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[Sterlk]

Evilsod wrote...

People who pay cheaper than the others also WAIT for longer. Isn't this how things work?

Not necessarily; tell it to the Americans... they get ME2 for half the price and 3 days earlier than us Aussies.

Anyway, I don't really see the problem here, the current information floating around is that the Hammerhead is free DLC. Zaeed is free too.

People who subscribe to the theory that "You shouldn't be paying for things that should already be on the disk" should climb out of the rage sphere for a while. As far as anybody is aware, both DLC packs are free.

As far as I'm aware, the people saying otherwise; their basis for "knowing" the hammerhead won't be free is a thought process something along the lines of "It's EA, what do you expect?!". Well... we're getting Zaeed for free, will Bioware any more or less owned by EA by the time the Hammerhead DLC rolls around?

[Insanityxiii]

So will dlc be free after day one because my ce is being shipped

[darthdrake201]

Thing is I havent seen any dlc content in any game worth the price they ask for. The game is 60 bucks with with maybe a 100 hours of gameplay then they release a dlc which is maybe at most an 1 hour of content for 9 bucks(1/6 of the cost of the game) so screw dlc.

[crimzontearz]

to those saying each company is entitled to cut out parts of the game to sell it later as DLC. Yes, they are, but does that make it a fair choice? If I own a restaurant I can legally reseve the right not to serve whoever I choose for whatever reason I choose...I CAN choose not to serve an entire ethnicity just because I do not like them. Once again I am entitled to that decision but come on........

more to the point, imagine going to watch Avatar the cinema.....riiiight before the beginning of the final battle POOF.....movie ends...wanna see the rest of the movie? cool...go to the lobby and buy an extra 3 bucks ticket

hey it's THEIR movie they are entitled to do that right? sure they are but what kind of approach is it?

yes people say that calling this trend a "slippery slope" is being a doomsayer, yet if you think about it, as I said before, something like what happened with SFIV was unfathomable a few years back....yet it is happening now, and software houses are now basically saying "yeah...we are doing it" and people are freaking defending them rather than protesting..


At this point I will never get another pierce of DLC from Capcom or Ubisoft or any other company if they hop on the bandwagon. Bioware stated the 2 teams (main game and DLC) are on totally different budgets and the DLC was never part of the main game to begin with....until proven otherwise I will believe them and buy their DLC.
 

[ChaoticBroth]

crimzontearz wrote...

to those saying each company is entitled to cut out parts of the game to sell it later as DLC. Yes, they are, but does that make it a fair choice? If I own a restaurant I can legally reseve the right not to serve whoever I choose for whatever reason I choose...I CAN choose not to serve an entire ethnicity just because I do not like them. Once again I am entitled to that decision but come on........

Well, there are memory limitations. There's only so many they can fit on two discs, you know. Even then, most of this won't exactly impact the story heavily, maybe aside from a few extra tidbits and some loose ends wrapped up.

more to the point, imagine going to watch Avatar the cinema.....riiiight before the beginning of the final battle POOF.....movie ends...wanna see the rest of the movie? cool...go to the lobby and buy an extra 3 bucks ticket

hey it's THEIR movie they are entitled to do that right? sure they are but what kind of approach is it?

Actually, what BioWare is doing is more along the lines of this.

You buy an exclusive DVD, which includes some extra content, although the entire package is at a higher cost than just buying the regular DVD without the exclusive content.

[crimzontearz]

ChaoticBroth wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

to those saying each company is entitled to cut out parts of the game to sell it later as DLC. Yes, they are, but does that make it a fair choice? If I own a restaurant I can legally reseve the right not to serve whoever I choose for whatever reason I choose...I CAN choose not to serve an entire ethnicity just because I do not like them. Once again I am entitled to that decision but come on........

Well, there are memory limitations. There's only so many they can fit on two discs, you know. Even then, most of this won't exactly impact the story heavily, maybe aside from a few extra tidbits and some loose ends wrapped up.

more to the point, imagine going to watch Avatar the cinema.....riiiight before the beginning of the final battle POOF.....movie ends...wanna see the rest of the movie? cool...go to the lobby and buy an extra 3 bucks ticket

hey it's THEIR movie they are entitled to do that right? sure they are but what kind of approach is it?

Actually, what BioWare is doing is more along the lines of this.

You buy an exclusive DVD, which includes some extra content, although the entire package is at a higher cost than just buying the regular DVD without the exclusive content.

I am not speaking about Bioware in the specific.....yes they DID end up finding memory limitations and that is en exception not a rule but look at SFIV, all the DLC content was already INSIDE THE DVD....you were just paying it to unlock it......


and yes, your example holds, if it was not for the fact that, again, I am not talking about Bioware who has 2 teams and 2 separate dvelopements one for the game and one for the DLC....I was talking about Capcom and Ubisoft which admitted to be cutting parts off the finished game just to sell them off later

[Phoenixblight]

crimzontearz wrote...

ChaoticBroth wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

to those saying each company is entitled to cut out parts of the game to sell it later as DLC. Yes, they are, but does that make it a fair choice? If I own a restaurant I can legally reseve the right not to serve whoever I choose for whatever reason I choose...I CAN choose not to serve an entire ethnicity just because I do not like them. Once again I am entitled to that decision but come on........

Well, there are memory limitations. There's only so many they can fit on two discs, you know. Even then, most of this won't exactly impact the story heavily, maybe aside from a few extra tidbits and some loose ends wrapped up.

more to the point, imagine going to watch Avatar the cinema.....riiiight before the beginning of the final battle POOF.....movie ends...wanna see the rest of the movie? cool...go to the lobby and buy an extra 3 bucks ticket

hey it's THEIR movie they are entitled to do that right? sure they are but what kind of approach is it?

Actually, what BioWare is doing is more along the lines of this.

You buy an exclusive DVD, which includes some extra content, although the entire package is at a higher cost than just buying the regular DVD without the exclusive content.

I am not speaking about Bioware in the specific.....yes they DID end up finding memory limitations and that is en exception not a rule but look at SFIV, all the DLC content was already INSIDE THE DVD....you were just paying it to unlock it......


and yes, your example holds, if it was not for the fact that, again, I am not talking about Bioware who has 2 teams and 2 separate dvelopements one for the game and one for the DLC....I was talking about Capcom and Ubisoft which admitted to be cutting parts off the finished game just to sell them off later

What Capcom and Ubisoft did is not cut off the parts from the game what they did is locked the content on the disc. All the content on RE 5 and Assassins Creed 2 that were later sold as "DLC" were actually just content that is locked out and when you pay for it you are paying for a code to unlock the content so you have access to it.  This is a horrible DLC model so much so those that are tech savy find this and put this info on the internet. THere is no Download history for those games because you don't download a damn thing.

THis is not the case here with Bioware's games.

[izmirtheastarach]

Phoenixblight wrote...

What Capcom and Ubisoft did is not cut off the parts from the game what they did is locked the content on the disc. All the content on RE 5 and Assassins Creed 2 that were later sold as "DLC" were actually just content that is locked out and when you pay for it you are paying for a code to unlock the content so you have access to it.  This is a horrible DLC model so much so those that are tech savy find this and put this info on the internet. THere is no Download history for those games because you don't download a damn thing.

THis is not the case here with Bioware's games.

Definitely not the case. From the early info I saw, the Zaeed launch day DLC is 500MB. It is most certainly not just an unlock.

[crimzontearz]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

What Capcom and Ubisoft did is not cut off the parts from the game what they did is locked the content on the disc. All the content on RE 5 and Assassins Creed 2 that were later sold as "DLC" were actually just content that is locked out and when you pay for it you are paying for a code to unlock the content so you have access to it.  This is a horrible DLC model so much so those that are tech savy find this and put this info on the internet. THere is no Download history for those games because you don't download a damn thing.

THis is not the case here with Bioware's games.

Definitely not the case. From the early info I saw, the Zaeed launch day DLC is 500MB. It is most certainly not just an unlock.

well the concept remains the same even tho THIS practice adds insult to the injury

[Annihilator27]

I hope the EA servers arent as bad as it is for DA: Origins

[artakartel]

Here's a sneak peek at the Cerberus network.
http://www.justin.tv...aming#r=NADcKrE

[Permutation]

Arta, please stop posting that link. Chris has already made it quite clear no spoilers are allowed on this board. That includes live gameplay of the full game (Duh!).

[Spartan_TT117]

Maybe this was answered some time earlier (couldn't possibly read all the way through) but is this "Launch Day" DLC only available to those who access the network on the 26th?

[izmirtheastarach]

Spartan_TT117 wrote...

Maybe this was answered some time earlier (couldn't possibly read all the way through) but is this "Launch Day" DLC only available to those who access the network on the 26th?

No. It will be available to anyone who purchases the game new.

[DocLasty]

It also shows an embarrassing lack of understanding in how games are made. The time it takes to make a game has zero relation to the play time of the game and the cost to add features to a game cannot be measured as a ratio to the rest of the game. To even suggest such a thing is... humorously misguided.

Leela: "Fry, there's nothing else here. You only wrote two pages of dialog."
Fry: "Well, it took an hour to write. I thought it would take an hour to read."

Modifié par DocLasty, 21 janvier 2010 - 05:35 .

[merikano]

the DLC content is never required, it's optional - always.

[Popstick]

If the DLC for Dragon Age is anything to go by, there will only be two or three 'items' worth spending points or money on. Everything else will just be useless or pointless items that become obsolete by the end of the game.

On a different note, most people have no idea of the complexities and different stages a game goes through before being 'finalised'. You dont just press a magic red button to create new content or a patch. It takes a massive amount of time and effort to create game content that might only last a couple of hours.
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[izmirtheastarach]

Popstick wrote...

If the DLC for Dragon Age is anything to go by, there will only be two or three 'items' worth spending points or money on. Everything else will just be useless or pointless items that become obsolete by the end of the game

Of course you must be correct, random troll. Trolls are after all a respected authority. Welcome to the forums.

[Jax Montag]

Eradyn wrote...

I find it an ingenious move to withdraw certain content and then offer it, to those who purchased the game, for free. This is both an anti-pirating move as well as an effort to encourage new game sales (instead of used game, which means they lose a potential sale). I have no qualms with it since the content returns to us free of charge for purchasing the game.

I agree with this statement, and also for those of us posting here: Why should we care?  I mean honestly who here has bought a used game from BioWare?  This is just a nice pat on the back for those of us who follow BW intently and but their games new.

[Splittheatom]

LuPoM wrote...

www.ea.com/news/bioware-unveils-the-cerberus-network 

At a certain points it states:

"...'The Cerberus Network'[/i] is a conduit for players to receive bonus content as well as daily messages and news on upcoming releases for Mass Effect 2[/i] for no extra charge. For players who do not buy the game new, 'The Cerberus Network[/i]' can be unlocked through a one-time, in-game purchase of a new activation code*.
...
*Activation is tied to a specific EA Online account and is non-transferable."

Now.. what's wrong in understanding in that? EA iself stated that every NEW copy of Mass Effect 2 gets an access code for The Cerberus Network which provides FREE downloadable additional content, BUT if you buy the game used, you have to pay for the access on The Cerberus Network since it's tied to a specific EA Online account and since you already paid less for an used copy of the game which gave EA and BioWare 0 profit!

As for my point of view, it's a Win - Win situation

I don't think so. DLC cannot be free because Bioware release "Bioware Points" to people without credit card.Look at the cover - http://merlin.pl/Pun...t/8,752650.html . Actually you can use this point to buy additional content to Mass Effect 2 or Dragon Age.

[LuPoM]

The same BioWare Points which you need to use to buy The Cerberus Network access code if you buy ME2 for PC used...



We can just speculate till the game will be out, but as for now, relying to the words said by them, EVERY dlc will be free of charge if you have access to The Cerberus Network.

[adam_grif]

LuPoM wrote...

www.ea.com/news/bioware-unveils-the-cerberus-network 

At a certain points it states:

"...'The Cerberus Network'[/i] is a conduit for players to receive bonus content as well as daily messages and news on upcoming releases for Mass Effect 2[/i] for no extra charge. For players who do not buy the game new, 'The Cerberus Network[/i]' can be unlocked through a one-time, in-game purchase of a new activation code*.
...
*Activation is tied to a specific EA Online account and is non-transferable."

Now.. what's wrong in understanding in that? EA iself stated that every NEW copy of Mass Effect 2 gets an access code for The Cerberus Network which provides FREE downloadable additional content, BUT if you buy the game used, you have to pay for the access on The Cerberus Network since it's tied to a specific EA Online account and since you already paid less for an used copy of the game which gave EA and BioWare 0 profit!

As for my point of view, it's a Win - Win situation

Reading comprehension is your friend.

The statement says:

- The Cerberus Network is a conduit for players to recieve bonus content and daily messages on upcoming releases for ME2
- The Cerberus Network does not cost money to use

It makes no comment on the pricing for DLC, although Bioware has separately confirmed that the DLC that will be available at launch will be free. 

[Okogawa]

::sigh:: The way "The Cerberus Network" is implemented will not in any way hinder hackers to circumvent/bypass the control system an thus run any released DLC for Mass Effect 2. Period

[ev0k3r]

That's good to hear, let's hope that they don't drop the ball like they did with DAO's Ostagar DLC...

[Master Smurf]

adam_grif wrote...


Reading comprehension is your friend.

The statement says:

- The Cerberus Network is a conduit for players to recieve bonus content and daily messages on upcoming releases for ME2
- The Cerberus Network does not cost money to use

It makes no comment on the pricing for DLC, although Bioware has separately confirmed that the DLC that will be available at launch will be free. 

This is how I read it as well - ie Zaeed is free and Hammerhead (when it launches) most likely isnt.