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[kregano]

Nozybidaj wrote...

After launch, BioWare will release another DLC pack for Mass
Effect 2 that introduces the Hammerhead, a new vehicle in the Mass
Effect universe. This agile hover tank features improved handling on
rough terrain and maneuvers deftly in combat -- a necessity for players
traveling across harsh planetary environments throughout the galaxy. In
addition to this new vehicle, BioWare will release new missions and
unique in-game items, including Cerberus Assault Armor which boost
shields, health and heavy weapon ammo and the M-22 Eviscerator Shotgun."

This not so good.  Sounds like they decided to cut a large portion of the side missions out and sell it off as DLC.  I'm assuming this one is not free?  This one seems kinda "EA'ish" to me, pardon the term. <_<

As it has been mentioned before, the reason for releasing the Hammerhead as DLC probably has more to do with the fact that they couldn't fit it and the rest of the game content onto two DVDs, so they decided to release the Hammerhead as DLC to get around the DVD size limit. As for paying for it, the devs at Bioware definitely deserve some sort of compensation for putting in all that hard work and I for one have no problem paying them for their product.

[Gumbeaux Jr]

Sparten110 wrote...

This kind of reminds me of Halo Waypoint, kind of. Anyway the only bad thing about this is people who don't have LIVE are going to feel left out on.

It's only natural that this is happening though... with literally tens of millions of people connected to xbox live, those who are not able to connect are growing increasingly small and will be left out more often in the future.  Sucks, but true.

[SethSteiner]

quartzedge wrote...

ITSSEXYTIME wrote...

While it was a believable story for Shale to have been cut from DA:O and added to the game by the DLC team: Having their very next game have the exact same DLC format with a bonus party member pretty much proves that they just took something out of the game and labeled it DLC to prevent used game sales.

I guess you can't really blame them. They get little to no money at all on the sales of used games.

It seems that gamers today like to be ripped off. It`s our right to sell our games and now gamers themself defend such politics? That is really odd.

[Squallypo]

Litos456 wrote...

This is ridiculous. If they make us pay for the post-day one dlc I will be PISSED.
Why? All this stuff needed to be in the original game. It's ALREADY MADE AND DONE. They'll just wait a bit to release it for DLC. Now I'm ok with it if they're doing this to lower used game sales, BUT if they offer the DLC for a price that will be just wrong. Just, wrong. Maybe later, BIG dlc they can offer for a small price that is developed AFTER the game's release. But offering the ones that are already made (the hammerhead one specifically) is just wrong and merciless.

we all still waiting for some clarification about the hammerhead issue.

[Fredvdp]

Celrath wrote...

jakl201 wrote...

Now, I know so few people remember back on the old forums, how I said that I doubted the Hammerhead would be in vanilla ME:2, and that it would be introduced through DLC. This can be aimed towards Javier, if you'd like.

HAH. HAH HAH HAH. HAHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. HAH.

Don't act so smug.  

He won't look so smug with a hole in his head.

[Malastare-]

Nozybidaj wrote...

This not so good.  Sounds like they decided to cut a large portion of the side missions out and sell it off as DLC.  I'm assuming this one is not free?  This one seems kinda "EA'ish" to me, pardon the term. <_<

Unless you have different information, this falls into the same situation as the DLC for Dragon Age, and most specifically the Stone Prisoner DLC.

Bioware has stated repeatedly that they don't cut content from the game to release as DLC.  The main dev team does not produce DLC.  There is a separate DLC team.  During DA:O's production, they cut Stone Prisoner because they didn't have time or room for it.  The DLC team picked it up and finished it off while the main game was going through QA and production.  Since DLC takes so much less time to QA, its easy to finish and have it ready the day of release or shortly thereafter.  If the Hammerhead really was cut from the game to use as DLC, it would already be finished and ready to go.  The fact that it is not is a testament to the fact that Bioware didn't remove it just to pad the game with DLC.

Now.  Perhaps I'm wrong.  Feel free to cite some reliable source that contradicts me.

[Squallypo]

kregano wrote...

Nozybidaj wrote...

After launch, BioWare will release another DLC pack for Mass
Effect 2 that introduces the Hammerhead, a new vehicle in the Mass
Effect universe. This agile hover tank features improved handling on
rough terrain and maneuvers deftly in combat -- a necessity for players
traveling across harsh planetary environments throughout the galaxy. In
addition to this new vehicle, BioWare will release new missions and
unique in-game items, including Cerberus Assault Armor which boost
shields, health and heavy weapon ammo and the M-22 Eviscerator Shotgun."

This not so good.  Sounds like they decided to cut a large portion of the side missions out and sell it off as DLC.  I'm assuming this one is not free?  This one seems kinda "EA'ish" to me, pardon the term. <_<

As it has been mentioned before, the reason for releasing the Hammerhead as DLC probably has more to do with the fact that they couldn't fit it and the rest of the game content onto two DVDs, so they decided to release the Hammerhead as DLC to get around the DVD size limit. As for paying for it, the devs at Bioware definitely deserve some sort of compensation for putting in all that hard work and I for one have no problem paying them for their product.

so you saying we need to pay for something that was already done and  decided to be taken away from the disk either if it was for disk space? doesnt sound right to me.

[Nozybidaj]

Squallypo wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

This is ridiculous. If they make us pay for the post-day one dlc I will be PISSED....

we all still waiting for some clarification about the hammerhead issue.

Saw another thread on down that mentioned the Hammerhead would be free as well?  if so, my concerns would be laid to rest.  I have no issue paying for DLC like BDtS and the like but the Hammerhead really feels like it should be part of the core game.  I'm already assuming the Day One stuff will be free.

Would love to see a clarification on this.

Modifié par Nozybidaj, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:56 .

[Funkcase]

Why does everyone think this is just stuff took out of the game? Lets not forget ME2 went gold before xmas so they must have been doing something in that time,

[Litos456]

Squallypo wrote...
so you saying we need to pay for something that was already done and  decided to be taken away from the disk either if it was for disk space? doesnt sound right to me.

That was exactly my point. Again, I said IF. If they do this, I WILL be mad... I'll even try to start a revolt or something.
I understand they do a lot of hard work but every developer does a lot of hard work... selling something already done for more money is stupid, wrong, and just pure evil. Even if you worked hard on it it doesnt matter, you have to rely on those 50 dollars that are paid for the game (by PC users) and 60 by console users.

[ResidentNoob]

Malastare- wrote...

ResidentNoob wrote...

Crap. I don't have Xbox live.

Do you have an internet connection?  If your answer is no, then...

....[takes a few deep breaths]...

...then you don't need to worry about DLC.  Sell your Cerberus Network Card on Ebay.

If you have an internet connection, then an XBox Live Silver account is free.  Sign up for the silver account.  Download the DLC.  Done.

And so help me, if you're a PC user...

I have wireless internet, but I didn't get a modem free with the Xbox, and I only got the Xbox recently.

And I'm not about to fork out £60 to buy a modem when Mass Effect 2's so freakin' close.<_<

[Squallypo]

Nozybidaj wrote...

Squallypo wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

This is ridiculous. If they make us pay for the post-day one dlc I will be PISSED....

we all still waiting for some clarification about the hammerhead issue.

Saw another thread on done that mentioned the Hammerhead would be free as well?  if so, my concerns would be laid to rest.  I have no issue paying for DLC like BDtS and the like but the Hammerhead really feels like it should be part of the core game.  I'm already assuming the Day One stuff will be free.

Would love to see a clarification on this.

the hammerhead SHOULD BE AND MUST BE a part of the core game, its like saying for mass effect 1 we taking out the mako.

[Litos456]

Funkcase wrote...

Why does everyone think this is just stuff took out of the game? Lets not forget ME2 went gold before xmas so they must have been doing something in that time,

Because... this is clearly made prior to it going gold. Mako is a unique distinctive feature about mass effect. Obviously the hammerhead was made wayy back. Besides it doesnt matter when the game goes gold, it matters when it releases. They can't just make excuses saying we went gold during christmas and then made some new stuff but that doesnt matter because we made that after we said it went gold so we can sell it for an extra price. No, that's wrong.

Squallypo wrote...

the hammerhead SHOULD BE AND MUST BE a part of the core game, its like saying for mass effect 1 we taking out the mako.

this

[izmirtheastarach]

Litos456 wrote...

selling something already done for more money is stupid, wrong, and just pure evil.

What a ridiculous statement. Selling anything for aynthing is neither good or evil. It's called the free market.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:58 .

[BigNas]

wow so the people that payed for CE basically payed for it and people that got the regular version gets it for free.......does it sound fair?

[DarthCaine]

Funkcase wrote...

Why does everyone think this is just stuff took out of the game? Lets not forget ME2 went gold before xmas so they must have been doing something in that time,

Because both Zaeed and the Hammerhead were planned from the beginning, as you can see from the earliest artwork

[tommo223]

So that review that stated, that there are no player controled vehicles in the game, were full of IT?

[Litos456]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Litos456 wrote...

selling something already done for more money is stupid, wrong, and just pure evil.

What a ridiculous statement. Selling anything for aynthing is neither good or evil. It's called the free market.

Just think about it. Some devs/publishers are getting really bloked with DLC, making a lot more money off it ever since it became popular. I just hope Bioware doesn't do that. We're fans, yeah, some ready to spend as much money as they need to get everything related to ME, but others aren't like that. I look from the more fair/critical side perspective than the fanatic perspective. I consider it wrong selling something that should have been in the core game for more money slightly later.

[Malastare-]

SethSteiner wrote...

It seems that gamers today like to be ripped off. It`s our right to sell our games and now gamers themself defend such politics? That is really odd.

You still have the right to sell your games.  No one is stealing that from you.  What they are saying is that you don't get to buy the game at prices well below retail, giving zero money to the developer, and expect to have a team of developers at Bioware give you free handouts.

Now, Valve releases free updates for Team Fortress 2.  Who knows how much money they spend on developers to keep that game fresh and pulling in new players.  I have to assume that they make little to no money off it directly (but more off of other sales).  That's one model.  To think that you have some right to force all software houses to use that model is just silly.  Understand that very, very few game companies will give you anything more than bugfixes without making you pay for them and that's the way it's been for quite some time.   DLC just gives game companies easier ways of releasing new content while still getting money for it.

[DarthCaine]

tommo223 wrote...

So that review that stated, that there are no player controled vehicles in the game, were full of IT?

Not exactly, they only played the core game. They didn't know EA would pull something like this

[DaftPaycheck]

Hmmm..turning the Hammerhead into DLC is a very very interesting concept to me. If it turns out like I'm guessing, I'd almost say it's ingenious. Unfortunately this will all be pretty much based solely on assumption/conjecture since we have so little info on that particular batch of DLC... Nevertheless I almost feel like the Hammerhead's implementation is Bioware's way of giving potentially extended explorable missions to those who want them while not penalizing those who abhor them.



With ME1 it seems there's a very definitive line between those who loved planet exploration and those who hated it, whether due to the generic layouts, geography or planets or the controls. So with ME2, it looks like they've been able to circumvent this problem all together by making the Hammerhead and any worlds where it's use is required as part of optional DLC that won't have any bearing on the game's original plotline.



This way, those who may have once again bemoaned the implementation of a vehicle will never have to experience it and still have access to the full launch version of the game, while those gamers who are willing to traverse every possible corner of ME's vast uncharted universe will hopefully have access to that ability not long after the game's intitial release.



Now obviously the success of the Hammerhead hinges upon several factors, primarily it's pricing, extent of it's usage/how many planets they will release with it, and just how soon after the game is released that it will be available for download.



Phew, rant over, count me as excited.

[izmirtheastarach]

tommo223 wrote...

So that review that stated, that there are no player controled vehicles in the game, were full of IT?

More likely they were either unaware, or where under NDA.

[crimzontearz]

tommo223 wrote...

So that review that stated, that there are no player controled vehicles in the game, were full of IT?

no they were right since in the main game withouth DLC there is NO hammerhead

[LuPoM]

BigNas wrote...

wow so the people that payed for CE basically payed for it and people that got the regular version gets it for free.......does it sound fair?

You DON'T pay the CE for IT! You pay the CE for the tin can box, the artbook, the novel included, the collector's armor and weapon and the soundtrack if I'm not wrong.. NOT for the Cerberus Access Card, which is a bundle for everyone

[izmirtheastarach]

LuPoM wrote...

BigNas wrote...

wow so the people that payed for CE basically payed for it and people that got the regular version gets it for free.......does it sound fair?

You DON'T pay the CE for IT! You pay the CE for the tin can box, the artbook, the novel included, the collector's armor and weapon and the soundtrack if I'm not wrong.. NOT for the Cerberus Access Card, which is a bundle for everyone

QFT