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[Karlone123]

Anyone who hasn't read Asunder will probably not know that events in that adventure is what set off the Mage-Templar War, and would think that Anders destoying the Chantry in Kirkwall and the Meredith calling for the Right of Annulment. But would you say that what happened in Kirkwall at the end, set in motion for the Mage-Templat War?

Note:I have not read Asunder yet, but know the most important thing, but I may be missing on some things.

[Knight of Dane]

Kirkwall started turning the wheels, Asunder just made the cart go down hill.

[RazorrX]

Kirkwall was the kerosene, Asunder was the flamethrower applied to the Kerosene.

Kirkwall started mages talking of rebellion, made the chantry/templars nervous and thus they began to tighten even further. The annual gathering in Cumberland was stopped, etc. Mages were put under even closer watch, not allowed to leave, etc.

Then came the events of Asunder and it exploded.

[Fast Jimmy]

RazorrX wrote...

Then came the events of Asunder and it exploded.

A funny choice of words.

[Plaintiff]

Nothing "set off" anything. Massive international conflicts do not occur in a vacuum. The mage-templar was is the result of a thousand years of increasing tensions. It was inevitable.

[Nightwriter]

Didn't read it. Hope the game fills me in a bit.

[Heimdall]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Kirkwall started turning the wheels, Asunder just made the cart go down hill.

Yup, Kirkwall got the other circles and Templars all up in arms.  A circle in... Rivain I think, was annulled because of the tensions that arose.  This all led to the volatile situation in Asunder.

[Heimdall]

Plaintiff wrote...

Nothing "set off" anything. Massive international conflicts do not occur in a vacuum. The mage-templar was is the result of a thousand years of increasing tensions. It was inevitable.

Yes, but that just means a different spark later might have set it off.  What sparked off this war was Asunder, in a situation primed for conflict by Kirkwall, after a thousand years of build up.

[Karlone123]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Nothing "set off" anything. Massive international conflicts do not occur in a vacuum. The mage-templar was is the result of a thousand years of increasing tensions. It was inevitable.

Yes, but that just means a different spark later might have set it off.  What sparked off this war was Asunder, in a situation primed for conflict by Kirkwall, after a thousand years of build up.

Funny how it takes a thousand years for somebody or something to do something about it.

[RazorrX]

Karlone123 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Nothing "set off" anything. Massive international conflicts do not occur in a vacuum. The mage-templar was is the result of a thousand years of increasing tensions. It was inevitable.

Yes, but that just means a different spark later might have set it off.  What sparked off this war was Asunder, in a situation primed for conflict by Kirkwall, after a thousand years of build up.

Funny how it takes a thousand years for somebody or something to do something about it.

Actually, it may not have been so bad for the full thousand years.  The first few may have been problematic, but that may have followed with a few hundred where mages were actually okay with the circle.  There were several more blights where mages were needed to fight, each time they gain more respect.  Then there was the qunari invasion that was driven off mainly by use of mages.  It is most likely that the really bad times are only a couple hundred years or so.

[Fast Jimmy]

RazorrX wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Nothing "set off" anything. Massive international conflicts do not occur in a vacuum. The mage-templar was is the result of a thousand years of increasing tensions. It was inevitable.

Yes, but that just means a different spark later might have set it off.  What sparked off this war was Asunder, in a situation primed for conflict by Kirkwall, after a thousand years of build up.

Funny how it takes a thousand years for somebody or something to do something about it.

Actually, it may not have been so bad for the full thousand years.  The first few may have been problematic, but that may have followed with a few hundred where mages were actually okay with the circle.  There were several more blights where mages were needed to fight, each time they gain more respect.  Then there was the qunari invasion that was driven off mainly by use of mages.  It is most likely that the really bad times are only a couple hundred years or so.

Another things to consider is that it could be conceivable that these tears in the Veil were not caused by one event, neccessarily, but a gradual and deliberate weakening of the Veil over years, decades or maybe centuries. I have nothing to base that assumption off of, but let's just say it was true... could that have resulted in demons able to reach into the minds of Mages more easily in recent times, making the Templars' job much more dangerous and difficult, while making Mages much more vulnerable? 

That theory, while 100% theoretical, could help explain why tensions have fired up after relatively 1,000 years of stability.

[wolfhowwl]

So Hawke, the person Bioware described as "the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age," becomes even more irrelevant.

So much for the "rise to power."

[Zack_Nero]

Well, I will say that the events from Asunder was the final push for the war, but the DA2 ending was the initial start.

Modifié par Zack_Nero, 21 septembre 2013 - 04:22 .

[Karlone123]

wolfhowwl wrote...

So Hawke, the person Bioware described as "the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age," becomes even more irrelevant.

So much for the "rise to power."

Someone suggested that Hawke might have been planned to be the Inquisitor, but that might have changed if true. It would fit in with "Rise to power" Hawke being in charge of the Inquisition.

Modifié par Karlone123, 21 septembre 2013 - 03:58 .

[AresKeith]

wolfhowwl wrote...

So Hawke, the person Bioware described as "the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age," becomes even more irrelevant.

So much for the "rise to power."

Well the only "Power" Hawke really rose to was Champion of Kirkwall

[Kalas Magnus]

Karlone123 wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

So Hawke, the person Bioware described as "the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age," becomes even more irrelevant.

So much for the "rise to power."

Someone suggested that Hawke might have been planned to be the Inquisitor, but that might have changed if true. It would fit in with "Rise to power" Hawke being in charge of the Inquisition.

that would have been so awesome 

[Nightdragon8]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Nothing "set off" anything. Massive international conflicts do not occur in a vacuum. The mage-templar was is the result of a thousand years of increasing tensions. It was inevitable.

Yes, but that just means a different spark later might have set it off.  What sparked off this war was Asunder, in a situation primed for conflict by Kirkwall, after a thousand years of build up.

sadly I would also have to disagree, the term "set off" is when coupled with the world pouder keg. which is an explosive.

In this case the pouder keg is the rasing tentions between Templars and mages, the "Set off" would be kirkwall, where Merdith did her thing. (which apartently isn't the real case) 

So yes this would be the correct.

But you aren't wrong in that civil war doesn't start in a vacuum. its just there is always an "Event" that starts open warfare.

[Plaintiff]

RazorrX wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Nothing "set off" anything. Massive international conflicts do not occur in a vacuum. The mage-templar was is the result of a thousand years of increasing tensions. It was inevitable.

Yes, but that just means a different spark later might have set it off.  What sparked off this war was Asunder, in a situation primed for conflict by Kirkwall, after a thousand years of build up.

Funny how it takes a thousand years for somebody or something to do something about it.

Actually, it may not have been so bad for the full thousand years.  The first few may have been problematic, but that may have followed with a few hundred where mages were actually okay with the circle.  There were several more blights where mages were needed to fight, each time they gain more respect.  Then there was the qunari invasion that was driven off mainly by use of mages.  It is most likely that the really bad times are only a couple hundred years or so.

Except they haven't been getting more respect. THe Chantry gives no credit to the mages for their part in driving off the Qunari or in any other conflict.

[Sir JK]

Plaintiff wrote...

Except they haven't been getting more respect. THe Chantry gives no credit to the mages for their part in driving off the Qunari or in any other conflict.

Actually, from the sounds of it it sounds like it's closer to that they've lost respect.
The first andrastian circles were established in a compromise between Drakon, the Chantry, the Inqusition and the Mages. The inquisition being the last party to enter the alliance (Drakon had been allied with mages for 15 years when the circles were formed).
It took 160 years before anyone even came up with the idea of the Rite of Tranquility, suggesting that for the first 5-8 generations they either did not have any out of control circles or at the very leats no routine for handling them.

The codex is also littered with circle mages in high positions, nobles of course. Particularily Nevarran and Orlesian.  Kinloch (Ferelden) seemed to have sword-training for it's mages until fairly recently.

It paints a picture that suggests, to me, that either the circles are at their worst now or it varies between the ages. Suggesting that the reason there's been no large rebellions before is that things have never really been this bad before.

[myahele]

AresKeith wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

So Hawke, the person Bioware described as "the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age," becomes even more irrelevant.

So much for the "rise to power."

Well the only "Power" Hawke really rose to was Champion of Kirkwall

After watching dawn of the seeker I am even less impressed by Hawke. I would think that Cassandra is more of an important person than Hawke

[Eterna]

Hawke's story is unfinished and will remain unfinished unfortunately. I have no doubt Hawke was meant to be bigger than he/she currently is.

[The Six Path of Pain]

wolfhowwl wrote...

So Hawke, the person Bioware described as "the single most important character in the world of Dragon Age," becomes even more irrelevant.

So much for the "rise to power."

Pretty much dude. Ah well, it's not like Hawke had any power to begin with.

[DarkSpiral]

The events in Asunder were DA's "shot heard round the world."

People can argue over whatever semantics they like about what word best fit the event, but the conclusion of Asunder is certainly the first literal battle of the war.

Next (in Inquisition) we find out how much actual significance the Mage/Templar war has. Given the climate that's been described, it may not be as significant as it seemed it would be. Looking forward to that.

[Quatre]

Lord Aesir wrote...
 A circle in... Rivain I think, was annulled because of the tensions that arose.  This all led to the volatile situation in Asunder.

Actually, the circle of Dairsmuid, Rivain, was annulled after the White Spire "incident" in Asunder.