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[Allan Schumacher]

I don't agree, Allan. If we're talking about a rating classification then most of what is considered 'mature' comes down to the balance of what's explorative and what's exploitative.

I wasn't talking about a rating classification anymore, but just what it means for content to be "mature." A lot of forms of entertainment are rated mature not because the content contained within is considered mature. A lot of movies that I feel have mature content are not rated R/M.

That's also why The Shawshank Redemption is less of a 'mature' movie than Pulp Fiction (a movie I also like).

Maybe whether or not content is mature is in fact a personal thing, then?

I consider Pulp Fiction to be a form of escapist entertainment (barring maybe the Tarantino soliloquy) . I consider Shawshank Redemption to be an example of interpretive storytelling. Both are high quality, entertaining movies, however.


Note that I am referring to the entirety of the movie. I picked those two simply because both depict scenes of male rape.

If you wanted to take video games, there's pretty much nothing that I would consider to be a more mature narrative (in large part because of the sheer quality of its writing) than Planescape: Torment.

But then, we'd have to try to define what the term "mature" means. And as you alluded to, it may be somewhat personal.

[Afro_Explosion]

It will be defined by having serious tones of subject matter that we see in the real world racism rape genocide poverty and so forth

[In Exile]

mx_keep13 wrote...

It will be defined by having serious tones of subject matter that we see in the real world racism rape genocide poverty and so forth

All of the things that already featured in DA:O and DA2, you mean?

[Plaintiff]

Megakoresh wrote...
I have posted later on saying this, as well as explaining my point in a more clear way. See, the point of a mature game is that only an adult mind can actually understand and relate to the plot and issues it presents (I hope you aren't talking about ratings). If a 7 year old kid can perfectly understand every problem and dilemma in a game (if they have that low a complexity) that means the game isn't mature enough.

You're making a lot of assumptions about children here. Do you actually know any children? Because I know a few, and they are smarter than you think. Writing stories for children is not any easier than writing stories for adults.

I would bet money that there's at least one seven year-old in the world who has played and perfectly understands The Witcher games.

Like I said in the previous post: Witcher 2 makes me think critically about what I am going to do. I sometimes spend minutes at the dialogue screen thinking of different reprecussions and moral issues that the choice will have. In Origins I didn't have to. I looked at the choice and I know what exactly will it entail, if it is moral or not, if it will be affected by any specific detail or not.

If I extrapolate, say, the Scoiatel vs Blue stripes situation. You are goign to make that choice based on a ton of stuff in the game (as well as the first game) that you will weight down and decide which side you'll want to pick. If I was to extrapolate this into Mass Effect 3 style of choice, then you'd have an obviously pre-determined "good", "bad" and perhaps neutral choice, all arguments for and against which will be layed out in front of you in the 5 minutes of gameplay precending that choice.

Just because you find Bioware's choices easy to moralise, doesn't mean anyone else does. You only have to glance at the Dragon Age or Mass Effect forums to see that there's a lot of debate about which choice is the "right" one.

[Afro_Explosion]

In Exile wrote...

mx_keep13 wrote...

It will be defined by having serious tones of subject matter that we see in the real world racism rape genocide poverty and so forth

All of the things that already featured in DA:O and DA2, you mean?

Yep pretty much doing what they are already doing

[Leoroc]

I could care less about the definition of mature. DA3 is dark fantasy, I want my content less Tolkien and more Game of Thrones. I doubt we will get to that level, but comments from devs make it sound like we are at least moving more towards that direction from previous games than away from it.