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Mass effect 3 was the best, hands down.
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 05:17
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Honestly, the only good thing about ME2 and ME1 was the story and how choices actually mattered (and miranda's bubblebutt). ME2 and 1 gameplay was extremely boring and repetitive (especially those missions when you launch down onto planets). edited: removed inflammatory content ~Mod05
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 05:32
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Because...I enjoyed them more?
Well to be honest, I love the first Mass Effect for nostalgia but I'm perfectly willing to admit its a piece of **** to play. ME2 though? The only thing ME3 has on that is smoother gameplay, but I'd rather play ME 2 over it any day of the week.
Its just enjoyable to play. And doesn't leave me with a lack of satisfaction.
Well to be honest, I love the first Mass Effect for nostalgia but I'm perfectly willing to admit its a piece of **** to play. ME2 though? The only thing ME3 has on that is smoother gameplay, but I'd rather play ME 2 over it any day of the week.
Its just enjoyable to play. And doesn't leave me with a lack of satisfaction.
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 06:55
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I agree with the OP's title.
The content of his thread, not so much...
The content of his thread, not so much...
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 08:27
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I agree. If I had played Mass Effect before Mass Effect 2 and 3. I would have wrote the whole series off as crap. I really enjoyed Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 3 has the best gameplay by far however and a kick ass multiplayer mode.
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 08:47
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The one thing aside from gameplay that ME3 did better than 1 and 2 are the side missions. In 2 and 1 it just felt kind of way more monotonous than in 3. I enjoyed the stories behind those side missions more in 3.
But come on, I couldn't say that one was better then the other, all had it's own advantages, I enjoyed every game for it's own reasons just as much as the other.
Let's just be diplomatic here
But come on, I couldn't say that one was better then the other, all had it's own advantages, I enjoyed every game for it's own reasons just as much as the other.
Let's just be diplomatic here
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 12:46
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Yeah your right, the only thing better about ME1 and ME2 was the story, voluminous dialogue trees, immersion etc. And as we know, story isn't really important for an rpg is it... /sarcasm
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 12:49
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Rosstoration wrote...
Yeah your right, the only thing better about ME1 and ME2 was the story, voluminous dialogue trees, immersion etc. And as we know, story isn't really important for an rpg is it... /sarcasm
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 01:18
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You know, it probably was. It had the best gameplay for a start, including good use of RPG elements that Mass Effect 1 overdid and Mass Effect 2 forgot existed. That weight system was a god-send.
Also, it almost equaled Mass Effect 1 in terms of story. It had some excellent payoff to several of the big story arcs, strong development of old characters and handling of new characters, and side missions that connected nicely to the overarching plot. Also, it was possibly the first Mass Effect game to acknowledge that there are emotions beyond self-righteous piety and impotent anger, that being Renegade can mean being more than a smug moron, and that there is more to homosexuality than blue women shagging.
Also, it almost equaled Mass Effect 1 in terms of story. It had some excellent payoff to several of the big story arcs, strong development of old characters and handling of new characters, and side missions that connected nicely to the overarching plot. Also, it was possibly the first Mass Effect game to acknowledge that there are emotions beyond self-righteous piety and impotent anger, that being Renegade can mean being more than a smug moron, and that there is more to homosexuality than blue women shagging.
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 01:24
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The only thing Mass Effect 3 had over the first two was the gameplay, but other than that it's dead last in all the other categories, and sorry but the combat isn't the most important aspect in Mass Effect.
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 01:30
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Kataphrut94 wrote...
You know, it probably was. It had the best gameplay for a start, including good use of RPG elements that Mass Effect 1 overdid and Mass Effect 2 forgot existed. That weight system was a god-send.
Also, it almost equaled Mass Effect 1 in terms of story. It had some excellent payoff to several of the big story arcs, strong development of old characters and handling of new characters, and side missions that connected nicely to the overarching plot. Also, it was possibly the first Mass Effect game to acknowledge that there are emotions beyond self-righteous piety and impotent anger, that being Renegade can mean being more than a smug moron, and that there is more to homosexuality than blue women shagging.
I like how you started your post with "you know.. it probably was", like it was something you actually pondered and thought about.
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 01:34
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StreetMagic wrote...
Kataphrut94 wrote...
You know, it probably was. It had the best gameplay for a start, including good use of RPG elements that Mass Effect 1 overdid and Mass Effect 2 forgot existed. That weight system was a god-send.
Also, it almost equaled Mass Effect 1 in terms of story. It had some excellent payoff to several of the big story arcs, strong development of old characters and handling of new characters, and side missions that connected nicely to the overarching plot. Also, it was possibly the first Mass Effect game to acknowledge that there are emotions beyond self-righteous piety and impotent anger, that being Renegade can mean being more than a smug moron, and that there is more to homosexuality than blue women shagging.
I like how you started your post with "you know.. it probably was", like it was something you actually pondered and thought about.
Who's to say I didn't? I mean, they've all got their ups and downs, but at the end of the day, I figured Mass Effect 3 was the best at what it did. It's certainly the one I most look forward to playing out of the three.
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 01:43
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Who's to say I didn't? I mean, they've all got their ups and downs, but at the end of the day, I figured Mass Effect 3 was the best at what it did. It's certainly the one I most look forward to playing out of the three.
I have nothing against the opinion. It's just that you seem like pretty consistent supporter of ME3 already. So I don't know why you phrased your post in that way.
I might agree though that it was "best at what it did".. I just don't like what that is. The parts I like is when it stops being that occassionally (I guess it'd take too long to get into all of these instances though).
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Posté 20 septembre 2013 - 01:45
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I tend to think of them as one big story, having played through the whole trilogy twice now and ME1 & 2 thrice.
ME1's story was so intriguing and full of promise, but by my 3rd run it already felt dated and ungainly. ME3 I would absolutely agree with you in terms of its replayability. I could play it over and over again, and that's after spending nearly 600 hours in multiplayer. But that's really just because the action is so dynamic. There are certainly wonderful moments in the game, but it's the combat and variety of playstyles that keeps me hooked.
Best game though? I think ME2 takes it. The loyalty missions and the final mission draw me in to not just Shepard's story but ALL of the squadmates' stories to where I am totally invested in them. The only other game that has done that for me is Red Dead Redemption.
ME1's story was so intriguing and full of promise, but by my 3rd run it already felt dated and ungainly. ME3 I would absolutely agree with you in terms of its replayability. I could play it over and over again, and that's after spending nearly 600 hours in multiplayer. But that's really just because the action is so dynamic. There are certainly wonderful moments in the game, but it's the combat and variety of playstyles that keeps me hooked.
Best game though? I think ME2 takes it. The loyalty missions and the final mission draw me in to not just Shepard's story but ALL of the squadmates' stories to where I am totally invested in them. The only other game that has done that for me is Red Dead Redemption.
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 12:11
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At the end of the day, it's gameplay that takes the lead as the most important thing. Gameplay is provides the entertainment and promotes replay value. Sure the story is important (especially in a RPG) but if I'm playing and the gameplay is so boring it becomes a chore to play, I might as well read a book. A video game is a piece of entertainment. Mass effect 1 & 2 had excellent stories and good characters, but fell short on the gameplay, and became unbelieveably boring. Mass effect 3 had a crap story, yeah but was it boring because of the story? no.
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 12:21
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For me, personally, the only thing ME3 has going for it is multiplayer. If it was easier to play, it was because you could just kick your brain out into the nearest bin.
For me, ME1 is the best - hands down. Yeah, gameplay is a bit twitchy (and it's actually more difficult; requires more tactics). ME2 was fun too, but ME1 just had atmospheres and scenes that can't be re-captured.
ME1's story is better too. ME3 is just contrived - all the way. And they failed where it could have been so much more.
That said; I respect the opinions on here and it's been an enjoyable read!
For me, ME1 is the best - hands down. Yeah, gameplay is a bit twitchy (and it's actually more difficult; requires more tactics). ME2 was fun too, but ME1 just had atmospheres and scenes that can't be re-captured.
ME1's story is better too. ME3 is just contrived - all the way. And they failed where it could have been so much more.
That said; I respect the opinions on here and it's been an enjoyable read!
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 12:26
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In a narrative based rpg, the narrative is very important.
ME3's narrative, not so good.
ME3's narrative, not so good.
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 02:10
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mass effect 1 was THE best out of the 3. you had the best UI and best variety of skills and items. Also ME1 had variety of quests and activities from mini games (which only added on ME3: Citadel), through the arena on pinnacle station and open world exploration.
from ME2 and onward they dumbed it down to a shooter game where in the third game you don't even need to use dialogs just cancel them on options menu, fail.
from ME2 and onward they dumbed it down to a shooter game where in the third game you don't even need to use dialogs just cancel them on options menu, fail.
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 02:57
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Anarchy__ wrote...
At the end of the day, it's gameplay that takes the lead as the most important thing. Gameplay is provides the entertainment and promotes replay value. Sure the story is important (especially in a RPG) but if I'm playing and the gameplay is so boring it becomes a chore to play, I might as well read a book. A video game is a piece of entertainment. Mass effect 1 & 2 had excellent stories and good characters, but fell short on the gameplay, and became unbelieveably boring. Mass effect 3 had a crap story, yeah but was it boring because of the story? no.
Part of me wants to point out the flaws in this statement. The other part of me knows that I'm just going to be met with "that's just your opinion!" type posts.
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 03:00
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Googleness wrote...
mass effect 1 was THE best out of the 3. you had the best UI and best variety of skills and items. Also ME1 had variety of quests and activities from mini games (which only added on ME3: Citadel), through the arena on pinnacle station and open world exploration.
from ME2 and onward they dumbed it down to a shooter game where in the third game you don't even need to use dialogs just cancel them on options menu, fail.
As much as I do like ME1, saying that it had the best UI or variety of skills and items is a flat-out lie. A hundred or so weapons that literall all did the same thing, just at different numerical values. They even had the same firing sound. As far as mini games go, I highly doubt you say down and played Quasar for hours, or bothered to do all the stages on Pinnacle Station more than a few times. Never mind that each uncharted planet that involved the Mako was literally copy and pasted from the last one, only given a retexture.
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 07:08
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Personally I found the first game to be the best and the combat was a part of that.
I liked that stats played as big a part in the gunplay as my ability to place a crosshair. I liked having separate cool-downs for my abilities. I liked being able to use any type of ammo no matter my class. I liked being able to run without the risk of flinging limpet like to an exposed wall.
Mass Effect 2 is next on my list. I didn't like most of the changes to the combat but I did like the introduction of interrupts to the conversations and it has my favourite part of the trilogy in Tali's loyalty mission.
The third game I want to like because it is the end of Shepard's story but it just feels...wrong for want of a better term.
It feels as if the story was an inconvenience, something put out in the way of all the 'awesome pew-pew' action.
There are some great moments in the game but I feel as if I have to go through too much dross to reach them.
Dragon Age II did a very similar thing as Mass Effect. It hid the dice roll behind the vaneer of a hack and slash. Mass Effect hid it behind the veneer of a shooter.
Personally I liked the weapon stats. I genuinely enjoy that sort of thing, trying to decide if the increase in damage is worth the loss of accuracy. The same for the armours, I liked the stats far more than in the two follow-ups, where they didn't seem to make any difference and so I just went for the best cosmetic look.
I liked that stats played as big a part in the gunplay as my ability to place a crosshair. I liked having separate cool-downs for my abilities. I liked being able to use any type of ammo no matter my class. I liked being able to run without the risk of flinging limpet like to an exposed wall.
Mass Effect 2 is next on my list. I didn't like most of the changes to the combat but I did like the introduction of interrupts to the conversations and it has my favourite part of the trilogy in Tali's loyalty mission.
The third game I want to like because it is the end of Shepard's story but it just feels...wrong for want of a better term.
It feels as if the story was an inconvenience, something put out in the way of all the 'awesome pew-pew' action.
There are some great moments in the game but I feel as if I have to go through too much dross to reach them.
I think a lot of it depends on how you expected Mass Effect to play. Go in expecting a shooter and you would likely be disappointed but go in expecting a dice-roll game and you are going to think far more favourably.o Ventus wrote...
As much as I do like ME1, saying that it had the best UI or variety of skills and items is a flat-out lie. A hundred or so weapons that literall all did the same thing, just at different numerical values. They even had the same firing sound. As far as mini games go, I highly doubt you say down and played Quasar for hours, or bothered to do all the stages on Pinnacle Station more than a few times. Never mind that each uncharted planet that involved the Mako was literally copy and pasted from the last one, only given a retexture.
Dragon Age II did a very similar thing as Mass Effect. It hid the dice roll behind the vaneer of a hack and slash. Mass Effect hid it behind the veneer of a shooter.
Personally I liked the weapon stats. I genuinely enjoy that sort of thing, trying to decide if the increase in damage is worth the loss of accuracy. The same for the armours, I liked the stats far more than in the two follow-ups, where they didn't seem to make any difference and so I just went for the best cosmetic look.
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 07:51
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Mass effect 1 was remarkable in 2007 when it was released. It is my favourite because it introduced me to the mass effect universe.
Mass effect 2 was also my favourite because of Shepard, her crew and the improved combat. Plus it took a couple of runs to lose the trepidation I felt at screwing something up in the final mission.
I also liked being an outcast from the alliance.
Mass effect 3 is my favourite because.... let me see. My crew and the combat no other reason. I would have probably liked it more despite the plot, if the Shepard that I played in mass effect 1 & 2 had made it into me3.
My neutral Shepard also, who I liked to think of as an average person could not finish mass effect 3. Being in the no spoiler section I'll leave it at that.
So no I cannot agree with the op
Mass effect 2 was also my favourite because of Shepard, her crew and the improved combat. Plus it took a couple of runs to lose the trepidation I felt at screwing something up in the final mission.
I also liked being an outcast from the alliance.
Mass effect 3 is my favourite because.... let me see. My crew and the combat no other reason. I would have probably liked it more despite the plot, if the Shepard that I played in mass effect 1 & 2 had made it into me3.
My neutral Shepard also, who I liked to think of as an average person could not finish mass effect 3. Being in the no spoiler section I'll leave it at that.
So no I cannot agree with the op
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 05:35
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AcidwireX wrote...
Because...I enjoyed them more?
Well to be honest, I love the first Mass Effect for nostalgia but I'm perfectly willing to admit its a piece of **** to play. ME2 though? The only thing ME3 has on that is smoother gameplay, but I'd rather play ME 2 over it any day of the week.
Its just enjoyable to play. And doesn't leave me with a lack of satisfaction.
indeed - but even that is ruined now (at least for me!) because after it comes ME3, except if you just refuse to go on (i recently tried playing ME1 and 2 again...everytime i had to stop after a couple of missions because i just couldn't play anymore...playing reminded me of ME3 and that made me so said, i wanted to cry (or hit someone - preverably the one that was resposible for that mess!)...so i put the games back into their covers and put them back on the shelf!)
greetings LAX
ps: ME3 is just crap (story, ending, linearity etc.) with smoth gameplay (and even that had its hiccups: like the "one button does all" -.- so bad
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 06:32
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 07:18
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I'll give ME3 the best moment of the entire trilogy (Tuchanka), pity the low points more than outweighed that. Still, thanks to multiplayer I've probably spent more time playing it than the others.
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Posté 21 septembre 2013 - 07:49
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ME1 had the best story of the series, IMO. It was a 1980s sci-fi story. Explore the galaxy. Explore worlds. Find stuff. Horrible inventory system. Great journal. Go where no human has gone before. Bring Down the Sky, very good DLC. Pinnacle Station? Okay. 8.9
2? The plot (?) was contrived, but the game play was smoothed out, but being forced to work with Cerberus felt out of place. Being killed in the beginning felt out of place. There really was no advancement. Yet it was fun to play, cheesy, early 1990s action movie style, and a lot of adrenaline. Kick ass, take names, and have fun. Overlord? Very good. LotSB? Excellent. Firewalker? Not so good. Arrival? Okay. 9.0
3? Definitely a 2010 style sci-fi story. The gameplay is slick and smooth. Journal is the worst of the three. Sidequests are the worst of the three. The really deep moments such as retrieving the Pillars of Strength, and the Rings of Alune were just moving. The actors return for one more run. It's dark, dreary, and shows the hero breaking down. Where did the dialogue tree go? The ending is a complete trainwreck where the writers tried to get artsy with it to cover up the fact that they'd written themselves into a corner and couldn't end it with anything other than a push button superweapon, and so decided to get mystical to cover up that fact. DLC: Leviathan? No opinion. Omega: very good. Citadel: Excellent Multiplayer: Very Good. 7.0
2? The plot (?) was contrived, but the game play was smoothed out, but being forced to work with Cerberus felt out of place. Being killed in the beginning felt out of place. There really was no advancement. Yet it was fun to play, cheesy, early 1990s action movie style, and a lot of adrenaline. Kick ass, take names, and have fun. Overlord? Very good. LotSB? Excellent. Firewalker? Not so good. Arrival? Okay. 9.0
3? Definitely a 2010 style sci-fi story. The gameplay is slick and smooth. Journal is the worst of the three. Sidequests are the worst of the three. The really deep moments such as retrieving the Pillars of Strength, and the Rings of Alune were just moving. The actors return for one more run. It's dark, dreary, and shows the hero breaking down. Where did the dialogue tree go? The ending is a complete trainwreck where the writers tried to get artsy with it to cover up the fact that they'd written themselves into a corner and couldn't end it with anything other than a push button superweapon, and so decided to get mystical to cover up that fact. DLC: Leviathan? No opinion. Omega: very good. Citadel: Excellent Multiplayer: Very Good. 7.0
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