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[Cirvante]

Aedolon wrote...

I mean, saying things like "recoil doesn't matter with Saber" gives me the idea you've never actually used these weapons outside Citadel firing range.

In AirCoots defense, the Saber Recoil can be mitigated even with marksman RoF without using additional stability mods or a turian kit. You just have to drag it down just the right amount after each shot.

[Cyonan]

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

The spread is almost like of that of an Incisor.  

Even the Collector rifle is better. 

youtu.be/uZuzJWZduJo 

And that is with a scope. 

The Incisor's spread isn't bad either.

Not pinpoint != bad

The main thing is doing something to handle the recoil.

 

LOL. Aim for the balls - get a headshot - best sniper rifle ev0r! Same for Argus. 

Get 3 bullets to land on the head with Argus or Incisor - now do it consistently. Impossible. 

Valkyrie - no problem. 

You have no idea what the words "bullet spread" mean, do you?

 

WTF are you rambling about again? I shoot in real life and a LOT. 

We were talking about spread and suddenly you mention something related to recoil. I assumed you had no idea what you were talking about.

The spread of the Argus and Incisor is not bad.

The recoil is bad.

Equip Stability Mod, the recoil is also not bad.

Understood in video game terms?

Modifié par Cyonan, 22 septembre 2013 - 01:38 .

[LemurFromTheId]

Element 0 wrote...

BS. 1vs1 with me and show me consistent 3 round Argus burst headshots. Recoil doesn't matter with Saber the similar way it does't matter with the Black Widow. 

Valkyrie destroys Argus trough and trough, It can switch from target to target with pin-point precision and you can land headshots with both bullets at very long ranges even on non-Turian kits.

1. I have zero interest in playing with you.

2. Why don't you go ahead and actually try how much difference stability equipment makes with the Saber. Then you'd know how dead wrong you are. Saber isn't like other guns. Recoil has different effect on it that it has on Black Widow. You should know this.

3. I agree. Valkyrie is a much better weapon overall. But Argus can kill a mook faster if you can handle the recoil, which gives it a tiniest niche of its own. How hard is this to understand?

Modifié par Aedolon, 22 septembre 2013 - 01:41 .

[Cyonan]

Element 0 wrote...

EVEN with stability mod and Turian passives the "spread" is too high to get 3 shots to land on the head consistently. You need a freaking scope. 

Depends on the range, at short-medium range I have no issues getting consistant headshots with the Argus provided I have dealt with the recoil.

You need a scope for the Valkyrie at long ranges too because the second shot ends up in no mans land due to the accuracy penalty for firing being messy.

[Lucky]

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

The spread is almost like of that of an Incisor.  

Even the Collector rifle is better. 

youtu.be/uZuzJWZduJo 

And that is with a scope. 

The Incisor's spread isn't bad either.

Not pinpoint != bad

The main thing is doing something to handle the recoil.

 

LOL. Aim for the balls - get a headshot - best sniper rifle ev0r! Same for Argus. 

Get 3 bullets to land on the head with Argus or Incisor - now do it consistently. Impossible. 

Valkyrie - no problem. 

You have no idea what the words "bullet spread" mean, do you?

 

WTF are you rambling about again? I shoot in real life and a LOT. 

Do you even shoot bro?

[LemurFromTheId]

Element 0 wrote...

You don't even HAVE Argus challenge completed. 20k points. Means you took it out once maybe. So it's no point to argue with you. I have used multiple times on multiple kits. 

I used it quite a lot before the challenges existed. Only experimenting since then.

[Cirvante]

Element 0 wrote...

Cirvante wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

I mean, saying things like "recoil doesn't matter with Saber" gives me the idea you've never actually used these weapons outside Citadel firing range.

In AirCoots defense, the Saber Recoil can be mitigated even with marksman RoF without using additional stability mods or a turian kit. You just have to drag it down just the right amount after each shot.

 

It basically goes back to where it was like BW. 

Nope. The crosshairs go back to normal, but you have to drag the crosshairs down manually whereas the black widow returns to the point you were aiming your first shot at.

[Cyonan]

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

EVEN with stability mod and Turian passives the "spread" is too high to get 3 shots to land on the head consistently. You need a freaking scope. 

Depends on the range, at short-medium range I have no issues getting consistant headshots with the Argus provided I have dealt with the recoil.

You need a scope for the Valkyrie at long ranges too because the second shot ends up in no mans land due to the accuracy penalty for firing being messy.

 

I use it on a Demolisher all the time. Headshotting mooks left and right. And I know for sure you can land both bullets from Dagger control tower right to the very edge on the left corner on an Assault Troopers head. With no stability mods. 

Do you use the scope?

[didacuscarr]

Alright, the conclusion I get after reading this is that AQ can't handle recoil. I always thought for PC it's a lot easier to handle the recoil... I don't know, I can handle its recoil without any stability bonus like on every other weapon. :/

[Cyonan]

Element 0 wrote...

youtu.be/1BgrTz2OiPU  

This is with a Stability Mod V. Look at the spread.  

P.S. And using hard cover too. 

You understand that stability does not have any effect on the aim error(spread) stats, yes?

The spread on the Valkyrie is nearly as bad because of the accuracy penalty while firing, but the recoil is much better.

Modifié par Cyonan, 22 septembre 2013 - 02:06 .

[LemurFromTheId]

Element 0 wrote...

youtu.be/1BgrTz2OiPU  

This is with a Stability Mod V. Look at the spread.  

P.S. And using hard cover too. 

Look at how he kills a trooper with one burst.

No one's saying Argus doesn't have a lot of kick. And it's not a weapon you'd want to use at long range. But if you use it on a small map with a kit than can handle recoil, killing mooks with one burst is not hard to achieve.

Yes, I used Argus between the time when it came out (When was that? I can't remember. I though it was in from the start.) and the time Retaliation was introduced. I've used Valkyrie much more, because it's a much better weapon overall. And I've used Saber quite a lot, because it's even better.

[Cyonan]

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

youtu.be/1BgrTz2OiPU  

This is with a Stability Mod V. Look at the spread.  

P.S. And using hard cover too. 

You understand that stability does not have any effect on the aim error(spread) stats, yes?

The spread on the Valkyrie is nearly as bad because of the accuracy penalty while firing, but the recoil is much better.

 

According to your spreadsheet the Argus has a recoil of 0.812 which is EXACTLY like Saber. The Valkyrie has 0.6, so not that much less. But it fires 2 shots. And also the zoom recoil is much better. 

Which is why you can throw a Stability Mod on and get 0.2436 recoil or even 0.5684 with the armour consumable.

[BridgeBurner]

Element 0 wrote...
even thoough Hornet kicks much more.  

Argus Zoom recoil stat: 1.35

Hornet Zoom recoil stat: 0.85

Just sayin'. Don't try and make up your own "facts". You prove yourself a moron everytime you do.

Modifié par Annomander, 22 septembre 2013 - 02:19 .