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[izmirtheastarach]

RickmanUK wrote...

Squallypo wrote...
this whole thing reminds me of tales of vesperia

Bah the Tales of Vesperia DLC isn't Anything like this.... Unless you Believe that your only going too be downloading something that's Already included in the game and using that file too "Unlock" that content...

Considering how big that the Day one DLC Appears too be this doe'snt appear too be the case.
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A very good point. That is stuff that was on the disc. The download for the launch day DLC is lik 500MB, clearly not just an unlock.

[squid5580]

So should we expect another DA:O fiasco with this day 1 DLC pack or did you not tie any achievements to it?

[RickmanUK]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Could some one please clarify the vehicles in ME 2. So the Hammerhead vehicle is DLC, will it be free? Is there a vehicle that comes with the game?

Thanks

From what i've seen there Appears too be no Driveable Vehicles.... Well other then the Normandy. There does appear to be a Dropship too get you from Space too Land.

[kregano]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Could some one please clarify the vehicles in ME 2. So the Hammerhead vehicle is DLC, will it be free? Is there a vehicle that comes with the game?

Thanks

No word on the price of the Hammerhead DLC, just that it'll come out sometime after release.

The game includes the Kodiak dropship to take you to N7 missions.

[Veen130]

What? The Hammerhead is DLC. Well thats great. Now I can't get the final squad member and the Vechile for uncharted worlds. Atleast with ME1 it was just 2 missions but these DLCs just seem to be too major to take out of the final game. For reasons I wont go into I don't have LIVE (not even silver) and so because of that it seems I can't get the complete game. The Hammerhead was announced months ago so I would assume that they finished it before it went gold so if thats true I don't see why it wont be in the final game.

[izmirtheastarach]

Veen130 wrote...

What? The Hammerhead is DLC. Well thats great. Now I can't get the final squad member and the Vechile for uncharted worlds. Atleast with ME1 it was just 2 missions but these DLCs just seem to be too major to take out of the final game. For reasons I wont go into I don't have LIVE (not even silver) and so because of that it seems I can't get the complete game. The Hammerhead was announced months ago so I would assume that they finished it before it went gold so if thats true I don't see why it wont be in the final game.

The Hammerhead was never announced. It sucks that you won't get access to the content, but you are still getting the full game.

[Litos456]

Veen130 wrote...

What? The Hammerhead is DLC. Well thats great. Now I can't get the final squad member and the Vechile for uncharted worlds. Atleast with ME1 it was just 2 missions but these DLCs just seem to be too major to take out of the final game. For reasons I wont go into I don't have LIVE (not even silver) and so because of that it seems I can't get the complete game. The Hammerhead was announced months ago so I would assume that they finished it before it went gold so if thats true I don't see why it wont be in the final game.

See they're only not releasing it in the core game becuase there's no enough space. It's apparently bloked with awesomeness on 2 DVDs.
That's why I'm saying it should be released for free, it's like, here's the rest of the game, sorry for the fuss but we didn't have enough space to plaster all this ownage into the retail core game.

[crimzontearz]

Malastare- wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

you are missing the point here, but okay

I don't think I am.  You said that "the hammerhead SHOULD BE AND MUST BE a part of the core game" as if your emotions generate truth.

This is your opinion of what the game should include.  Many people don't see vehicular exploration as a core game requirement (more of the opposite, really).  Furthermore, your belief seems to be based off the idea that the Hammerhead was finished and included in the game then removed to make DLC (evidenced by your quote: "so you saying we need to pay for something that was already done and 
decided to be taken away from the disk...").

Not only are you ignoring Bioware's statements that they don't do this, but it ignores the fact that the content is obviously not already finished (or it would be Day 1 DLC), proposes that your ideas of the story and style of the game are the correct ones, and assumes that Bioware has some sort of provider/client relationship with you right now.

Understand this: Your relationship with Bioware is very simple:  In a week, they are going to release a pair of DVDs. Either you buy them, or you don't.  Once you do that, they have zero requirement to provide you with anything more.  They didn't have to tell you that the Hammerhead even existed.  They certainly aren't required to give it to you, absolutely aren't required to give it to you for free, and your sense of entitlement would have to be herculean to believe that they have to fit it into the core game.  Now, Bioware is one of the great software makers, so they're actually goinig to give you the Hammerhead, and unless we're all reading things wrong, they're giving it to you for free. 

Be happy.

Be very, very happy.  I can guarantee you don't understand how much that bit of DLC cost Bioware.

you are just adding a party to the transaction but the result is conceptually the same

EA budgets ME2, they set 1000000$ for it, the 60$ pricetag of said game is supposed to be the return of investment from the buyers (us). within that budget Bioware creates the hammerhead, because of space reasons on the media chosen for the game they have to put it out on DLC....Bioware then charges people extra for it so they get the 60$ + an extra 10$ whereas it was all done on the budget that was supposed to be paid for with the original pricetag of the game.

me? I find that not so ethical....


you.....well that's another matter

if they 2 budgets were separate I would have ABSOLUTELY no problem with it (and I am gonna get it anyway so....)

[Litos456]

Oops, double post sorry

Modifié par Litos456, 19 janvier 2010 - 09:55 .

[Taiko Roshi]

kregano wrote...

Taiko Roshi wrote...

Could some one please clarify the vehicles in ME 2. So the Hammerhead vehicle is DLC, will it be free? Is there a vehicle that comes with the game?

Thanks

No word on the price of the Hammerhead DLC, just that it'll come out sometime after release.

The game includes the Kodiak dropship to take you to N7 missions.

Thank you. 

[Guaritor]

Technically, the normal law price for a game is $50/60. Then there's DLC, which is optional however recquired additional payment.

Now think of it this way: DLC is usually side missions and sometimes some new ideas such as weapons or gear made after the game release. Now think about the hammerhead. It's still one of the main features of ME, one way or another, whether the mako was bad or not. It was there since the beginning, so it isn't a new idea. Yes Bioware has the full right to do whatever they want with it but generally, is it normal? is it even nice? We all knew about it and were hoping to ride it around but instead we end up having to pay extra for something we've been aware of since a long time ago, and even knew almost all of it's concept.

I see no problem why they can't make some new missions and other things as DLC shorly after the game release that's NOT something that was announced or known about a long time ago. They'd still make that same money off it, hell, even if they had it already, but actually kept it secret, and it wasn't one of those Mass Effect only type features then it would still be fine in my eyes. They can make as many DLCs as they want, my only argument is that something that we waited for, knew about, were aware of, for a long time, and that is a successor to a distinctive core feature in the original game, shouldn't be sold for extra money.

It's like buying the game with guns and then buying a DLC for it that includes the ammo for the guns.

I know a lot of you are going to criticize me for this argument and it does seem far fetched (I'm kind of going over board actually ) but what I'm only trying to say is that they should make money off new and unannounced ideas, not something that should have been and sounds like it should have been in the core game.


Phew. I better gear up for the incoming face slaps.

Meh, i can't argue against that really. If you felt BW promised the new mako would be in the game and is now selling it, i can see your point of view... but i never saw it that way, i never expected it to be a part of the game as much as say... the Normandy, or the Citadel, and it didnt seem as integral as either of those two.  That comes down to differences of opinion though, and i don't think BW can really be expected to know every one of its fans opinions.

[Jerryk72]

Who said that the DLC is unavailable to Silver members?

As for Hammerhead, I'm guessing that the content pack is quite large just for the vehicle and it may have pushed some good content to the second disc. Which in turn would make us players swap discs more than just the couple times they are advertising.. There are reasons for everything. Bioware has a good track record for coming thru with things. For that they deserve our trust. The downside in some eyes is that they aligned with EA (aka the Evil Empire).

Modifié par Jerryk72, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:00 .

[Captainlnsano]

Could I get official confirmation from one of the moderators here about regular edition from Direct2Drive getting access?



These articles are saying EVERYONE gets access code @ release, but I asked Direct2Drive support, and they are telling me that only Digital Deluxe edition gets it. Conflicting stories!

[izmirtheastarach]

crimzontearz wrote...

if they 2 budgets were separate I would have ABSOLUTELY no problem with it (and I am gonna get it anyway so....)

Okay. Don't you think that this DLC offering is factored into their business plan? No matter how you look at it, they are two seperate budgets in that sense.

[izmirtheastarach]

Captainlnsano wrote...

Could I get official confirmation from one of the moderators here about regular edition from Direct2Drive getting access?

These articles are saying EVERYONE gets access code @ release, but I asked Direct2Drive support, and they are telling me that only Digital Deluxe edition gets it. Conflicting stories!

All new copies of game.

[Litos456]

Guaritor wrote...
Meh, i can't argue against that really. If you felt BW promised the new mako would be in the game and is now selling it, i can see your point of view... but i never saw it that way, i never expected it to be a part of the game as much as say... the Normandy, or the Citadel, and it didnt seem as integral as either of those two.  That comes down to differences of opinion though, and i don't think BW can really be expected to know every one of its fans opinions.

Yeah, I understand. But as you can see I've always seen the mako/hammerhead as a must be feature in ME games, in some form or another. That's why I was so upset when we all weren't sure if it existed.

[Veen130]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Veen130 wrote...

What? The Hammerhead is DLC. Well thats great. Now I can't get the final squad member and the Vechile for uncharted worlds. Atleast with ME1 it was just 2 missions but these DLCs just seem to be too major to take out of the final game. For reasons I wont go into I don't have LIVE (not even silver) and so because of that it seems I can't get the complete game. The Hammerhead was announced months ago so I would assume that they finished it before it went gold so if thats true I don't see why it wont be in the final game.

The Hammerhead was never announced. It sucks that you won't get access to the content, but you are still getting the full game.

Still, it seems like the Hammerhead is a huge thing to take out of the game and there will likly plenty of other minor content they could of taken out instead. In ME1 the Mako played a mojor role, you used it on every planet (Excluding Eden Prime and the Citidel) so it seems odd that it isn't included. Imagine if the Mako was also DLC in ME1, that would of made the game almost unplayable.

[Firespray38]

Sounds similar to Halo Waypoint, interesting.

[Paul Emil]

I'm assuming that the hammerhead pack is free content, yes? If so, brilliant! If not, I had better buy some Bioware points. Either way, gentlemen, we get more stuff! Why complain?! Be happy! We're almost guaranteed great post-release support!

[Yootje]

Good heaven, so much whining... it's a good thing the decision to release DLC is based on financial motivations and not the feedback in topics like this, because otherwise there would never be any DLC released ever.



Seriously, if you have the choice between 'as much ME2 as fits on 2 discs' and 'as much ME2 as fits on 2 discs + more free + more later on if you pay', why on Earth would you go for option A? Why not welcome every DLC with open arms? It's not as if they deliberately kept it out of the game just to spite gamers or make a few extra bucks. Yes, it's to encourage the sale of new games rather than used, but if they were really out to screw gamers, they wouldn't have bothered to make it a 2 disc game in the first place, would they?



Oh, and you do not have any 'right' to anything. This situation is not an 'ethical' debate. You get a very-probably-totally-awesome game, 2 discs full of it, for as much money as EA charges you - as much money as you pay for every other game (including the ones that suck). And if you pay more, you get more. Simple as that.

[TuramH]

I hope the Hammerhead DLC is released before I finish my first playthrough.



Other than that I like this setup.

[crimzontearz]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

if they 2 budgets were separate I would have ABSOLUTELY no problem with it (and I am gonna get it anyway so....)

Okay. Don't you think that this DLC offering is factored into their business plan? No matter how you look at it, they are two seperate budgets in that sense.

in this case I am unsure...they ran out of space, they were surely not planning on it

[izmirtheastarach]

Veen130 wrote...

Still, it seems like the Hammerhead is a huge thing to take out of the game and there will likly plenty of other minor content they could of taken out instead. In ME1 the Mako played a mojor role, you used it on every planet (Excluding Eden Prime and the Citidel) so it seems odd that it isn't included. Imagine if the Mako was also DLC in ME1, that would of made the game almost unplayable.

Very true. But in this case, all of the N7 missions are handcrafted. No big open spaces to drive around in doing nothing. So the Mako/Hammerhead isn't needed for those missions.

It will come with it's own missions, specifically designed for it.

[FreezaSama]

Yootje wrote...

Seriously, if you have the choice between 'as much ME2 as fits on 2 discs' and 'as much ME2 as fits on 2 discs + more free + more later on if you pay', why on Earth would you go for option A? Why not welcome every DLC with open arms? It's not as if they deliberately kept it out of the game just to spite gamers or make a few extra bucks. Yes, it's to encourage the sale of new games rather than used, but if they were really out to screw gamers, they wouldn't have bothered to make it a 2 disc game in the first place, would they?

I don't think there's anything wrong with DLC. It's just that in this particular case, it seems to be a matter of "too much, too soon". I know EA loves money, but come on. Can't they just be happy with my $59.99 at least for a few months? The purpose of DLC, financial motivations aside, is to increase the lifespan of a game. You don't need launch-day DLC, because no one is going to be tired of playing the game yet. I feel overwhelmed enough whenever I'm just starting a new RPG.

[izmirtheastarach]

crimzontearz wrote...

in this case I am unsure...they ran out of space, they were surely not planning on it

Okay. Keep in mind they didn't say they ran out of space. If they did, it was in a joking fashion. Not really a business answer. I'm sure the plan was set primarily by EA.