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[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
If the elf dream in act 2 is sent to the Imperium to Master his powers he becomes an apprentice to one but then again that is a very speical case.

Fernis is a half-elf, though, and and half-elfs look (and apparently are) entirely human. DA2 did weird things with trying to make his face look kind of elven, but he can easily hide that. 

Feynriel you mean?

And indeed when Elves mate with Humans, Humans Are produced but that doesn't mean that boys blood isn't any less elven.

Any blood spell used on him once they put him in their circle there would reveal he had elf blood.

And that would likely become common knowledge overnight.

Politics dictate everything within the Imperium after all.

Not Politics...Power dictates  everything.

[BlueMagitek]

Well she did take a murder knife to the abdomen. That tends to put a damper on such things. ;P

Besides, it's use, that we know of, is "talk to or transport from point a to point b". It isn't like it is a ring of wishes, or something.

[leaguer of one]

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

Why would it be a good idea to keep the thing?

[Master Warder Z_]

eluvianix wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Atrocities?

Bit dramatic don't you think?

It was a war and Orlais and the Chantry won.

War is bloody and costly but i don't delude myself into thinking any side in most have moral superiority over the other.

Genocide. It'll be answered.

 I strongly doubt that.

Or at least not in the way you intend, beside even if Orlais or the "Chantry" Answered it doesn't restore the Dales, or the Centuries of Lost Knowledge and pontential. No its better to steep the wound and start over.

I personally hope to finally kick the Elves into the grave permantly.

And by that i mean the Dalish.

Clinging to a history of defeat they are a dead end and need to be removed for the future to open up, A singularity is coming. A need for the peoples of Thedas to unite and those who would stand against that will be...pushed aside.

Besides Genocide isn't so high a price when you consider the outcome in history, Orlais became a regional and eventual thedas wide superpower due to that conflict, it united the chantry under Orlais and firmly cemented them through out the world because of that?

You see the world entering an era of prosperty until the Qunari ruin it.

But even their hertical Qun couldn't stand up to the might of the Chantry, They were driven to a standstill and then pushed back inch by inch until they were shoved back to the edges of their conquered territory.

Orlais because it won that war saw the world win against one of the worst menaces to plague thedas since the begining of recorded history. Of course i can see why people would ignore that truth and focus on events of the distant past and somehow cling to the delusion that undoing one of the Balwarks of Humanity you somehow undue some "injustice" against the elves.

Its just petty to me though.

And yet, the Qunari remain knocking on the doors...

Also, the Dalish are not finished yet. The possibilities of recovering their lost secrets seem to still hold an important part in the games. For example, Merrill's Eluvian. Also, we had a whole freakin DLC revolving around that Dalish artifact.

The Qunari are still a threat, i don't deny it but they were driven back and got a bloody nose for their underestimation of the Chantry.

Do you realize in the brief bits of dilogue revolving around the Imperiums current war with the Qunari you hear of them going back and forth upon Sehron so either you buy into Fenris's belief that the Qunari merely restrict themselves to fighting this one front war when they are capable of much more or my personal belief that the last war taught them a viable lesson.

Thedas isn't to be underestimated again.

Because recall if you will, four exalted marches drove the Qunari back, EVERY nation banded together, even nations that left each other to Blights joined together and marching against the Qun.

I think the Qunari realize that taking Mainland Thedas would be far more effort then they could acomplish, they succeded in taking portions of Nerrava, Antiva and Rivain true but they advanced no further because by then the martial might of thedas was called against them and the centuries of warfare that followed drove not Thedas back but the Qunari.

So the Qunari still exist yes, But will they attempt invasion again? If they don't want to begin a war they cannot complete? they will not, They don't have the numbers, resources of logistical basis to win it and they wont start it until they do.

But the thing is?

I don't they think they ever will.

To the other point.

My meaning is this; When you restrict yourselfs to attempting to bring the glories of the past you close your eyes to all alternatives, that world is the one you will restore and anything that stands against your "vision" will be removed. The Dalish ultimately want to restore something that cannot be allowed to exist because it will threaten humanity, I have no hatred for the fictional elves of DA, in fact i have rommanced two of them over the course of both installments but my point is this.

You cannot cling to the past when you wish to acheive unity.

You must focus forward, not backwards.

And unity is what you will need in Thedas in the coming days.

Both Hawke and the Warden understood that.

Well at least mine did.

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

I do love how you hate player agency.

[Hellion Rex]

BlueMagitek wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Don't worry. I think Orlais' a** is in the fire, and it won't be long before it crumbles entirely. And the Qunari scare me MUCH MORE than Orlais ever could. The Orlesians are corrupt to the extreme and the Qunari's technological advancements could potentially overcome the magical weapons of other nations.

Depending on how the novel goes, putting Orlais back together could well be a part of the main questline; under Celeste or Gaspard.

I hope we are given a better look into Gaspard's character. Beyond his desire for the throne, I feel like I am still kind of in the dark as to why the civil war is even occuring.

[BlueMagitek]

eluvianix wrote...
I hope we are given a better look into Gaspard's character. Beyond his desire for the throne, I feel like I am still kind of in the dark as to why the civil war is even occuring.

It's probably Celestine's fault.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

Why would it be a good idea to keep the thing?

You never know. It could help fix the Veil...

[Hellion Rex]

BlueMagitek wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
I hope we are given a better look into Gaspard's character. Beyond his desire for the throne, I feel like I am still kind of in the dark as to why the civil war is even occuring.

It's probably Celestine's fault.

Again, if I end up having to support one or the other, I hope this book will give us some insight. If nothing, we can watch people playing the Game again. Despite its obvious political allegories, I find it fascinating.

[BlueMagitek]

eluvianix wrote...
You never know. It could help fix the Veil...

Nothing is worth the cost of seeing Merrill a third time? 

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

Why would it be a good idea to keep the thing?

You never know. It could help fix the Veil...

The thing that can get tainted can fix the veil? Added, others exsist.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

Once again your hoping too much, just like how you want the Mage/Templar war to be the main plot

[Master Warder Z_]

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
If the elf dream in act 2 is sent to the Imperium to Master his powers he becomes an apprentice to one but then again that is a very speical case.

Fernis is a half-elf, though, and and half-elfs look (and apparently are) entirely human. DA2 did weird things with trying to make his face look kind of elven, but he can easily hide that. 

Feynriel you mean?

And indeed when Elves mate with Humans, Humans Are produced but that doesn't mean that boys blood isn't any less elven.

Any blood spell used on him once they put him in their circle there would reveal he had elf blood.

And that would likely become common knowledge overnight.

Politics dictate everything within the Imperium after all.

Not Politics...Power dictates  everything.

I Do love how you randomly pop up and attempt to impart insight.

That said, Power isn't want runs the Imperium, It is the focus but not the means.

The Imperium works as it does do to Politics, If it was all a power game then it would have collapsed but the Magisters share a common ground that allows them to unite; Why? Politics.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...


I hope we are given a better look into Gaspard's character. Beyond his desire for the throne, I feel like I am still kind of in the dark as to why the civil war is even occuring.

I'm betting he is pro freedom for elves but wants to invade Fereldin.

[BlueMagitek]

eluvianix wrote...

Again, if I end up having to support one or the other, I hope this book will give us some insight. If nothing, we can watch people playing the Game again. Despite its obvious political allegories, I find it fascinating.

I'm going to guess that, for the sake of hard choices, one side will be for giving elves full citizenship and the other will be for giving mages full citizenship.   It would be fun to see some people deal with it. 

From my understanding, though, some of it has to do with Gaspard not being satisfied with how the Chevalier system currently is, and something about being the rightful heir?

[Hellion Rex]

BlueMagitek wrote...

eluvianix wrote...
You never know. It could help fix the Veil...

Nothing is worth the cost of seeing Merrill a third time? 

Not necessarily. I was referring to Morrigan's Eluvian, to be specific.

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

Once again your hoping too much, just like how you want the Mage/Templar war to be the main plot

It's probably going to be intertwined with the main plot, whether you like it or not. It's going to have a big role.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

Why would it be a good idea to keep the thing?

You never know. It could help fix the Veil...

The thing that can get tainted can fix the veil? Added, others exsist.

Morrigan's wasn't tainted, for all that we know.

[BlueMagitek]

eluvianix wrote...

Not necessarily. I was referring to Morrigan's Eluvian, to be specific.

Oh.

Well, my CE Warden sold her out to Flemeth and then told her about it, so she's probably busy with that.

Alternatively, no, I don't see why people would trust Morrigan.  It boggles the mind to see the justification involved in character. ~_~

[leaguer of one]

Master Warder Z wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...
If the elf dream in act 2 is sent to the Imperium to Master his powers he becomes an apprentice to one but then again that is a very speical case.

Fernis is a half-elf, though, and and half-elfs look (and apparently are) entirely human. DA2 did weird things with trying to make his face look kind of elven, but he can easily hide that. 

Feynriel you mean?

And indeed when Elves mate with Humans, Humans Are produced but that doesn't mean that boys blood isn't any less elven.

Any blood spell used on him once they put him in their circle there would reveal he had elf blood.

And that would likely become common knowledge overnight.

Politics dictate everything within the Imperium after all.

Not Politics...Power dictates  everything.

I Do love how you randomly pop up and attempt to impart insight.

That said, Power isn't want runs the Imperium, It is the focus but not the means.

The Imperium works as it does do to Politics, If it was all a power game then it would have collapsed but the Magisters share a common ground that allows them to unite; Why? Politics.

No I mean the power of magic. Sure politic has some power there but it means nothing if youare not a mage. Added usually the most powerful mages are the ones the the most control. Politics is what runs Orlais not Tevintor.

[Hellion Rex]

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...


I hope we are given a better look into Gaspard's character. Beyond his desire for the throne, I feel like I am still kind of in the dark as to why the civil war is even occuring.

I'm betting he is pro freedom for elves but wants to invade Fereldin.

Oh, good point. If I remember, Celene wanted to help Ferelden during the Blight.

[BlueMagitek]

eluvianix wrote...

Oh, good point. If I remember, Celene wanted to help Ferelden during the Blight.

Celene was going to political marriage Cailan and gain Ferelden back without firing a shot.

[leaguer of one]

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Acting as if Merrill, who can be a bloody smear and her mirror shattered, is going to play an important role, is rather silly. ~_^

Edit:

It may have been from that series.  I'm not the one who identified it.

Who knows? Perhaps she'll be retconned into being alive and the Eluvian intact. It'd certainly be doing a favor to any Hawkes who did otherwise.

Why would it be a good idea to keep the thing?

You never know. It could help fix the Veil...

The thing that can get tainted can fix the veil? Added, others exsist.

Morrigan's wasn't tainted, for all that we know.

But the one Merril has is not Morrigan's.

[Hellion Rex]

BlueMagitek wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Not necessarily. I was referring to Morrigan's Eluvian, to be specific.

Oh.

Well, my CE Warden sold her out to Flemeth and then told her about it, so she's probably busy with that.

Alternatively, no, I don't see why people would trust Morrigan.  It boggles the mind to see the justification involved in character. ~_~

She was my Warden's good friend. However, my Inquisitor has no clue who she is, and so must tread carefully. Who knows how she can change in 10 years.