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[Hellion Rex]

BlueMagitek wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

I think being on the same side as Xilizhra is good enough reason to not be pro-mages my friends.

And you are doing the same thing he/she is. I am pro-mage through and through, hate templars, but here I am still arguing against Xil.

Nah, MM isn't malicious.  He doesn't always post, but when he does, it is glorious.

And I'm out, ya'll have a fun time!

But dude! It was just getting good!!!

[Master Warder Z_]

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

Pretty much this...



I also want to exterminate the Dalish and make Ferelden more powerful

Hrm i don't mind the idea of reforming both and forcing a compromise but outright templar victory is preferable to the alternative at least in my mind.

And Ferelden can rot for all i care, I just care about Loghain personally.

[Xilizhra]

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

With the plotline of the Red Templars appearing and their order being an antagonist through presumably multiple threads of the game, my idea seems to be on the right track thus far.

That's great Xil, it really is. And I agree with your theory entirely about the Red templars. But what irritates me is this "The side whose preferences tend to get upheld by Bioware, generally because they're less utterly malicious" 

Well, I can see why it'd irritate you. It's not out of a desire to screw other people over, though; I genuinely think this is the best viable way through.

Get your agenda out of here

I haven't gotten an invitation from the Gay Agenda to help with their plans yet, so I have to content myself with this.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 29 septembre 2013 - 04:40 .

[Hellion Rex]

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

With the plotline of the Red Templars appearing and their order being an antagonist through presumably multiple threads of the game, my idea seems to be on the right track thus far.

That's great Xil, it really is. And I agree with your theory entirely about the Red templars. But what irritates me is this "The side whose preferences tend to get upheld by Bioware, generally because they're less utterly malicious" 

Well, I can see why it'd irritate you. It's not out of a desire to screw other people over, though; I genuinely think this is the best viable way through.

Ok. Now, back to the topic at hand. 

[Br3admax]

I don't see how favoring one extreme over the other is a sign of being the "best viable way through."

[Master Warder Z_]

Br3ad wrote...

I don't see how favoring one extreme over the other is a sign of being the "best viable way through."

Exactly.

At least i acknowledge that Templar Victory being the best viable course as my own opinion and end it there.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

With the plotline of the Red Templars appearing and their order being an antagonist through presumably multiple threads of the game, my idea seems to be on the right track thus far.

That's great Xil, it really is. And I agree with your theory entirely about the Red templars. But what irritates me is this "The side whose preferences tend to get upheld by Bioware, generally because they're less utterly malicious" 

Well, I can see why it'd irritate you. It's not out of a desire to screw other people over,though; I genuinely think this is the best viable way through.

Xil just......sees things differently

[Hellion Rex]

Back on topic, I believe that the events of Asunder were not necessarily what started the war. I believe that the tensions between mages and Templars were bound to explode eventually. What Ander's did, whether you find it justified or not, are what I believe what actually "started" the War. I think that the events of Asunder were merely the first major confrontation of the War. Sorry if I am beating the dead horse here.

[AresKeith]

Steelcan wrote...

Xil just......sees things differently

Xil's extreme and Plaintiffs equality 

[Steelcan]

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xil just......sees things differently

Xil's extreme and Plaintiffs equality 

And David's heroism

the unholy trinity of BSN

[Br3admax]

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xil just......sees things differently

Xil's extreme and Plaintiffs equality 

And David's heroism

the unholy trinity of BSN

Modifié par Br3ad, 29 septembre 2013 - 04:46 .

[dragonflight288]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

Pretty much this...



I also want to exterminate the Dalish and make Ferelden more powerful

Hrm i don't mind the idea of reforming both and forcing a compromise but outright templar victory is preferable to the alternative at least in my mind.

And Ferelden can rot for all i care, I just care about Loghain personally.

A templar victory means total and willing genocide.

[Hellion Rex]

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xil just......sees things differently

Xil's extreme and Plaintiffs equality 

And David's heroism

the unholy trinity of BSN

Can't we just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

[Steelcan]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

Pretty much this...



I also want to exterminate the Dalish and make Ferelden more powerful

Hrm i don't mind the idea of reforming both and forcing a compromise but outright templar victory is preferable to the alternative at least in my mind.

And Ferelden can rot for all i care, I just care about Loghain personally.

A templar victory means total and willing genocide.

You seem to be under the impression he cares

[Steelcan]

eluvianix wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xil just......sees things differently

Xil's extreme and Plaintiffs equality 

And David's heroism

the unholy trinity of BSN

Can't we just all hold hands and sing Kumbaya?

In the words of David himself


"No, that's stupid"

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

Xil, have I ever mentioned that your regular and habitual opposition to popular viewpoints oppossing your own one of your more amusing features?

It's a charming one part self-rationalization, on part clueless unawareness of the foundation and validity of oppossing viewpoints, one part unironic hypocrisy on the values of freedom and liberty you regularly claim to value but frequently aspire to undermine if you assumed power, and all hilarious.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Xil just......sees things differently

Xil's extreme and Plaintiffs equality 

And David's heroism

the unholy trinity of BSN

That ship is this thread, and it is starting to sink.

[AresKeith]

Master Warder Z wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't see how favoring one extreme over the other is a sign of being the "best viable way through."

Exactly.

At least i acknowledge that Templar Victory being the best viable course as my own opinion and end it there.

No, All shall kneel under Amon.. err I mean The Inquisitor 

[Hellion Rex]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

Xil, have I ever mentioned that your regular and habitual opposition to popular viewpoints oppossing your own one of your more amusing features?

It's a charming one part self-rationalization, on part clueless unawareness of the foundation and validity of oppossing viewpoints, one part unironic hypocrisy on the values of freedom and liberty you regularly claim to value but frequently aspire to undermine if you assumed power, and all hilarious.

Dude.....kinda late to the party.

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't see how favoring one extreme over the other is a sign of being the "best viable way through."

Exactly.

At least i acknowledge that Templar Victory being the best viable course as my own opinion and end it there.

No, All shall kneel under Amon.. err I mean The Inquisitor 

Did I just hear a Korra joke?

[Steelcan]

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't see how favoring one extreme over the other is a sign of being the "best viable way through."

Exactly.

At least i acknowledge that Templar Victory being the best viable course as my own opinion and end it there.

No, All shall kneel under Amon.. err I mean The Inquisitor 

Did I just hear a Korra joke?

I suppose you haven't seen my recent responses to Plaintiff

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, you have just as much right as any of us to believe whatever you want. But don't try strong arm others to say that your way is the only way.

That's utterly futile. I only argue with other forum posters here because I enjoy the interplay of opinions. The ones I'm actually trying to influence are Bioware; in creating an atmosphere of intense opposition between the mage and templar sides, I hope to do my part to create an environment where the desire to continue the mage/templar plot is heavily vocalized and on Bioware's minds. And if that works out, it's my opinion that Bioware could never end things with a templar victory because of issues of narrative structure and general demographic popularity of the mages vs. the templars; as such, a stronger mage/templar narrative supports my side by default.

Xil, have I ever mentioned that your regular and habitual opposition to popular viewpoints oppossing your own one of your more amusing features?

It's a charming one part self-rationalization, on part clueless unawareness of the foundation and validity of oppossing viewpoints, one part unironic hypocrisy on the values of freedom and liberty you regularly claim to value but frequently aspire to undermine if you assumed power, and all hilarious.

I'm not against the presence of opposing opinions by any means, otherwise I wouldn't be here. I find them fascinating, truth be told. My positions here are based around what I believe is best for overall story structure. Also, I personally am not my Shepard and would never try to be even if I gained power somehow.

[Hellion Rex]

Steelcan wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

I don't see how favoring one extreme over the other is a sign of being the "best viable way through."

Exactly.

At least i acknowledge that Templar Victory being the best viable course as my own opinion and end it there.

No, All shall kneel under Amon.. err I mean The Inquisitor 

Did I just hear a Korra joke?

I suppose you haven't seen my recent responses to Plaintiff

Indeed I have not had the pleasure....so...how about that Eska?

[Master Warder Z_]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Master Warder Z wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I hate templars to h*ll and back, and I am pro-mage through and through, but I could and would not want to take that choice away from you, from another person playing the game. Your game is your own story to make, and it really angers me that people can only see *their* way as the only way.

I'd rather have the option to kick both of their asses and make them sumbit because both sides are idiots

And then reform the Circles with some changes

Pretty much this...



I also want to exterminate the Dalish and make Ferelden more powerful

Hrm i don't mind the idea of reforming both and forcing a compromise but outright templar victory is preferable to the alternative at least in my mind.

And Ferelden can rot for all i care, I just care about Loghain personally.

A templar victory means total and willing genocide.

You act as if i am unaware of the body count, but a loss comes with both sides acheiving victory.

Would you ignore the mass loss of Templars and the complete removal of the chantry and write it off as the costs of war rather then a genocide for the mages?

No my freind both ssides, which ever the PC ultimately supports in their dealings with end up killing massive amounts of people merely for affilation or  their precieved affilation or intent.

Both sides come with that label attached, its to me though the cost of war.

The Templars however offered a more measured and realistic view of magic then the alternative.