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[Heimdall]

BlueMagitek wrote...

LA, just leave it, such a rude response isn't worthy of comment.

Oh, I am trying, believe me 

[BlueMagitek]

Uh, the Templar Order *was* the Inquisition, it was not a part of the Chantry until the two reached a treaty.

You seem to be under the belief that the Chantry started the Inquisition. :/

[Heimdall]

FreshIstay wrote...

The Templars are an Army:happy:
They Were the Chantry' s Military Branch who fought in the Exalted Marches, also with the first Inquisition.
Yep.

Points refuted.

With wiki quote proof?  Uh huh, keep trying.

You haven't proven they do anything more than guard or hunt mages.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:02 .

[LobselVith8]

Medhia Nox wrote...

To keep on topic.

I think the elves have been the engineers of their own demise since Arlathan.

Since Arlathan? The ancient elves simply wanted to be left alone when disease and mortality crept in, according to elven lore. I'd blame Tevinter for enslaving the Arlathan elves and destroying their homeland. I certainly think the role Tevinter played in bringing ruin to elven society should bring up some interesting possibilities for a Dalish Inquisitor traveling to the Imperium.

[BlueMagitek]

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

[Heimdall]

FreshIstay wrote...



If you don't like the Wiki, you already said the official DA Encyclopedia pictures dont work because it's concept art BUT Its not really a concept if it's portraying something that already happend. In this case the were Portraying Templars in full plate with spears in their hands on the very same page that describes Exalted Marches, with a description Exalted March under the picture.

Umm, yeah, concept art is still concept art, sorry to break this to you.

Why are you so keen on this being true when nothing in the games support it?  The primary purpose of the Templars is to confront magical threats.  Do you really think they have entire armies waiting in reserve?

[Hellion Rex]

BlueMagitek wrote...

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

While that post was a bit blunt BlueMagitek, I agree. There are MUCH BIGGER issues to worry about. Cultural issues kinda have to be pushed to the wayside, especially as the Inquisitor. We have a job to do, after all.

[BlueMagitek]

I am afraid that being blunt is sometimes the only way to get things across. While the history of Tevinter and what Thedas was like prior to human arrival is a worthy pursuit of knowledge, well, worry more about the gaping chest wound you're sporting than the hang-nail.

And seriously, if the Chantry wanted an army, why make one as expensive as the Templars? While you can argue about lyrium being a leash all day, and it's true to an extent, it's used for fighting magical foes. If the Chantry was fielding an army to face non magical threats, it wouldn't be one that required a very valuable resource for upkeep.

[AlexanderCousland]

Lord Aesir wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

The Templars are an Army:happy:
They Were the Chantry' s Military Branch who fought in the Exalted Marches, also with the first Inquisition.
Yep.

Points refuted.

With wiki quote proof?  Uh huh, keep trying.

You haven't proven they do anything more than guard or hunt mages.

They fight wars too dude;)

They are the first line of defense, and the Wiki requires sources, and those sources are listed on the page, they are official bioware sources  

Like this one that says they are the First line of defense to a Threat to the Chantry :

http://blog.bioware....nd-the-coterie/

[AlexanderCousland]

Lord Aesir wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...



If you don't like the Wiki, you already said the official DA Encyclopedia pictures dont work because it's concept art BUT Its not really a concept if it's portraying something that already happend. In this case the were Portraying Templars in full plate with spears in their hands on the very same page that describes Exalted Marches, with a description Exalted March under the picture.

Umm, yeah, concept art is still concept art, sorry to break this to you.

Why are you so keen on this being true when nothing in the games support it?  The primary purpose of the Templars is to confront magical threats.  Do you really think they have entire armies waiting in reserve?

Okay so concept art BY BIOWARE THAT SHOWS TEMPLARS IN RANKS WITH THE DESCRIPTION "EXALTED MARCH" doesnt count because it's concept art, is that what your saying?

[LobselVith8]

BlueMagitek wrote...

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

There's a war between mages and templars across Thedas, and a civil war in Orlais. Focusing solely on the tear in the Fade and ignoring the reality of what's going on around the protagonist? Glossing over a society that enslaved the ancient elves and threatened Thedas before the Qunari distracted them, and continues to practice slavery in modern day Thedas, would be rather boring.

[Dean_the_Young]

LobselVith8 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

There's a war between mages and templars across Thedas, and a civil war in Orlais. Focusing solely on the tear in the Fade and ignoring the reality of what's going on around the protagonist? Glossing over a society that enslaved the ancient elves and threatened Thedas before the Qunari distracted them, and continues to practice slavery in modern day Thedas, would be rather boring.

...uh, if you ignore the whole 'war between mages and templars across Thedas' and 'civil war in Orlais' and 'literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor our', sure. Boring.

Focusing on reviving an ancient kingdom that no one, even its advocates, actually know much about and even fewer people actually want? Kind of missing where the action and drama is, even if we ignore the immorality of the ideas of implementation.

[Medhia Nox]

I'll quote Flemeth for this one: "I laugh at a world full of stupid humans, who ignore the Blight's evil and abandon their vigilance to pursue mortal goals."

Elves: Free the elves!  Yeah, rebellion! 
Demons: What's an elf?  Just harvest that meatsack!

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:57 .

[LobselVith8]

eluvianix wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

While that post was a bit blunt BlueMagitek, I agree. There are MUCH BIGGER issues to worry about. Cultural issues kinda have to be pushed to the wayside, especially as the Inquisitor. We have a job to do, after all. 

The protagonist is choosing allies, making choices, and reacting to what's going on around him. Since the protagonist is getting involved in local events, I don't see any reason to mute the cultural values and views of a Dalish Inquisitor who is visiting Orlais or Tevinter. We're supposed to be playing as a living person, not an automatron.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:58 .

[AlexanderCousland]

Lord Aesir wrote..
Umm, yeah, concept art is still concept art, sorry to break this to you.

Why are you so keen on this being true when nothing in the games support it?  The primary purpose of the Templars is to confront magical threats.  Do you really think they have entire armies waiting in reserve?

So for this guy and anyone else who questions wether or not Templars can be a standing army 
This is the official description of the Templar specialization from DA2:

"The strong arm of theChantry, templars serve as guardians of the Circles of Magi, hunters of apostatesand maleficarum, and rarely, as a standing army at the command of the Divine. Through ingestion of carefully prepared lyrium, templars gain resistance to magic, including the ability to interrupt spells. Though the Chantry controls the lyrium trade, those with the right connections can acquire enough to emulate the abilities of these vigilantwarriors."

If you don't beleive just play the game and see for yourself. Done here.

[Hellion Rex]

LobselVith8 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

While that post was a bit blunt BlueMagitek, I agree. There are MUCH BIGGER issues to worry about. Cultural issues kinda have to be pushed to the wayside, especially as the Inquisitor. We have a job to do, after all. 

The protagonist is choosing allies, making choices, and reacting to what's going on around him. Since the protagonist is getting involved in local events, I don't see any reason to mute the cultural values and views of a Dalish Inquisitor who is visiting Orlais or Tevinter. We're supposed to be playing as a living person, not an automatron.

Touche. You bring up a good point as well. I suppose you have to find that balance between your own agenda and your duty as Inquisitor.

[Hellion Rex]

*post redacted*

Modifié par eluvianix, 27 septembre 2013 - 03:05 .

[Plaintiff]

EntropicAngel wrote...

FreshIstay wrote...

http://blog.bioware....nd-the-coterie/

Hmm. That's very, very interesting.

So it was the Chantry that got the Templars to stop hunting mages.

More ammo against the "The Chantry is Evolz" group. I like it.

Because slavery is a vast improvement?

[LobselVith8]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

There's a war between mages and templars across Thedas, and a civil war in Orlais. Focusing solely on the tear in the Fade and ignoring the reality of what's going on around the protagonist? Glossing over a society that enslaved the ancient elves and threatened Thedas before the Qunari distracted them, and continues to practice slavery in modern day Thedas, would be rather boring.

...uh, if you ignore the whole 'war between mages and templars across Thedas' and 'civil war in Orlais' and 'literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor our', sure. Boring.

Dealing with (and reacting to) local events means the protagonist isn't focusing exclusively on the veil tears. I certainly doubt the pro-Chantry and pro-templar posters in this thread would advocate focusing solely on the veil tears, and nothing else, when it comes to their own factions.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Focusing on reviving an ancient kingdom that no one, even its advocates, actually know much about and even fewer people actually want? Kind of missing where the action and drama is, even if we ignore the immorality of the ideas of implementation. 

The Dalish culture is about holding into their cultural values and their religious practices, as well as their refusal to capitulate to human rule or the Chantry of Andraste. I don't see any reason to play as a Dalish elf and denigrate everything that makes them who they are.

[Dean_the_Young]

LobselVith8 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

While that post was a bit blunt BlueMagitek, I agree. There are MUCH BIGGER issues to worry about. Cultural issues kinda have to be pushed to the wayside, especially as the Inquisitor. We have a job to do, after all. 

The protagonist is choosing allies, making choices, and reacting to what's going on around him. Since the protagonist is getting involved in local events, I don't see any reason to mute the cultural values and views of a Dalish Inquisitor who is visiting Orlais or Tevinter. We're supposed to be playing as a living person, not an automatron.

Sure. But ignorring the false delimma, if we're going to play as a Dalish, shouldn't we want views compatible with the in-universe depiction of Dalish viewpoints and perspectives?

Last I checked, there weren't any credible Dalish proponents of the tribes unifying, invading Orlais, and establishing a new Dalish state in the historic Dales. That's always been more of a fanwank fantasy: even the more vehement/revaunchist Dalish characters we've met have had little interest in abandoning nomadism.

[Hellion Rex]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

There's a war between mages and templars across Thedas, and a civil war in Orlais. Focusing solely on the tear in the Fade and ignoring the reality of what's going on around the protagonist? Glossing over a society that enslaved the ancient elves and threatened Thedas before the Qunari distracted them, and continues to practice slavery in modern day Thedas, would be rather boring.

...uh, if you ignore the whole 'war between mages and templars across Thedas' and 'civil war in Orlais' and 'literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor our', sure. Boring.

Focusing on reviving an ancient kingdom that no one, even its advocates, actually know much about and even fewer people actually want? Kind of missing where the action and drama is, even if we ignore the immorality of the ideas of implementation.

Immorality? What immorality is there in what he would like to see in this next game?

[Hellion Rex]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

If a Dalish Inquisitor is stuck up over Arlathan when there's a literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor out, he has issues.

While that post was a bit blunt BlueMagitek, I agree. There are MUCH BIGGER issues to worry about. Cultural issues kinda have to be pushed to the wayside, especially as the Inquisitor. We have a job to do, after all. 

The protagonist is choosing allies, making choices, and reacting to what's going on around him. Since the protagonist is getting involved in local events, I don't see any reason to mute the cultural values and views of a Dalish Inquisitor who is visiting Orlais or Tevinter. We're supposed to be playing as a living person, not an automatron.

Sure. But ignorring the false delimma, if we're going to play as a Dalish, shouldn't we want views compatible with the in-universe depiction of Dalish viewpoints and perspectives?

Last I checked, there weren't any credible Dalish proponents of the tribes unifying, invading Orlais, and establishing a new Dalish state in the historic Dales. That's always been more of a fanwank fantasy: even the more vehement/revaunchist Dalish characters we've met have had little interest in abandoning nomadism.

Fanwank fantasy? That is extremely rude. What he wants in the game has just as much a place on this thread as any of your ideas do.

[Dean_the_Young]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

There's a war between mages and templars across Thedas, and a civil war in Orlais. Focusing solely on the tear in the Fade and ignoring the reality of what's going on around the protagonist? Glossing over a society that enslaved the ancient elves and threatened Thedas before the Qunari distracted them, and continues to practice slavery in modern day Thedas, would be rather boring.

...uh, if you ignore the whole 'war between mages and templars across Thedas' and 'civil war in Orlais' and 'literal split in the sky as the Fade is ripped apart and demons poor our', sure. Boring.

Dealing with (and reacting to) local events means the protagonist isn't focusing exclusively on the veil tears. I certainly doubt the pro-Chantry and pro-templar posters in this thread would advocate focusing solely on the veil tears, and nothing else, when it comes to their own factions.

And since no one is suggesting the game should, why are you bringing it up?

You made a silly statement that a good number of exotic, dangerous, and potentially dramatic things that could easily provide a vast majority of the context and content of the game would be boring if they didn't include your pet topic. You were being silly, as you have a habit of being, and so were being made light of. Nothing more, nothing less.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Focusing on reviving an ancient kingdom that no one, even its advocates, actually know much about and even fewer people actually want? Kind of missing where the action and drama is, even if we ignore the immorality of the ideas of implementation. 

The Dalish culture is about holding into their cultural values and their religious practices, as well as their refusal to capitulate to human rule or the Chantry of Andraste. I don't see any reason to play as a Dalish elf and denigrate everything that makes them who they are.

Who is denigrating? Your dalish state-building fetish aside, building a state isn't a cultural value or religious practice of the Dalish.

You continue to advocate a variety of policies that not only strains feasibility and morality considerations, but one which the contemporary Dalish themselves have shown little interest in. Their cultural values and religious practices have heavily adopted nomadism, and there is no sign of any pan-Dalish movement, popular or driven by its leaders, to go and take back parts of Orlais.

That's not a Dalish cultural value. That's you, and a small number of Dalish advoacates... and not even all the Dalish advocates believe that's a good idea. The game won't be boring if it doesn't include it.