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[Xilizhra]

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My post did not indicate that you were mad. I suppose the yelling bit could be construed as such, but please, every allegation against you still holds true.

Are you jealous because I'm always on the winning side?

Winning how, pray tell?

The side whose preferences tend to get upheld by Bioware, generally because they're less utterly malicious.

Creature of Pride, I see you:innocent:. No, but seriously, get off your high horse. Your preferences have just as much a chance at getting in as any of ours do. 

We shall see. But don't bet against me.

I remeber when Xil didn't want players to be able to side with the Templars in DA:I

Probably still thinks that too

It may well not be possible to side with the templars as differentiated from the Chantry.

Your preferences, except all the ones that never panned out and the
convictions you espoused that were completely off the mark and the
expectations you have for future events that will almost certainly never
be developed or reflected upon, have been upheld.

And the people
who disagree with you, you who have in the past defended and advocated
massive subversions of justice, aspire to arbitrary and unaccountable
authoritarian police states to dictate acceptable opinions, and have
actually advocated and defended genocidal race-states and policies on
the basis of unverified historic myths, are 'utterly malicious.'

Uh, right Xil. You've 'won.' 

Something like that.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 29 septembre 2013 - 04:27 .

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My post did not indicate that you were mad. I suppose the yelling bit could be construed as such, but please, every allegation against you still holds true.

Are you jealous because I'm always on the winning side?

Winning how, pray tell?

The side whose preferences tend to get upheld by Bioware, generally because they're less utterly malicious.

Creature of Pride, I see you:innocent:. No, but seriously, get off your high horse. Your preferences have just as much a chance at getting in as any of ours do. 

I remeber when Xil didn't want players to be able to side with the Templars in DA:I

Probably still thinks that too

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

[BlueMagitek]

Dean, are you referring to the Greek slaves held by the Romans?  Because I'm afraid I cannot remember many others that received widespread treatment along the lines of what you're talking about.

eluvianix wrote...
Creature of Pride, I see you:innocent:. No, but seriously, get off your high horse. Your preferences have just as much a chance at getting in as any of ours do.

Oh, I'd be fine with Lobs & Xil & whatnot getting options that appeal to them.  Where my problem comes from is when other people want options that they don't agree with being taken away from them.  That's so against the spirit of a western role playing game that I'm rather disgusted.

The example I brought up has to do with Joker in ME 3.  After X occurs, Joker makes a somewhat callous remark to it and Shepard's only reaction is anger.  There's no normal "Haha, I agree", "Joker, now is not the time", "Joker, totally not cool!".  Just the last option.  I mean, please, at least pretend you aren't railroading my Shepard (I can't say "my character" because Shepard was certainly limited in customization).

[Br3admax]

Because they are any better than mages not differentiated from the Chantry?

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My post did not indicate that you were mad. I suppose the yelling bit could be construed as such, but please, every allegation against you still holds true.

Are you jealous because I'm always on the winning side?

Winning how, pray tell?

The side whose preferences tend to get upheld by Bioware, generally because they're less utterly malicious.

Creature of Pride, I see you:innocent:. No, but seriously, get off your high horse. Your preferences have just as much a chance at getting in as any of ours do. 

We shall see. But don't bet against me.

I remeber when Xil didn't want players to be able to side with the Templars in DA:I

Probably still thinks that too

It may well not be possible to side with the templars as differentiated from the Chantry.

Your preferences, except all the ones that never panned out and the
convictions you espoused that were completely off the mark and the
expectations you have for future events that will almost certainly never
be developed or reflected upon, have been upheld.

And the people
who disagree with you, you who have in the past defended and advocated
massive subversions of justice, aspire to arbitrary and unaccountable
authoritarian police states to dictate acceptable opinions, and have
actually advocated and defended genocidal race-states and policies on
the basis of unverified historic myths, are 'utterly malicious.'

Uh, right Xil. You've 'won.' 

Something like that.

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

[AresKeith]

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

[BlueMagitek]

leaguer of one wrote...

1. I mean there is a version of her in every nw game.

2. Like Alistar wanted to rule.

Haha, I guess when you dillute her enough, hence me bringing up the stereotype.

I know.  I'm just pushing buttons.
I'm just bringing up that, yes, the character can be dead, and no, I don't think everyone is going to be Leliana'd.

[Steelcan]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

Pretty much this...



I also want to exterminate the Dalish and make Ferelden more powerful

Modifié par Steelcan, 29 septembre 2013 - 04:32 .

[Hellion Rex]

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think being on the same side as Xilizhra is good enough reason to not be pro-mages my friends.

And you are doing the same thing he/she is. I am pro-mage through and through, hate templars, but here I am still arguing against Xil.

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

Then that is your prerogative bro. Have at it.

[Hellion Rex]

addiction21 wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Creature of Pride, I see you:innocent:. No, but seriously, get off your high horse. Your preferences have just as much a chance at getting in as any of ours do. 

I just had this thought. Pride or rage. How many seconds would it take for such a demon to take control of such a person.

I don't know why, but I was thinking of Malcolm Hakwke's cursing of the demons in Legacy when I was reading Xil's post.

[Xilizhra]

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

With the plotline of the Red Templars appearing and their order being an antagonist through presumably multiple threads of the game, my idea seems to be on the right track thus far.

[Master Warder Z_]

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My post did not indicate that you were mad. I suppose the yelling bit could be construed as such, but please, every allegation against you still holds true.

Are you jealous because I'm always on the winning side?

Winning how, pray tell?

The side whose preferences tend to get upheld by Bioware, generally because they're less utterly malicious.

Creature of Pride, I see you:innocent:. No, but seriously, get off your high horse. Your preferences have just as much a chance at getting in as any of ours do. 

We shall see. But don't bet against me.

I remeber when Xil didn't want players to be able to side with the Templars in DA:I

Probably still thinks that too

It may well not be possible to side with the templars as differentiated from the Chantry.

Your preferences, except all the ones that never panned out and the
convictions you espoused that were completely off the mark and the
expectations you have for future events that will almost certainly never
be developed or reflected upon, have been upheld.

And the people
who disagree with you, you who have in the past defended and advocated
massive subversions of justice, aspire to arbitrary and unaccountable
authoritarian police states to dictate acceptable opinions, and have
actually advocated and defended genocidal race-states and policies on
the basis of unverified historic myths, are 'utterly malicious.'

Uh, right Xil. You've 'won.' 

Something like that.

From what i have witnessed of you, You act as if your own canon is DA canon and that is unforunately not the truth beyond yourself and perhaps one day you will open to different viewpoints something beyond elven racial superority and notions of how mages deserve underobserved, uncontrolled freedom.

So from perspective at the very least? You don't seem like a winner but some one who believes themselves to know better then other plays and for their own perspective to be "better" and that is my friend arrogance.

[Br3admax]

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

Pretty much this...



I also want to exterminate the Dalish and make Ferelden more powerful

You'll make a fine leader one day, Steelcan. The human race is lucky to have you when we go galactic. 

[Xilizhra]

From what i have witnessed of you, You act as if your own canon is DA canon and that is unforunately not the truth beyond yourself and perhaps one day you will open to different viewpoints something beyond elven racial superority and notions of how mages deserve underobserved, uncontrolled freedom.

How well you know me despite not actually reading my posts all that well. Gloriously done.

[Br3admax]

Morocco Mole wrote...

And you are doing the same thing he/she is.

No I actually don't care for the Mage/Templar conflict one way or the other. Its stupid and badly written.

This. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

With the plotline of the Red Templars appearing and their order being an antagonist through presumably multiple threads of the game, my idea seems to be on the right track thus far.

Except that in no where has it been stated that the Red Templars are anywhere a majority in fact the opposite has been stated repeatedly, given how powerful they are, they and their ilk and various offshoots will be reserved for various encounters and keeps presumbly.

So Yes you have no affilated run ins with Red Templars but no where has it been stated that you would have run ins with the Templars with out recourse to your own actions and them being a conquence of those.

So i do believe your on the track that supports your own pro mage agenda when a Pro Templar stance can be viable depending upon outlook, your own path isn't the only path.

[Master Warder Z_]

Xilizhra wrote...

From what i have witnessed of you, You act as if your own canon is DA canon and that is unforunately not the truth beyond yourself and perhaps one day you will open to different viewpoints something beyond elven racial superority and notions of how mages deserve underobserved, uncontrolled freedom.

How well you know me despite not actually reading my posts all that well. Gloriously done.

Its mere personal observation but i do agree, it is well done because it seems about 100% accurate so thank you.

[Steelcan]

Br3ad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

Pretty much this...



I also want to exterminate the Dalish and make Ferelden more powerful

You'll make a fine leader one day, Steelcan. The human race is lucky to have you when we go galactic. 

Keep this up and I'll make sure you have a position of power in the new order

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

With the plotline of the Red Templars appearing and their order being an antagonist through presumably multiple threads of the game, my idea seems to be on the right track thus far.

That's great Xil, it really is. And I agree with your theory entirely about the Red templars. But what irritates me is this "The side whose preferences tend to get upheld by Bioware, generally because they're less utterly malicious" 

[BlueMagitek]

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think being on the same side as Xilizhra is good enough reason to not be pro-mages my friends.

And you are doing the same thing he/she is. I am pro-mage through and through, hate templars, but here I am still arguing against Xil.

Nah, MM isn't malicious.  He doesn't always post, but when he does, it is glorious.

And I'm out, ya'll have a fun time!

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

With the plotline of the Red Templars appearing and their order being an antagonist through presumably multiple threads of the game, my idea seems to be on the right track thus far.

Get your agenda out of here