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[Kolos2]

I dont mind the entire concept of DLCs, i would buy quality extandent gameplay; But i do mind paying for "necessery"  gameplay content that should be there in the firstplace;

If thy charge for the Hammerhead (and thy will) its an obvious ripoff

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:50 .

[Lvl20DM]

I'll be interested how much content actually accompanies the Hammerhead DLC. Will it just be a bunch of N7 missions with an exploration feel? Missions where you need the Hammerhead to deal with enemy defenses? Lots of questions on this one. Also, I hope this comes soon after launch!

[Murmillos]

Kolos2 wrote...



I dont mind the entire concept of DLCs, i would buy quality extandent gameplay; But i do mind paying for "necessery" gameplay content that should be there in the firstplace;



If thy charge for the Hammerhead (and thy will) its an obvious ripoff

****ing seriously read the first post. In its entirety.

[VonStrangle]

Oh-ho, I see. After another read, I'm satisfied.

Sucks to be a pirate, I suppose.

Modifié par VonStrangle, 19 janvier 2010 - 10:57 .

[bjdbwea]

Let's just wait and see. While it wouldn't surprise me at all if content was cut and put into DLC, we don't know that yet. Just remember you don't have to buy DLC. If you feel the need to send a message, your money or lack thereof will always speak louder than any post in a forum. But as I said, let's just wait and see first.

[Kolos2]

there is no word about the vehicle beeing free, the first DLC will be

Ir did you asume future DLCs on Cerberus Network gonna be free? seriously? in a EA game? heh suckers

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 11:00 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

I hope the one time activation of the network is attached to your account and that when you need to reinstall the game you still have access to it.

[izmirtheastarach]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I hope the one time activation of the network is attached to your account and that when you need to reinstall the game you still have access to it.

It absolutely is. It works just like Dragon Age. It will be tied to your EA account, which should be the same one you use to access these forums.

[MMonkeyking]

I think the Cerberus Network will be kind of like AC2's 'Uplay' system, which is when you download 'in menu' instead of on the marketplace(Xbox). Just a speculation;)

EDIT: Check this out http://tiny.cc/kDQg1

Modifié par MMonkeyking, 20 janvier 2010 - 12:31 .

[Unato]

if it's anything like DA:O then the network will be tied to your social.bioware account



i'm curious if that means we get no planet exploration or are we currently stuck using the same old bouncy hunk of scrap metal on ME2 launch. oh well time will tell

[MentalKase]

I don't know if I like the idea of being nickeled and dimed. For items in ME2. I hope that I won't have to play for the Hammerhead and my CNC will cover that DLC also.

[Mahouhashi]

I hope this doesn't mean I need to be connected to xboxlive in order to I'm play ME2. It wasn't so bad for DA:O that I had to be connected to the internet to use my damn DLC since it was on my PC, but it's not as convenient for me to be connected to XBL while playing a single player game, especially when my xbox seems to drop my connection regularly ;p

[Guaritor]

VonStrangle wrote...

Oh-ho, I see. After another read, I'm satisfied.

Sucks to be a pirate, I suppose.

Actually... Bioware supports pirates... they give us the option to change the forums language to Bucaneer!

[Malastare-]

crimzontearz wrote...

Malastare- wrote...

Understand this: Your relationship with Bioware is very simple:  In a week, they are going to release a pair of DVDs. Either you buy them, or you don't.  Once you do that, they have zero requirement to provide you with anything more.

you are just adding a party to the transaction but the result is conceptually the same

EA budgets ME2, they set 1000000$ for it, the 60$ pricetag of said game is supposed to be the return of investment from the buyers (us). within that budget Bioware creates the hammerhead, because of space reasons on the media chosen for the game they have to put it out on DLC....Bioware then charges people extra for it so they get the 60$ + an extra 10$ whereas it was all done on the budget that was supposed to be paid for with the original pricetag of the game.

No.

Repeat after me: I am not an investor in Bioware. 

You have no right to maximize the value of your $60 (or $50) payment.  You are not investing in Bioware.  You are not a client of Bioware.  EA supplied the money to Bioware, and Bioware wrote a game with it.  EA supplied the capital.  EA is the one taking the risk.  They paid their $1 million (more, actually) and expect to see a profit on it.  When excess value (ie: money) starts getting spread around, EA is first in line.  Bioware is next.  You and I are somewhere after that.

I might argue that its horribly unethical for you to sit around in a chair, doing absolutely nothing, taking zero risk, and providing no capital while insisting that Bioware and EA use their money to cater to your wishes.  If that's not the definition of gross entitlement, I don't know what is.

crimzontearz wrote...

if they 2 budgets were separate I would have ABSOLUTELY no problem with it (and I am gonna get it anyway so....)

Luckily for you, Bioware has stated repeatedly that the two groups operate independanly (other than working on the same codebase and using similar tools).

[vertibird1]

How would we download it would it be on the xbox live marketplace? but then again only people who have the card could download it

[Vertrucio]

You would most likely download a DLC pack from XBL, this puts the content on your hard drive. Then in-game you tie your game to your bioware/EA account that you registered your cerberus network card on.



On the other hand, EA has many special deals with console makers to run their own servers. So you might just do as in dragon age, downloading the DLC directly from within the game, with the game storing it on the hard drive.

[Malastare-]

Veen130 wrote...

...but these DLCs just seem to be too major to take out of the final game.

They didn't take them out of the game.  They have a complete, final game.  It's already boxed and everything.  The Hammerhead is additional.

Veen130 wrote...

...it seems I can't get the complete game.

You can.  Amazon is selling the complete game.  So is Gamestop.  So is Best Buy.  And Game.  And Amazon UK.  And loads of stores across the world.  That box they're selling is the complete game.   

There is also DLC.  That's extra.  It's not required, it's not part of the "core game", and you have zero right to demand that they give it to you.

Veen130 wrote...

The Hammerhead was announced months ago

No, it wasn't.  This was the first announcement.  It was rumored before then, but that's the problem with rumors.  You don't know what's true and what's not.  And in this case, the rumors that it was being put into the core game were wrong.  It's DLC.  It's just additional, non-required, superfluous quests.

Veen130 wrote...

so I would assume that they finished it before it went gold

That would be a foolish assumption.  Games have to be "gold" months before they get shipped, especially when releasing on consoles.  They spend weeks before that in feature-freeze.  In order to get a feature like the Hammerhead into a game, it needs to be decided upon several months in the future.

Veen130 wrote...

so if thats true

...and we have zero reason to think that it is...

Veen130 wrote...

I don't see why it wont be in the final game.

I'm afraid you never will.  However, if you want to understand, the first step is to stop assuming that you know how games are made and start listening to the people who actually make them.

[Kolos2]

Some might have a hard time to grasp the difference between "necessity" as stated by Biowares own chief and "optional" or "aditional", Hammerhead is branded as a necessity hence it is an integral part of the game

Modifié par Kolos2, 19 janvier 2010 - 11:34 .

[Kloreep]

Sounds cool. Hopefully tying the DLC system directly into the game will make it all go smoother than with ME1.



Could someone from Bioware clarify how the protection on the DLC will work? I'm not even sure how DA's system works after browsing that forum, and ME2 may be its own thing anyway. Specifically, I'm wondering:



-When does it check in to validate the DLCs? That is, in order to have the DLC working in-game, will I have to be on-line and in contact with the proper server whenever I launch the game? Or even every X time period while playing the game? Or not at all? (I assume it goes without saying it will need to check in when first installed.)

-Are there limits placed on activating the game/Cerberus Network/specific DLCs on multiple machines? If so, what are the details on that? I must say I hated the whole lifetime activation limit with ME1, so I'm hoping the answer is pretty much "no..."

[Deflagratio]

And you all thought the Hammerhead wouldn't show up. I do have to wonder how it'll be implemented though. Guess we'll find out soon enough.



IGN's update on this seemed to have a typo. Saying that the DLC Character was for "One mission" not Shepard's "Mission to save Humanity" which is a little more all-encompassing than what IGN suggested.

[crimzontearz]

Malastare- wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Malastare- wrote...

Understand this: Your relationship with Bioware is very simple:  In a week, they are going to release a pair of DVDs. Either you buy them, or you don't.  Once you do that, they have zero requirement to provide you with anything more.

you are just adding a party to the transaction but the result is conceptually the same

EA budgets ME2, they set 1000000$ for it, the 60$ pricetag of said game is supposed to be the return of investment from the buyers (us). within that budget Bioware creates the hammerhead, because of space reasons on the media chosen for the game they have to put it out on DLC....Bioware then charges people extra for it so they get the 60$ + an extra 10$ whereas it was all done on the budget that was supposed to be paid for with the original pricetag of the game.

No.

Repeat after me: I am not an investor in Bioware. 

You have no right to maximize the value of your $60 (or $50) payment.  You are not investing in Bioware.  You are not a client of Bioware.  EA supplied the money to Bioware, and Bioware wrote a game with it.  EA supplied the capital.  EA is the one taking the risk.  They paid their $1 million (more, actually) and expect to see a profit on it.  When excess value (ie: money) starts getting spread around, EA is first in line.  Bioware is next.  You and I are somewhere after that.

I might argue that its horribly unethical for you to sit around in a chair, doing absolutely nothing, taking zero risk, and providing no capital while insisting that Bioware and EA use their money to cater to your wishes.  If that's not the definition of gross entitlement, I don't know what is.

crimzontearz wrote...

if they 2 budgets were separate I would have ABSOLUTELY no problem with it (and I am gonna get it anyway so....)

Luckily for you, Bioware has stated repeatedly that the two groups operate independanly (other than working on the same codebase and using similar tools).

actually, since ultimately the money for their return of investment comes from my pockets I do not feel unethical at all. ultimately OUR money.....OUR interest in game is what EA is after so yes they will cater to our wishes (well not really they will try to entice us which is completely different, indeed if they were catering to our wishes then there would be  a LOT more asari in the game.......)


now with that in mind your mentality only leads to larger and larger rippoffs and to a future in which games will be sold ENTIRELY with microtransactions because.....well.....after all they are entiled to do so right?


sure, the consumer can voice their discontent and disapproval by not buying into it...but that will only bring the publishers to try and squeeze even more money out of those who will before they even consider going back to a less blood sucking modus operandi.


as for the two teams being entirely separate, yes you are right....but in THIS case the lines are blurred because of the implication of the hammerhead being a DLC because of the lack of space problem encountered by the devs

[Vertrucio]

They'd better have a lot of hammerhead missions that are useful during the main ME2 campaign. I can deal with it splitting off into DLC, but the hammerhead is a major feature so they'd better utilize it, and provide a significant number of missions free if they're going to pull something like that.

[stevej713]

Cerberus armor? Sounds neat.

[Kolos2]

Vertrucio wrote...

They'd better have a lot of hammerhead missions that are useful during the main ME2 campaign. I can deal with it splitting off into DLC, but the hammerhead is a major feature so they'd better utilize it, and provide a significant number of missions free if they're going to pull something like that.

Pinnacle Station

[Azazel005]

Malastare, I like you. I don't see why such a POV is so difficult to understand, outside the simple desire of people to what something for nothing.



Cheers mate!