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[chcknwng]

So wait, the derp answer is get the Arsenal Pack? Because I'm gonna go on a spending spree in about another 10 mill more of saving. To which I'll post my results here is a pretty detailed fashion.

 
 

Yes. AP's have shown to yield more ultra rares.

As far as we can tell, all packs have the same per slot drop rate.
This leads to SPs having a higher average cost per UR drop than PSPs, APs and RPs since a potential UR drop from a SP costs 60k credits while a potential drop from a PSP, AP or RP costs 49.5k credits

According to the data, AP has the same drop rate as RP and PSP.

[chcknwng]

It's all a bunch of theory crafting nerds

I just came from a conference of theocrafting nerds. I still got dem nerdness on me.

[ComradeShepard7]

The document with all the results and analysis is available once again as is the zip folder with the data spreadsheet and MATLAB scripts.

[Evil]

I just bought some AP's.
 
The first 2 were empty.
1 with a single UR.
2 empty.
1 with a single UR.
5 empty.
1 with a single UR.
10 empty.
1 with a single UR.
The last 9 were empty.
 
32 AP's, 4 UR's, 0 doubles.

[ComradeShepard7]

 

I just bought some AP's.

 

The first 12 were empty.

1 with a single UR.

2 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

2 with a single UR.

The last 5 were empty.

 

24 AP's, 4 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

I bought a SP with the change, no UR.

 

EDIT 07/05/14 to avoid double-posting.

 

I just bought some SP's.

 

The first 7 were empty.

2 with a UR.

The last 22 were empty. 

 

31 SP's, 2 UR's.

 

 

EDIT 11/05/14 to avoid triple-posting.

 

I just bought 20 SP's, they were all empty.

 

I switched to APs next.

 

The first 1 was empty.

2 with a single UR.

The last 8 were empty.

 

11 AP's, 2 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

 

 

 

I just bought two AP's.

 

The first was a double UR!  My first since I started keeping records I believe.

The second was empty.

 

2 AP's, 2 UR's, 1 double.

 

I switched to SP's next to replen my shame-gels.

 

The first 11 were empty.

1 with a UR.

13 empty.

1 with a UR.

The last 5 were empty.

 

31 SP's, 2 UR's.

 

 

 

I just bought some AP's.
 
The first 2 were empty.
1 with a single UR.
2 empty.
1 with a single UR.
5 empty.
1 with a single UR.
10 empty.
1 with a single UR.
The last 9 were empty.
 
32 AP's, 4 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

Thanks for the data. I still haven't reinstalled MATLAB so it will be a while longer till I update the document.

[Evil]

I just bought 20 SP's, and they were all ******* empty.  That's twice that's happened this month!     
 
I switched to APs next.

The first 7 were empty.
1 with a single UR.
3 empty.
1 with a single UR.
The last 4 were empty.

16 AP's, 2 UR's, 0 doubles.

[Sirzechs_Krios]

EH AP is a waste for me i get better stuff from RP and PSP

[Terminator Force]

K, I had a total of something like 63010000 - 6 Jumbo Packs the store trolled me into buying because I so used to buying those since that was all I bought for the longest time. So 63010000 - 19800 = 62990200 is roughly what I spent only on only Arsenal Packs. All I got left now is 39704 cash lest after that spending spree. Here are the levels my weapons gained;

 

05+04=09 Valkyrie

03+02=05 Geth Spitfire

04=06=10 Saber

03+05=08 Particle Rifle

04+06=10 Lancer

03+07=10 Typhoon

04+05=09  Harrier

04+01=05 Talon

04+01=05 Scorpion

04+03=07 Paladin

06+04=10 Eagle

05+04=09 Wraith

03+07=10 Venom Shotgun

02+01=03 Crusader

04+04=08 Hurricane

05+01=06 Collector SMG

03+05=08 lood Pack Punisher

05+05=10 Valiant

07+03=10 Javelin

03+05=08 Indra

03+07=10 Black Widow

 

My N7 HQ stats as of now are;

 

Time - 1119H 2M 42S

Games Played - 2697

Current Credits - 39704

N7 - 1980 (#18049, Top 2%)

Challenge Points - 53010 (#695, Top 1%)

 

 

 

I'll let you guys figure out the math, but after doing all that yesterday before bedtime (took way longer then I thought), this morning I want to finally play for the first time with my newly upgraded weapons, starting with the Lancer X!  Hope this data helps others. This topic here sure helped me, as I've never had such excellent drop rates as this ever before. I'm very happy with the results. Only regret is my Geth Spitfire not gaining some healthy levels, as that was my second weapon after the Lancer I wanted leveled up (Lancer was my first to max out. Wonder if playing with only that for the two days prior to the spending spree did something? As I recall this happening twice before too. ie. Revenant was my most played in the past and first Rare maxed. Then the Lancer jumping to lvl. 4). Oh well, guess the technically superior Typhoon kind of makes up for it to tide me over?

 

 

Also wondering it total time played affects drop rates? Or the amount of Jumbo packs I've been only buying for the longest time?

[Evil]

I just bought some SPs.

The first 1 was empty.
1 with a UR.
2 empty.
1 with a UR.

3 empty.

1 with a UR.

6 empty.

3 with a UR.

The last 9 were empty.

27 SP's, 6 UR's.

I switched to APs next.

The first 9 were empty.
1 with a single UR.
The last 2 were empty.

12 AP's, 1 UR's, 0 doubles.

[ChrisLupton]

50 Reserve Packs netted me 8 URs, no doubles.

[Evil]

I just bought some APs

 

The first 3 had a single UR.

6 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

1 with a single UR.

The last 3 were empty.

15 AP's, 5 UR's, 0 doubles.

I switched to SPs next.

 

The first 1 was empty.

1 with a UR.

The last 29 were empty.

 

31 SP's, 1 UR.

 

EDIT 20/06/14 to avoid double posting.

 

I just bought some APs

 

The first 10 were empty.

1 with a single UR.

5 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

1 with a single UR.

3 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

1 with a single UR.

The last 7 were empty.

 

32 AP's, 5 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

I bought 8 SP's next, they were all empty

 

8 SP's, 0 UR.

 

 

 

EDIT 24/06/14 to avoid triple posting.

 

I just bought some SPs

 

The first 12 were empty.

1 with a UR.

The last 7 were empty.

 

20 SP's, 1 UR.

 

 

I bought some APs too.

 

The first 10 were empty.

2 with a single UR.

The last 10 were empty.

 

22 AP's, 2 UR's, 0 doubles.

[ComradeShepard7]

I just bought 20 SP's, and they were all ******* empty.  That's twice that's happened this month!     
 
I switched to APs next.

The first 7 were empty.
1 with a single UR.
3 empty.
1 with a single UR.
The last 4 were empty.

16 AP's, 2 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

 

I just bought some SPs.

The first 1 was empty.
1 with a UR.
2 empty.
1 with a UR.

3 empty.

1 with a UR.

6 empty.

3 with a UR.

The last 9 were empty.

27 SP's, 6 UR's.

I switched to APs next.

The first 9 were empty.
1 with a single UR.
The last 2 were empty.

12 AP's, 1 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

 

50 Reserve Packs netted me 8 URs, no doubles.

 

 

 

I just bought some APs

 

The first 3 had a single UR.

6 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

1 with a single UR.

The last 3 were empty.

15 AP's, 5 UR's, 0 doubles.

I switched to SPs next.

 

The first 1 was empty.

1 with a UR.

The last 29 were empty.

 

31 SP's, 1 UR.

 

EDIT 20/06/14 to avoid double posting.

 

I just bought some APs

 

The first 10 were empty.

1 with a single UR.

5 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

1 with a single UR.

3 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

1 with a single UR.

The last 7 were empty.

 

32 AP's, 5 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

I bought 8 SP's next, they were all empty

 

8 SP's, 0 UR.

 

 

 

EDIT 24/06/14 to avoid triple posting.

 

I just bought some SPs

 

The first 12 were empty.

1 with a UR.

The last 7 were empty.

 

20 SP's, 1 UR.

 

 

I bought some APs too.

 

The first 10 were empty.

2 with a single UR.

The last 10 were empty.

 

22 AP's, 2 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

 

Thanks for the data. I still haven't gotten around to reinstalling MATLAB so no updates yet.

[ComradeShepard7]

K, I had a total of something like 63010000 - 6 Jumbo Packs the store trolled me into buying because I so used to buying those since that was all I bought for the longest time. So 63010000 - 19800 = 62990200 is roughly what I spent only on only Arsenal Packs. All I got left now is 39704 cash lest after that spending spree. Here are the levels my weapons gained;

 

05+04=09 Valkyrie

03+02=05 Geth Spitfire

04=06=10 Saber

03+05=08 Particle Rifle

04+06=10 Lancer

03+07=10 Typhoon

04+05=09  Harrier

04+01=05 Talon

04+01=05 Scorpion

04+03=07 Paladin

06+04=10 Eagle

05+04=09 Wraith

03+07=10 Venom Shotgun

02+01=03 Crusader

04+04=08 Hurricane

05+01=06 Collector SMG

03+05=08 lood Pack Punisher

05+05=10 Valiant

07+03=10 Javelin

03+05=08 Indra

03+07=10 Black Widow

 

My N7 HQ stats as of now are;

 

Time - 1119H 2M 42S

Games Played - 2697

Current Credits - 39704

N7 - 1980 (#18049, Top 2%)

Challenge Points - 53010 (#695, Top 1%)

 

 

 

I'll let you guys figure out the math, but after doing all that yesterday before bedtime (took way longer then I thought), this morning I want to finally play for the first time with my newly upgraded weapons, starting with the Lancer X!  Hope this data helps others. This topic here sure helped me, as I've never had such excellent drop rates as this ever before. I'm very happy with the results. Only regret is my Geth Spitfire not gaining some healthy levels, as that was my second weapon after the Lancer I wanted leveled up (Lancer was my first to max out. Wonder if playing with only that for the two days prior to the spending spree did something? As I recall this happening twice before too. ie. Revenant was my most played in the past and first Rare maxed. Then the Lancer jumping to lvl. 4). Oh well, guess the technically superior Typhoon kind of makes up for it to tide me over?

 

 

Also wondering it total time played affects drop rates? Or the amount of Jumbo packs I've been only buying for the longest time?

 

While I appreciate your effort, I haven't included "something like ____ number of packs" estimates in the past and I won't be making an exception now. As for changing drop rates with X variable, the estimated drop rates have remained very stable throughout this project so I don't see any reason to think they change. Plus, having changing drop rates would introduce unnecessary complexity into the implementation of the MP store.

[Evil]

I just bought some SPs
 

The first 6 were empty.

1 with a UR.

26 empty.

1UR.

The last 2 were empty.

 

36 SP's, 2 UR's.

 

I switched to APs next.
 
The first 3 were empty.

1 with a single UR.

4 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

1 with a single UR.

The last 2 were empty.

 

14 AP's, 3 UR's, 0 doubles.

[JRandall0308]

Bought a lot of Reserves Packs, dating back to before you reached the sample size goal. But I figure more data never hurts.

 

Summary: 103 Reserves Packs, 20 Ultra-Rares (no doubles)

 

The actual pack buying looked like this:

10 RPs, 2 URs

15 RPs, 4 URs

10 RPs, 0 URs

10 RPs, 1 UR

8 RPs, 2 URs

50 RPs, 11 URs

 

In case anyone cares, in that 50 RP spending spree, the longest I went in between URs was 8 packs, and the shortest was 0 packs. In fact in a 5 pack span, 4 of them had URs; and extending that to a 10 pack span, 6 of them had URs.

 

[Terminator Force]

While I appreciate your effort, I haven't included "something like ____ number of packs" estimates in the past and I won't be making an exception now. As for changing drop rates with X variable, the estimated drop rates have remained very stable throughout this project so I don't see any reason to think they change. Plus, having changing drop rates would introduce unnecessary complexity into the implementation of the MP store.

 

Well, if there is changing drop rates based on playtime or whatever other individual person manifest matters, then there is nothing you can do about it.

 

But I still have to add that the way I finished my manifest was very strange. It really felt like the game was feed up with how many hours I had in and no max manifest and it was just giving them away to me at an extremely high drop rate. As in it felt like every other package was an UR + the last two packs I bought were back to back double URs too, to boot!
 

But most folks get to getting their manifest maxed way, way sooner then me, so this topic would still make sense. That and I'm very thankful this topic pointed me toward Arsenal Packs.

[Evil]

I just bought some APs

The first 1 had a single UR.
9 empty.
1 with a single UR
The last 2 were empty.
 
13 AP's, 2 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

I switched to SPs next.
 
The first 11 were empty.
1 with a UR.
8 empty.
1 with a UR.
1 empty.
1 with a single UR.
The last 1 was empty.
 
24 SP's, 3 UR's.

[GrumpyBadger117]

hey all,

thought I'd add to this since I started playing multiplayer.

I've only bought
1 - USP
1 - Reserve Pack.  

The rest have been recruit packs and veteran packs (too many to count).  I've only been playing multiplayer for about 2 days now.

1) I got my Sentinel Turian (today, in a recruit pack of all things I think) - only character I really wanted
2) got a Widow (I do snipe) in a veteran pack
3) got the Eagle and Raptor in my first veteran pack yesterday!

4) I got the Paladin pistol from a basic Spectre Pack

5) in my Reserve Pack I got:
Quarian Engineer
Quarian Infiltrator
Salarian Infiltrator
Salarian Engineer
 - 4 characters, all either uncommon or rare... not bad right?

In my USP - I got a Drell Adept... and the Graal Spike Thrower  
The rest of that pack came with consumables and some upgrades

The rest has been weapons, nothing fancy.
 

I find it hilarious I got the Raptor and Eagle out the get-go.  Those combined with now having the Widow, Mantis, and Viper, and Paladin and level VI Predator, I feel "alright" ...ish

still can't seem to really get past Silver even easily though.  And I built my Sentinels and Soldiers as tanks basically.  I'm having a rough time making money.

[Evil]

I just bought 8 APs, they were all empty.
8 AP's, 0 UR's, 0 doubles.
 
I switched to SPs next.
 
The first 31 were empty.
The last 1 had a UR.
 
32 SP's, 1 UR.

That's a 2% drop rate, as opposed to the 7% average.

*sigh*, I'm getting real tired of your **** troll store.

[ComradeShepard7]

 

I just bought some SPs
 

The first 6 were empty.

1 with a UR.

26 empty.

1UR.

The last 2 were empty.

 

36 SP's, 2 UR's.

 

I switched to APs next.
 
The first 3 were empty.

1 with a single UR.

4 empty.

1 with a single UR.

1 empty.

1 with a single UR.

The last 2 were empty.

 

14 AP's, 3 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

 

 

Bought a lot of Reserves Packs, dating back to before you reached the sample size goal. But I figure more data never hurts.

 

Summary: 103 Reserves Packs, 20 Ultra-Rares (no doubles)

 

The actual pack buying looked like this:

10 RPs, 2 URs

15 RPs, 4 URs

10 RPs, 0 URs

10 RPs, 1 UR

8 RPs, 2 URs

50 RPs, 11 URs

 

In case anyone cares, in that 50 RP spending spree, the longest I went in between URs was 8 packs, and the shortest was 0 packs. In fact in a 5 pack span, 4 of them had URs; and extending that to a 10 pack span, 6 of them had URs.

 

 

I just bought some APs

The first 1 had a single UR.
9 empty.
1 with a single UR
The last 2 were empty.
 
13 AP's, 2 UR's, 0 doubles.

 

I switched to SPs next.
 
The first 11 were empty.
1 with a UR.
8 empty.
1 with a UR.
1 empty.
1 with a single UR.
The last 1 was empty.
 
24 SP's, 3 UR's.

 

 

I just bought 8 APs, they were all empty.
8 AP's, 0 UR's, 0 doubles.
 
I switched to SPs next.
 
The first 31 were empty.
The last 1 had a UR.
 
32 SP's, 1 UR.

That's a 2% drop rate, as opposed to the 7% average.

*sigh*, I'm getting real tired of your **** troll store.

 

Thanks for the data. I've been super busy over the last few months so I still haven't gotten around to updating the drop rates but I should be able to do that soonish.

[ComradeShepard7]

hey all,

thought I'd add to this since I started playing multiplayer.

I've only bought
1 - USP
1 - Reserve Pack.  

The rest have been recruit packs and veteran packs (too many to count).  I've only been playing multiplayer for about 2 days now.

1) I got my Sentinel Turian (today, in a recruit pack of all things I think) - only character I really wanted
2) got a Widow (I do snipe) in a veteran pack
3) got the Eagle and Raptor in my first veteran pack yesterday!

4) I got the Paladin pistol from a basic Spectre Pack

5) in my Reserve Pack I got:
Quarian Engineer
Quarian Infiltrator
Salarian Infiltrator
Salarian Engineer
 - 4 characters, all either uncommon or rare... not bad right?

In my USP - I got a Drell Adept... and the Graal Spike Thrower  
The rest of that pack came with consumables and some upgrades

The rest has been weapons, nothing fancy.
 

I find it hilarious I got the Raptor and Eagle out the get-go.  Those combined with now having the Widow, Mantis, and Viper, and Paladin and level VI Predator, I feel "alright" ...ish

still can't seem to really get past Silver even easily though.  And I built my Sentinels and Soldiers as tanks basically.  I'm having a rough time making money.

 

If you want to move up in difficulty a bit earlier than normal there are plenty of people around here who are willing to give new players a hand.

[Sopec]

My last 2 million credits.
5 AP then 5 RP then 10 PSP
= 0 UR

[Evil]

Holy ****!  

I just maxed my manifest, getting EIGHT UR's with just 2.6 million!  
 

I started off buying AP's

 

The first 4 were empty.

2 had a single UR.
5 empty.
1 with a single UR

2 empty.

2 with a single UR

5 empty.

1 with a single UR

The last 1 was empty.
 
23 AP's, 6 UR's, 0 doubles.
 
I switched to SPs next.
 
The first 1 was empty.
1 with a UR.
3 empty.
The last 1 had a single UR.
 
6 SP's, 2 UR's.

[Barrogh]

Quick question: does "empty" mean "no ultra rare"? It's somewhat obvious, but asking just in case, my manifest is very fresh and I don't know how drops behave when you have more stuff (like, more items unlocked/maxed and such).

 

Just asking so that I can contribute next time I'll buy something.

 

If you want to move up in difficulty a bit earlier than normal there are plenty of people around here who are willing to give new players a hand.

 

Alternatively/additionally, you can pull that off using more power-oriented builds to be useful without having high-level items. Combo kits or something like acolyte+flamer works well on gold without much investment, just level up your character beforehand, obviously.