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[Unato]

Kloreep wrote...

Sounds cool. Hopefully tying the DLC system directly into the game will make it all go smoother than with ME1.

Could someone from Bioware clarify how the protection on the DLC will work? I'm not even sure how DA's system works after browsing that forum, and ME2 may be its own thing anyway. Specifically, I'm wondering:

-When does it check in to validate the DLCs? That is, in order to have the DLC working in-game, will I have to be on-line and in contact with the proper server whenever I launch the game? Or even every X time period while playing the game? Or not at all? (I assume it goes without saying it will need to check in when first installed.)
-Are there limits placed on activating the game/Cerberus Network/specific DLCs on multiple machines? If so, what are the details on that? I must say I hated the whole lifetime activation limit with ME1, so I'm hoping the answer is pretty much "no..."

in DA:O everything is tied to your social.bioware account. there's a button ( in DA:O ) at the bottom left of the screen that lets you log on to your social.bioware account. only after logging in can you download your DLC, once your DLC has been downloaded and installed you can safely not log in till whenever you next wish to grab more DLC


ME2 might have something different but seriously the launch of DA:O created alot of problems when trying to get the DLC and I hate to see them try something new just so we can play guinea pigs

[Vertrucio]

DAO owners were the guinea pigs. The only problem I see now is that ME2 has a larger audience, thus the servers may get swamped.

[DaeJi]

Another human squadmate... *sigh* Oh well, he looks cool enough.

[Mitchmcn]

Hell yeah! Hammerhead confirmed as DLC vehicle!!!

[FAZZ Gundam]

My pants just exploded at this information.

[SethSteiner]

What is good in that? This should be on disc in the first place. The whole Day1-DLC and 1st-Week After DLC is from the game and just cutted of to sell it as DLC to the ones who buy it used or to late. In the days of Baldurs Gate this was unthinkable and now there are people who defend this rip-off.

[DaeJi]

SethSteiner wrote...

What is good in that? This should be on disc in the first place. The whole Day1-DLC and 1st-Week After DLC is from the game and just cutted of to sell it as DLC to the ones who buy it used or to late. In the days of Baldurs Gate this was unthinkable and now there are people who defend this rip-off.

The game is already on two disks and has 11,000 more spoken words than Mass Effect; space is real issue. Personally I think this stuff should be free reguardless due to that issue.

[EJon]

SethSteiner wrote...

What is good in that? This should be on disc in the first place. The whole Day1-DLC and 1st-Week After DLC is from the game and just cutted of to sell it as DLC to the ones who buy it used or to late. In the days of Baldurs Gate this was unthinkable and now there are people who defend this rip-off.

And you would know because you work at Bioware :innocent:
 

[Unato]

since teleportation hasn't been invented yet a game would generally have to be sent off to be printed 2 to 3 weeks before its launch date. in said launch date the game developers can either



a) take a vacation

watch porn at work

c) work on more content



is it that hard to think a little that bioware likes working on their franchise and actually want to give something back to their fans? just because it comes out X doesn't mean they work on it up till X minus 24hrs

[Guaritor]

SethSteiner wrote...

What is good in that? This should be on disc in the first place. The whole Day1-DLC and 1st-Week After DLC is from the game and just cutted of to sell it as DLC to the ones who buy it used or to late. In the days of Baldurs Gate this was unthinkable and now there are people who defend this rip-off.

Umm... buying the game late has nothing to do with it... as long as you buy a new game you get all the same content.

Now buying it used, well BW is offering you some incentive to buy the game new... and if you still don't want to then you'll need to pay for some of the bonus content that new buyers see for free.  Its a good idea for BW seeing as how used sales give them nothing.

Nothing was cut from the game to sell as DLC, the game is huge as it is and barely fits on two discs.

[Aesir Rising]

quartzedge wrote...

<snip>I guess you can't really blame them. They get little to no money at all on the sales of used games.

I agree.  When I sold my motorcycle, car, television, motherboard, CPU, and RAM over the past year or so, I remember cutting checks for Kawasaki, Audi, Sony, Asus, AMD, and Patriot.  No reason BioWare shouldn't do the same.

[FreezaSama]

SethSteiner wrote...

What is good in that? This should be on disc in the first place. The whole Day1-DLC and 1st-Week After DLC is from the game and just cutted of to sell it as DLC to the ones who buy it used or to late. In the days of Baldurs Gate this was unthinkable and now there are people who defend this rip-off.

I blame broadband internet. 

[Les_Carver]

I dont like the fact that I gotta get the network card just to get a vehicle that was included in the first game (which I know its not exactly the same) but I mean, why not include that vehicle in the original game and not just a dlc? ¬¬

[gurlgotkat]

argh dlc?! lol, reliable high speed internet is not offered where i live (i live in the country) i guess i am going to have wait and to raid a relative's house to update.
edited:
i don't mind paying for dlc but i do mind having to pay high unreliable internet costs. not everyone can afford to fork over 100$ a month.  i feel to be fair they could sell compiled dlc on disk.  or perhaps have a different edition of the game where you have to pay extra but it has the content on disc.  there are options!!!!

Modifié par gurlgotkat, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:48 .

[SethSteiner]

DaeJi wrote...

SethSteiner wrote...

What is
good in that? This should be on disc in the first place. The whole
Day1-DLC and 1st-Week After DLC is from the game and just cutted of to
sell it as DLC to the ones who buy it used or to late. In the days of
Baldurs Gate this was unthinkable and now there are people who defend
this rip-off.

The game is already on two disks and has
11,000 more spoken words than Mass Effect; space is real issue.
Personally I think this stuff should be free reguardless due to that
issue.

Space was never an issue. If something is
big, there is still another disc you could use and DVDs are very cheap.
Baldurs Gate had more CDs than Mass Effect 2 has now. Gamers didn`t
complain about that so why should they now?

@EJon
Why should I trust any game company? What did they with the DLCs in the last time? The ripped the consumers off. I pay 50 Euro but I should pay more, even if it`s part of the game. Dragon Age showed it, Soul Calibur showed it in a real dumb way, Street Fighter showed it, Assassins Creed, Resident Evil and there are dozens of another examples. There is content on the release day, this is content I already paid with the purchase of the game and it`s my right to sell it, if I want to but this whole DLC case forbid me that. No, sorry but I have lost every trust I ever had.

Modifié par SethSteiner, 20 janvier 2010 - 12:28 .

[The Revanent]

So how many days after launch will we be getting the hammerhead, I hope it's no more than a couple days.

Modifié par The Revanent, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:20 .

[FAZZ Gundam]

Ah over-inflated senses of entitlement, gotta love 'em.

[Dave of Canada]

SethSteiner wrote...

Space was never an issue. If something is
big, there is still another disc you could use and DVDs are very cheap.
Baldurs Gate had more CDs than Mass Effect 2 has now. Gamers didn`t
complain about that so why should they now?

@EJon
Why should I trust any game company? What did they with the DLCs in the last time? The ripped the consumers off. I pay 50 Euro but I should pay more, even if it`s part of the game. Dragon Age showed it, Soul Calibur showed it in a real dumb way, Street Fighter showed it, Assassins Creed, Resident Evil and there are dozens of another examples. There is content on the release day, this is content I already paid with the purchase of the game and it`s my right to sell it, if I want to but this whole DLC case forbid me that. No, sorry but I have lost every trust I ever had.

Heaven forbids you need to purchase somebody else's work that cost them resources and money, I'm so sorry you're offended about the thought of buying optional content that is coming out free for the game. You payed 50 Euro for Mass Effect 2, that's what you're entitled to, you aren't entitled to anything more. You may -think- you deserve the DLC, but you don't.

[Evilsod]

DaeJi wrote...

SethSteiner wrote...

What is good in that? This should be on disc in the first place. The whole Day1-DLC and 1st-Week After DLC is from the game and just cutted of to sell it as DLC to the ones who buy it used or to late. In the days of Baldurs Gate this was unthinkable and now there are people who defend this rip-off.

The game is already on two disks and has 11,000 more spoken words than Mass Effect; space is real issue. Personally I think this stuff should be free reguardless due to that issue.

Tell it to my Digital Edition. Disc space means jack ****. I can't re-sell it but i still have to jump through hoops with these ridiculous launch date DLCs.

I've not bought it yet because i'm holding off to see if its worth £40 to put up with this ****.

So tell me, why exactly couldn't my DDE include these 'disc saving DLCs' as standard?

Its starting to look very much like money grabbing imo. Pirating is a laughable excuse, and now the second hand market is getting dragged into this charade. If i bought something second hand only to find out i was getting screwed over for free content they gave to the original owner, why wouldn't i just pirate the additional content? Tthen begs the question, why not just pirate the whole thing until they stop giving us hoops to jump through?

[Malastare-]

crimzontearz wrote...

actually, since ultimately the money for their return of investment comes from my pockets I do not feel unethical at all. ultimately OUR money.....OUR interest in game is what EA is after so yes they will cater to our wishes

Do not equate the money you pay for satisfaction with the money EA risked to make the game.  Your involvement is after the fact.  You do not have the opportunity or priviledge of setting preconditions.  Either you buy it or you don't.  EA and Bioware don't have that choice.

EA/Bioware is gambling their prowess against our desires.  Their goal is to spend the least to get the most people to buy the game.

crimzontearz wrote...

now with that in mind your mentality only leads to larger and larger rippoffs and to a future in which games will be sold ENTIRELY with microtransactions because.....well.....after all they are entiled to do so right?

This is elementary economics.  There are limits and you're well aware of them.  Hyperbole doesn't help the discussion.  EA/Bioware's job is to make us buy the game, and we'll buy the game if we're happy.  If we're really happy, we'll buy more of their games and we'll buy them at first-release prices.  So, you maximize profits by making your customers happier.  However, there are diminishing returns, and a team of game developers is not a cheap resource.

crimzontearz wrote...

as for the two teams being entirely separate, yes you are right....but in THIS case the lines are blurred because of the implication of the hammerhead being a DLC because of the lack of space problem encountered by the devs

That's not my point.  My point is that it doesn't matter why the Hammerhead was removed.  They decided to remove it.  No one here is being so cynical (or dishonest) as to claim that Bioware is shipping an incomplete game (well... almost no one).  They just feel that they are entitled to (effectively) force Bioware to release the game that they envisioned, ignoring the will, artistic vision, and economic decisions of the professional game developers who actually made the game.

[OriginalDiSarray]

So having the Hammerhead as a DLC vehicle does this mean we will have more DLC vehicles in the future..... maybe have the mako make an awesome return!

[izmirtheastarach]

Evilsod wrote...

Tell it to my Digital Edition. Disc space means jack ****. I can't re-sell it but i still have to jump through hoops with these ridiculous launch date DLCs.

I've not bought it yet because i'm holding off to see if its worth £40 to put up with this ****.

So tell me, why exactly couldn't my DDE include these 'disc saving DLCs' as standard?

Its starting to look very much like money grabbing imo. Pirating is a laughable excuse, and now the second hand market is getting dragged into this charade. If i bought something second hand only to find out i was getting screwed over for free content they gave to the original owner, why wouldn't i just pirate the additional content? Tthen begs the question, why not just pirate the whole thing until they stop giving us hoops to jump through?

The launch day DLC is free.

My favourite part of what you just said is this

"If i bought something second hand only to find out i was getting
screwed over for free content they gave to the original owner, why
wouldn't i just pirate the additional content"

Fine. Go do that. Why would the publisher care? They were not getting any of your money anwyays. What different would it make to them?

[Dave of Canada]

Evilsod wrote...

Pirating is a laughable excuse, and now the second hand market is getting dragged into this charade. If i bought something second hand only to find out i was getting screwed over for free content they gave to the original owner, why wouldn't i just pirate the additional content? Tthen begs the question, why not just pirate the whole thing until they stop giving us hoops to jump through?

• If you purchase the game used, not a single dollar goes to the company - it's one of the reasons the market is ruining gaming as a whole, Bioware decides to challenge it with giving away free downloadable content. Apparently, this is a slap to the face! People who pay cheaper than others will have to pay the company a little bit of money for the work they put into it if they want the DLC? OUTRAGEOUS!
• Are you complaining that you're required to download the DLC seperately, even if it's still free? People cry for anything now a days.
• If you're planning on pirating, why the hell are you crying about DLC?

[Baalzek]

I'm thinking the Cerberus card will give you a few early free DLCs. So if you don't buy the game new you can buy it with MS point, get some stuff free, ie hammerhead dlc, Zaeed dlc and some other little tidbits. Then after some months the bad boy DLC will come out ie, DA:O Awakening type DLC and then they will start charging.

[ramdog7]

SethSteiner wrote...

What is good in that? This should be on disc in the first place. The whole Day1-DLC and 1st-Week After DLC is from the game and just cutted of to sell it as DLC to the ones who buy it used or to late. In the days of Baldurs Gate this was unthinkable and now there are people who defend this rip-off.

In the Days of Baldurs Gate, Graphics werent that good (mean more space to but stuff)