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[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Demons.

Of course, because the common people of Thedas are going to be so understanding when it comes to that distinction. It's not like in the psyche of most peasants there is an obvious association between those pesky demons and their favorite treats.

We shall see. It won't be enough to stop a mage from leading the Inquisition, at any rate.

Ah using a group formed to stop the world from destruction to fill your own agenda. Just like a mage to abuse their power.

[Medhia Nox]

@Gwydden:

Farmer: OH, those demons! That's so TERRIBLE!
Blacksmith: It's them mages! They're to blame.
Potter: No, no. Demons are manifestations of mortal thoughts - they feed off our base emotions and try to seek to enter the world through the bodies of mages.
Cobbler: Well, obviously the Veil tears, which only happen when the Veil is rendered exceedingly thin by violence and what have you, has allowed such creatures to enter our world full bodied.
Fisher: Yes, and thank the MAKER we have those mages to fight them!
All: BLESS THE MAGES! Bless their little mage hearts!

Dagna: Wow... even Thedas peasants are smarter than Thedas mages.

[BlueMagitek]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Mr. House: Not in my playthru. I'm so hoping for the anti-magic spirit school to be back.

Mage Tool: You traitor! How could you turn on your own people?! We're mages and we should be cuddled like innocent bunnies and left alone!

My Inquistor: Bored. *casts Mana Clash - Mage Tool esplodes*

That school was far too broken to make a return. 

Unless Mana Clash, instead of dealing damage, completely drains a mage of their mana and prevents lyrium from replenishing it for X amount of time.  I think that would be significantly more reasonable.

Or it should be a unique tree akin to Blood Magic (the two are often confused, apparently).

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Demons.

Of course, because the common people of Thedas are going to be so understanding when it comes to that distinction. It's not like in the psyche of most peasants there is an obvious association between those pesky demons and their favorite treats.

We shall see. It won't be enough to stop a mage from leading the Inquisition, at any rate.

Ah using a group formed to stop the world from destruction to fill your own agenda. Just like a mage to abuse their power.

If the mandate of the organization is accomplished, what does it matter?

[Medhia Nox]

@BlueMagitek: I don't mean exactly as is of course (though it was so deliciously overpowered).

But still - an anti-magic tree in some form would be greatly appreciated Bioware. It is my preferred form of mage when made possible.

[Mr.House]

You heard it here folks, it's fine to abuse your power to fulfill your own personal vendetta.

[BlueMagitek]

Mr.House wrote...

You heard it here folks, it's fine to abuse your power to fulfill your own personal vendetta.

Have you ever played Mass Effect?

@Big M
Oh, I agree, anti-X classes tend to be a lot of fun to play when the class is prominent.  Especially if they prevent shenanigan Chain Lightnings all day long.

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 23 septembre 2013 - 02:14 .

[Xilizhra]

Mr.House wrote...

You heard it here folks, it's fine to abuse your power to fulfill your own personal vendetta.

It's not about a vendetta, it's about what's right.

[Medhia Nox]

@Xilizhra: Which, as you state time and again... is subjective, yes?

Or, is it only subjective when it's what others believe is "right"?

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

You heard it here folks, it's fine to abuse your power to fulfill your own personal vendetta.

It's not about a vendetta, it's about what's right.

What you think is right is an opinion.

[wcholcombe]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well that depends largely on how they go about solving the problem. Maybe Bioware will write one basic ending for the mage rebellion where the important details are different. So It could be that in the end the mages always go back to the Cirlces but the Templars going back to guard them depends on your choices.

It's possible, but highly unlikely.

@Xilizhra: I've yet to see you say anything other than. Because: Things - when it comes to why you are so sure the Templars could not win.

The mages of Thedas are among the stupidest (and I mean intelligence - not slang) version of their "kind" in any fantasy fiction I have ever read. They're just mutants - no genuine intelligence required (or displayed).

So - uneducated shut ins who are reviled the world over... are "shoe ins" in your book. I just don't see it.

They both seem doomed - but the Templars would have the backing of the people by miles.

A good portion of the templars, possibly all of them not still with the Chantry, have gone completely psychotic marauder and would lose the support of the people very rapidly. And for narrative reasons, they obviously won't win; the Inquisition may need to wipe them out entirely. Their actions, too, would probably sour public opinion of the templars enough to level the playing field around the weakened and toothless Chantry.

We don't know they have gone mad.  It is entirely possible that the village they were hitting in the demo was a haven for apostates? 

Despite the desires of the unwashed masses mages aren't going to be suddenly completely free and accepted.

[Xilizhra]

What you think is right is an opinion.

Well... yes, but that's kind of like saying "we're communicating through words." It's sort of a given.

[Gwydden]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Gwydden:

Farmer: OH, those demons! That's so TERRIBLE!
Blacksmith: It's them mages! They're to blame.
Potter: No, no. Demons are manifestations of mortal thoughts - they feed off our base emotions and try to seek to enter the world through the bodies of mages.
Cobbler: Well, obviously the Veil tears, which only happen when the Veil is rendered exceedingly thin by violence and what have you, has allowed such creatures to enter our world full bodied.
Fisher: Yes, and thank the MAKER we have those mages to fight them!
All: BLESS THE MAGES! Bless their little mage hearts!

Dagna: Wow... even Thedas peasants are smarter than Thedas mages.

That's actually amusing xD. And it helps illustrate my point.

[LobselVith8]

Mr.House wrote...

You heard it here folks, it's fine to abuse your power to fulfill your own personal vendetta.

That's not what I read from Xil's comments. It was more akin to Edmund Burke's line: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Or woman, in this case.

[Medhia Nox]

@LobselVith8: So you're not one of those "evil" is subjective types? Like.. about blood magic maybe?

Cause while that statement could be 100% true... "not" oppressing mages could be the good men doing nothing against evil.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 23 septembre 2013 - 02:41 .

[Ieolus]

What if a Mage Inquisitor helps the Chantry bring back the Circle?

[Medhia Nox]

@Ieolus: Then you'll be playing something closer to my playthru.

[Gwydden]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Ieolus: Then you'll be playing something closer to my playthru.

Wouldn't that make your PC extremely hypocrital?

[AresKeith]

Gwydden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Ieolus: Then you'll be playing something closer to my playthru.

Wouldn't that make your PC extremely hypocrital?

No, it would make them Pro-Circle or something close to it

[Gwydden]

AresKeith wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Ieolus: Then you'll be playing something closer to my playthru.

Wouldn't that make your PC extremely hypocrital?

No, it would make them Pro-Circle or something close to it

But he can't hardly lead the Inquisition from the Circle, now can he?

[LobselVith8]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@LobselVith8: So you're not one of those "evil" is subjective types? Like.. about blood magic maybe?

Cause while that statement could be 100% true... "not" oppressing mages could be the good men doing nothing against evil.

Many things are subjective. Perhaps Xil thinks that templars having dominion over mages by divine right is evil, for example. Maybe Xil thinks that slavery is evil, and that dealing with the veil tear with the creation of the Inquisition doesn't mean abandoning countless men, women, and children who might be depending on her Inquisitor to aid them against a menace that threatens their lives for being mages. Or preventing the reemergence of their enslavement by an anti-mage religion.

[Ieolus]

Gwydden wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Ieolus: Then you'll be playing something closer to my playthru.

Wouldn't that make your PC extremely hypocrital?

No, it would make them Pro-Circle or something close to it

But he can't hardly lead the Inquisition from the Circle, now can he?

At this point in the timeline, there is no Circle.  There are apostate mages in rebellion against the Circle and Chantry.  That is how it ended in Asunder.

That doesn't mean that the Mage Factions have disbanded and they are all Libertarians now.  Opinions still differ inside the Mage community.  Just that the balance was tipped in favor of rebellion at this point and here we are.

Edit: Scratch that... Grey Warden is outside the Circle.  That doesn't explain Wynne though.  She was in the Circle and helped defeat the Blight.

Modifié par Ieolus, 23 septembre 2013 - 02:54 .

[LobselVith8]

Ieolus wrote...

What if a Mage Inquisitor helps the Chantry bring back the Circle?

You mean, for other people? I don't think it would stop the motivation of mages who don't want to capitulate to the Chantry of Andraste. Mage autonomy means a lot to some of these people who are willing to die to emancipate their people from servitude, as we saw and read. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
That's not what I read from Xil's comments. It was more akin to Edmund Burke's line: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Or woman, in this case.

Evil also triumphs if good men (or women) do evil, which is where all the arguments start when people talk about what's "necessary" (whether on the templar or mage side). 

[Medhia Nox]

@Ieolus: Why is my mage enslaved by the greater mage hive mind?

My mage believes that mages should be policed, that the Harrowing is valuable, that Tranquilizing isn't to be totally abolished and that the Circles have very valid reasons for existing.

My mage also believes that the rebellion is NOT in the best interest for mage/mundane relations - that, despite what the game morality will require because games are inherently limited, violent rebellions (though I will likely ONLY be able to respond violently) do NOT have a moral high ground.

Also - anyone who is in collusion with blood mages and Anders' attack on the Chantry - does not have my mage character on their side.

That does not mean I'm Pro-Templar however.