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[Kolos2]

Biowares DLCs pay more and need less work, since you just scavenge some parts of the original game (finished or unfinished parts) and charge for it; Or you come with something like Pinnacle Station
Tbh i wouldnt mind if DLC where as overpriced expanded gameplay (Fallout 3) as long its beeing developed outside the original game

Modifié par Kolos2, 20 janvier 2010 - 09:13 .

[Splittheatom]

Did anyone know, can we buy this DLC using Microsoft Points?I worried about that, because that maybe restricted to people who using credit card.

[tirea_atreides]

Kolos2 wrote...

Lord Ivica wrote...

: "Limited Edition Cerberus Network card granting access to bonus content"

Is it possible that CE Cerberus card gives more options?

No it wont , as Chris told us thats another "misscomunication, but hey if you dont like it dont buy the CE its beeing sold out anyway"


As for the whole Hammerhead aint part of the full game experiance crap, so wasnt Shale or Zaeed wont eh?
Without the DLC a lot of the original content will be missed

Ok, I get that all the 'Zaeed' and 'Hammerhead' DLCs will be free for all people who bought a new copy of the game (standard or CE), but is it possible that later some additional content will be available for free for those who got their Cerberus Network card from a CE, and those who got their CN from a SE will have to pay? In other words - is it possible that Cerberus Network cards from SE and CE have 'different level of access' or sth like that ?

Im just asking because I want to finally pre-order my copy of the game and cannot decide if CE is worth it's price. I don't really care about the artbook or some fancy tinbox  etc, only about the additional in-game content, and it looks that, in that department, CE only has an additional armor and weapon - and that isn't enough to convince me to pay 1/3 more (in my country) for CE.

[FluxDeluxe]

It's genius imo this has probably been said before but i haven't got time to trawl through the posts.

Bioware get zero money from the used game market
With the card it guarantees players who buy the game new free DLC
Players who buy the game second hand have to buy the card to get the extra content.

So lets say buying the game second hand two months after release costs 26.99 Then let's say the network card costs £8. The overall cost comes to 34.99 which is probably close to what it will retail at in the shops. This encourages people to buy it new. Who wants a used copy of the game when you could buy it new with all the extra content free ??

EA have devised a way of making a margin off the used games market and marrying that up with free content for people who buy the game new. It's even possible depending on how much the card costs to download that EA will make more of a margin on the used game market than on the new games. Hats off. Much better than horrible DRM.

I still think that for an expansion, if any are planned, that network card holders will have to pay for that.

It solves the issue in the console market. In the PC market though it could encourage more piracy because people who bought used games may be more inclined to pick up cracked copies of the DLC and game on torrents. However i don't know how big the used game console market is compared to the PC one. Maybe the difference in size of the used games markets for each platform mitigates the risk somewhat.

Modifié par FluxDeluxe, 20 janvier 2010 - 10:07 .

[matt-bassist]

I always thought that Bioware removed Shale from the original game and added her as a DLC to encourage people to sign up online. You know, to keep track of players, crunch numbers etc. Get a database going. It makes sense with regards to re-selling the game as well.

[Kolos2]

tirea_atreides wrote...

those Cerberus Network cards from SE and CE have 'different level of access' or sth like that ?

No , it was stated that the Cerberus card comes with all game editions; and only the first DLC (Zaeed) for ME2 will be free;
Cerberus Network gonna be free however, thy are very generious to give you an interface for free so thy can milk ya with it  

Its not so much an ingenious system, rather that EA knows its buyer base mentality and profits from it; in most other non digital franchise this wouldnt have been  tolerated, since as a custumer most tend to have more for the buck not less;
There are always some that would buy anything as long it has a Bioware tag on it (khmm Pinnacle Station khmm)

But tbh i dont mind that, its always about moneyz but what did rock my boat is the Hammerhead crap, you cant get a more plain money grab like that 
And as someone else states this directly supports piracy

Modifié par Kolos2, 20 janvier 2010 - 10:46 .

[The55PercentCrew]

My question is how much of my HDD is this going to take up? I'm still rocking the 20 gig on my 360 and I only have 5 left.

Modifié par The55PercentCrew, 20 janvier 2010 - 11:27 .

[SurfaceBeneath]

matt-bassist wrote...

I always thought that Bioware removed Shale from the original game and added her as a DLC to encourage people to sign up online. You know, to keep track of players, crunch numbers etc. Get a database going. It makes sense with regards to re-selling the game as well.

According to the official word, Shale was originally intended to be included in the original game but was cut due to time constraints. However, when the PC version of Dragon Age was delayed in order to ship with the console versions, it gave the DLC team time enough to finish Shale in time for release.

Could Shale have been included in the retail product? Probably. But I suppose EA had this idea of Day 1 free DLC in order to reward players who buy the game new and turn a profit from the used game market. Kind of a cheap business maneuver, but being someone who had Dragon Age on preorder months before it came out (as I preordered ME2 sometime in November) I don't really mind so much.

[SurfaceBeneath]

The55PercentCrew wrote...

My question is how much of my HDD is this going to take up? I'm still rocking the 20 gig on my 360 and I only have 5 left.

Probably not too much. Still... definitely a case for buying the game for PC if your Xbox hard drive space is running low (and I know that many people are starting to feel those constraints). It certainly is nice having a 1.5 tb hard drive and knowing I'll never run out of space on my computer (unless I show absolutely zero restraint in porn downloading).

[FluxDeluxe]

Kolos2 wrote...

tirea_atreides wrote...

those Cerberus Network cards from SE and CE have 'different level of access' or sth like that ?

No , it was stated that the Cerberus card comes with all game editions; and only the first DLC (Zaeed) for ME2 will be free;
Cerberus Network gonna be free however, thy are very generious to give you an interface for free so thy can milk ya with it  

Its not so much an ingenious system, rather that EA knows its buyer base mentality and profits from it; in most other non digital franchise this wouldnt have been  tolerated, since as a custumer most tend to have more for the buck not less;
There are always some that would buy anything as long it has a Bioware tag on it (khmm Pinnacle Station khmm)

But tbh i dont mind that, its always about moneyz but what did rock my boat is the Hammerhead crap, you cant get a more plain money grab like that 
And as someone else states this directly supports piracy

Those who purchase the title new will receive exclusive access to the
'The Cerberus Network,' an in-game pipeline for downloadable content,
as well as daily messages and news on upcoming releases for the game at
no additional cost. Access requires players to input a single-use unlock
code that comes included with all new copies, retail and digital
versions."

You are getting more though because as the statement from EA outlined the DLC is free and the game is being ported on 2 discs not one. The game is already packed full of content on top you get an extra character, for free on the day of release. You also get the hammerhead for free at a later date if you bought the game new.Having just typed that the wording is a little ambigious on the IGN article. It's probably saying that access to the netwrok is free rather than the DLC itself. Hmmm either way at least there is some bloddy DLC this time round !

Is there any official word on exactly how this is going to work from the marketing team.

[Malastare-]

DocDVD wrote...

I won't use the code that comes with the game and stay clear of the DLC. Why? Because this just feels like Dragon Age were you get overpowered items as day one / preorder DLC and have no need in the game to ever change to another set of weapons / armor or whatever you get as "incentive".

Er.... maybe I just got unlucky, but none of the preorder/day-1 items were overpowered.  The memory band was pretty much pointless and discarded as soon as I got two real rings.  The Lion's Paw boots were nice, but by the end of the game, even Morrigan/Wynne had switched to better boots, and they never really gave a huge advantage.  The Blood Dragon armor was good, but to be honest, I only used it for a very short period of time.  The Juggernaut armor was much better and the dragon/drake scale armor was more appealing for other characters.

I know there were other items, but none of them looked that powerful.  The only people who ever claimed they were hadn't really looked around to find the really good stuff.

[Malastare-]

matt-bassist wrote...

I always thought that Bioware removed Shale from the original game and added her as a DLC to encourage people to sign up online. You know, to keep track of players, crunch numbers etc. Get a database going. It makes sense with regards to re-selling the game as well.

You're free to think that, but it goes against everything that Bioware has ever said and there is zero evidence to think that.

Why do you like Bioware if you think they lie to you at every single opportunity they have?

[Kolos2]

FluxDeluxe wrote...


. You also get the hammerhead for free at a later date if you bought the game new.Having just typed that the wording is a little ambigious on the IGN article. It's probably saying that access to the netwrok is free rather than the DLC itself. Hmmm either way at least there is some bloddy DLC this time round !
.

Yes all the content on the Cerberus Network gonna be free , DLCs after the relise date included....when EAs own pigs can fly

Well i suppose thy should have removed the Mako in  ME1 and added it via an dlc, so at least you would get one
Afterall planetary exploration was optional, and not a game breaking feature

Modifié par Kolos2, 20 janvier 2010 - 12:11 .

[Malastare-]

tirea_atreides wrote...

Ok, I get that all the 'Zaeed' and 'Hammerhead' DLCs will be free for all people who bought a new copy of the game (standard or CE), but is it possible that later some additional content will be available for free for those who got their Cerberus Network card from a CE, and those who got their CN from a SE will have to pay? In other words - is it possible that Cerberus Network cards from SE and CE have 'different level of access' or sth like that ?

Dude... come on...

Nothing we've heard says there is any difference between the Cerberus Network Card which comes from the CE and the standard edition.  No differences between PC and XBox.  US or AU or UK or PL.  Nothing at all.   Everyone who buys the game gets the card.  Everyone gets Zaeed and the Hammerhead and extra weapons and armor.

No differences.

Is it possible that they'll decide to give some different free stuff to CE buyers a year down the road.  Yes.... yes I suppose it is possible.  It's right up there with the possibility that you might be killed by a meteorite in the next year, so you'll want to weigh that possibility as well.

tirea_atreides wrote...

Im just asking because I want to finally pre-order my copy of the game and cannot decide if CE is worth it's price. I don't really care about the artbook or some fancy tinbox  etc, only about the additional in-game content, and it looks that, in that department, CE only has an additional armor and weapon - and that isn't enough to convince me to pay 1/3 more (in my country) for CE.

Look.  The point of the CE is not to give you super secret items that no one else gets.  It provides extra content for people who really like the game and want to see how it was made, want to own hard copies of the artwork, and want to have the soundtrack to listen to in their spare time.  If you're not interested in the art, the background DVD, or the music, then why are you even considering the CE?  No matter how great the Collector armor and weapon are, they're not worth $20 (in my opinion)

If they are for you... then go ahead and get the CE.  But normal sane people only get the CE for that extra stuff you don't want.  I'd warn you not to ever buy a special edition of a game with the hope that sometime you might get something special for it.   That's just foolish.

[Kolos2]

CE today is  in fact the same game box as it was sold years ago;
So i can understand people hoping for  some limited content to make the price diffirence worthwile

For me, CE costs like 8 euros more so meh at least i can use the tin box , altrough it might be just the price Hammerhead gonna cost

Modifié par Kolos2, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:07 .

[brunomalta]

I would really like to read some comments on this discussion by some Bioware devs. It would help to calm some fears around here...or...feed the flames :-)

[Lord Ivica]

So, to sum up, what is the difference between SE and CE?

Comic and Art book, and that's it?

And some armor and weapon which will be obsolete after first few levels?



Or do we really get soundtrack atleast?

[brunomalta]

Lord Ivica wrote...

So, to sum up, what is the difference between SE and CE?
Comic and Art book, and that's it?
And some armor and weapon which will be obsolete after first few levels?

Or do we really get soundtrack atleast?

Sorry to bother and being a pain but....this thread is for discussing the Cerberus Network. This info you ask is easy to google. But here, take a peak:
http://masseffect.bi...nfo/collectors/

No soundtrack. But it comes in a tin can 

[dwcw]

Hey, just wondering. It is possible to use another gamer-tag to download the DLC and then use my main account to play? It's a real **** trying to sign up for an account using my main as I keep getting some error.

[Lord Ivica]

brunomalta wrote...

[Sorry to bother and being a pain but....this thread is for discussing the Cerberus Network. This info you ask is easy to google. But here, take a peak:
http://masseffect.bi...nfo/collectors/

No soundtrack. But it comes in a tin can 

Ty.

I know what is mentioned on the site, but they also specify bonus dvd, and it is not yet said what will be on it.

[brunomalta]

Lord Ivica wrote...

brunomalta wrote...

[Sorry to bother and being a pain but....this thread is for discussing the Cerberus Network. This info you ask is easy to google. But here, take a peak:
http://masseffect.bi...nfo/collectors/

No soundtrack. But it comes in a tin can 

Ty.

I know what is mentioned on the site, but they also specify bonus dvd, and it is not yet said what will be on it.

Really? Then maybe i´m wrong and some surprise can happen. 

[GmanFresh]

glad its free

[Nozybidaj]

tirea_atreides wrote...
Ok, I get that all the 'Zaeed' and 'Hammerhead' DLCs will be free for all people who bought a new copy of the game (standard or CE),

Was this confirmed that both these will be free?

[Br0th3rGr1mm]

AFAIK, no confirmation that the 2nd round of announced DLC (to be released later) that has the Hammerhead is going to be free. I am unaware of any comments from Bioware employees beyond the Press Release that is linked in the OP.

[GODzilla]

‘The Cerberus Network’ is activated exclusively by original purchasers
of Mass Effect 2 through a single-use unlock code that comes included
in retail and digital versions of the game worldwide. ‘The Cerberus
Network’ is a conduit for players to receive bonus content as well as
daily messages and news on upcoming releases for Mass Effect 2 for no
extra charge. For players who do not buy the game new, ‘The Cerberus
Network’ can be unlocked through a one-time, in-game purchase of a new
activation code*.

So people do not only have to re-buy all the DLCs when they buy ME2 from second hand (while the worth of the money the original owner spent on them vanishes into a black hole), but they also have to pay to access the simple possibility to use these DLCs, or to get to know when new DLCs arrive?

I already detest Bioware for making it so that the DLCs are not bound to the game or the game cd key, but also forcing second hand buyers to pay for access to the Cerberus Network is...unspeakable, it just makes me really sad and angry. How can a developer become so greedy?

Another reason I don't get why Bioware wants to limit the access for second hand buyers is that it would be in their best interest to let every buyer of ME 2 know, even those who bought it from second hand, that there are new DLCs. It's all about the money, I got that, but opening the Cerberus Network to all buyers would broaden the access of potential buyers.

This whole DLCs thing pisses me of. It's like a virus and it's spreading into the minds of developers who become more and more greedy with every passing year. It seems to me the whole gaming industry is rotting from the inside out.

Modifié par GODzilla_GSPB, 20 janvier 2010 - 04:41 .