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[didacuscarr]

Element 0 wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

Alright, the conclusion I get after reading this is that AQ can't handle recoil. I always thought for PC it's a lot easier to handle the recoil... I don't know, I can handle its recoil without any stability bonus like on every other weapon. :/

 

LOL. Recoil. Recoil is easy to handle. I will rather take no stability mod Hornet over Argus even though Hornet kicks much more.  

So what's your problem? 

[LemurFromTheId]

Element 0 wrote...

And still the time difference between 1st shot landed and 3rd shot landed screws Argus over. Enemies can just roll away from 2 shots of your burst once the 1st hit. With Valkyrie - both will hit. 3 shot Argus headshot is a miracle without a scope. And using a scope means tunnel vision, slower target switching and added problems with that.

What the **** are you talking about?

The time interval between 1st and 2nd Argus shots is 0.12 seconds, for Valkyrie it's 0.10 seconds. Are seriously claiming that 0.02 seconds is the difference between the enemy rolling and not rolling away?

[Cyonan]

Element 0 wrote...

And still the time difference between 1st shot landed and 3rd shot landed screws Argus over. Enemies can just roll away from 2 shots of your burst once the 1st hit. With Valkyrie - both will hit. 3 shot Argus headshot is a miracle without a scope. And using a scope means tunnel vision, slower target switching and added problems with that. 

The difference between the second shot between the two guns is 0.02 seconds. If they're rolling for one they're rolling for both.

Also, spread wise the Valkyrie is not great either because of the second shot.

[Marek Intan]

....it never fails. Err coots always manages to somehow start a flamewar on EVERY thread about a weapon that isn't top-tier.

Then, he tries arguing with Cyonan. And Annomander sides with Cyonan. Yet er coots still thinks he's right.

Ah, well. BSN as usual. Nothing to see here.

[Cyonan]

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

And still the time difference between 1st shot landed and 3rd shot landed screws Argus over. Enemies can just roll away from 2 shots of your burst once the 1st hit. With Valkyrie - both will hit. 3 shot Argus headshot is a miracle without a scope. And using a scope means tunnel vision, slower target switching and added problems with that. 

The difference between the second shot between the two guns is 0.02 seconds. If they're rolling for one they're rolling for both.

Also, spread wise the Valkyrie is not great either because of the second shot.

 

LOL. Clearly, you don't play the game or you don't use the unmodded stuff we use. 

Cos in practice Valkyrie -----------------------------------------------Argus------Barely better than Vindicator. (and even that is up for debate)

Clearly I don't play the game unmodded because I dared to have a different opinion than the all mighty Air Quotes.

lolno

Also if we were using my mods? Vindicator is the best weapon with stability and is a bit overpowered.

[BridgeBurner]

Marek Intan wrote...

....it never fails. Err coots always manages to somehow start a flamewar on EVERY thread about a weapon that isn't top-tier.

Then, he tries arguing with Cyonan. And Annomander sides with Cyonan. Yet er coots still thinks he's right.

Ah, well. BSN as usual. Nothing to see here.

You'd think he'd learn to not be so dense, seen as how Cyonan actually knows what he's talking about.

[BridgeBurner]

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

And still the time difference between 1st shot landed and 3rd shot landed screws Argus over. Enemies can just roll away from 2 shots of your burst once the 1st hit. With Valkyrie - both will hit. 3 shot Argus headshot is a miracle without a scope. And using a scope means tunnel vision, slower target switching and added problems with that. 

The difference between the second shot between the two guns is 0.02 seconds. If they're rolling for one they're rolling for both.

Also, spread wise the Valkyrie is not great either because of the second shot.

 

LOL. Clearly, you don't play the game or you don't use the unmodded stuff we use. 

Cos in practice Valkyrie -----------------------------------------------Argus------Barely better than Vindicator. (and even that is up for debate)

Clearly I don't play the game unmodded because I dared to have a different opinion than the all mighty Air Quotes.

lolno

Also if we were using my mods? Vindicator is the best weapon with stability and is a bit overpowered.

Being wrong doesn't matter to PhailQuotes, he's going to keep talking pish regardless.

[Marek Intan]

Annomander wrote...

Marek Intan wrote...

....it never fails. Err coots always manages to somehow start a flamewar on EVERY thread about a weapon that isn't top-tier.

Then, he tries arguing with Cyonan. And Annomander sides with Cyonan. Yet er coots still thinks he's right.

Ah, well. BSN as usual. Nothing to see here.

You'd think he'd learn to not be so dense, seen as how Cyonan actually knows what he's talking about.

You seem to know what you're talking about, too. And it's you and Cyonan's words against Air Quotes'. I think I'd rather believe you two.

[LemurFromTheId]

Element 0 wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

And still the time difference between 1st shot landed and 3rd shot landed screws Argus over. Enemies can just roll away from 2 shots of your burst once the 1st hit. With Valkyrie - both will hit. 3 shot Argus headshot is a miracle without a scope. And using a scope means tunnel vision, slower target switching and added problems with that.

What the **** are you talking about?

The time interval between 1st and 2nd Argus shots is 0.12 seconds, for Valkyrie it's 0.10 seconds. Are seriously claiming that 0.02 seconds is the difference between the enemy rolling and not rolling away?

 

The spread. Seriously do you guys play the game? Try to headshot a sideways moving enemy with Argus from mid-range. Now do the same with Valkyrie. You can throw numbers all day. Practical results speak volumes in Valkyrie favor. 

It's funny how your argument changes every time. Sometimes it's recoil, then it's spread, them it's the time difference between shots, then it's spread again...

I've been saying the whole time that generally Valkyrie is the better weapon, but with some kits, Argus has a niche because it can one-shot mooks that Valkyrie can't. Turian Soldier, for example, is such a kit. Marksman eliminates spread (accuracy) and turian passives eliminate muzzle climb (recoil) - thus headshots become feasible. But it's a close-to-medium-range assault rifle, no doubt about it.

If I want to headshot sideways-moving enemies from mid-to-long-range, personally I use the Sabre, not Valkyrie.

[didacuscarr]

Element 0 wrote...

N7didacus wrote...

So what's your problem? 

 

LOL. Watch Argus videos and then Valkyries. Or better yet - use both in real game and try to land Argus headshot bursts on a Phantom in mid-range. Then do the same with Valkyrie. 

Dude, why are you bringing up the Valkyrie? I didn't say a word about it. Anyway, I have done that on host and no problems with a Phantom. 

[BridgeBurner]

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

And still the time difference between 1st shot landed and 3rd shot landed screws Argus over. Enemies can just roll away from 2 shots of your burst once the 1st hit. With Valkyrie - both will hit. 3 shot Argus headshot is a miracle without a scope. And using a scope means tunnel vision, slower target switching and added problems with that. 

The difference between the second shot between the two guns is 0.02 seconds. If they're rolling for one they're rolling for both.

Also, spread wise the Valkyrie is not great either because of the second shot.

 

LOL. Clearly, you don't play the game or you don't use the unmodded stuff we use. 

Cos in practice Valkyrie -----------------------------------------------Argus------Barely better than Vindicator. (and even that is up for debate)

Clearly I don't play the game unmodded because I dared to have a different opinion than the all mighty Air Quotes.

lolno

Also if we were using my mods? Vindicator is the best weapon with stability and is a bit overpowered.

 

You can have your different opinion, Make a video of you headshotting stuff with the default Argus with full bursts. I'll wait

It's really ironic, that you of all people ask others to make videos...

[BridgeBurner]

Element 0 wrote...

Cos I gave my videos, and the ****tiness of the Argus is clearly visible. Now you make it look good. 

Oh, I must have missed you posting links to videos you recorded personally, and uploaded to your own youtube channel...

[Beerfish]

The argus stinks. You are correct in the assessment that the Reegar is far far from the easymode people make it out to be.

[DHKany]

Beerfish wrote...

 You are correct in the assessment that the Reegar is far far from the easymode people make it out to be.

lolno. 

[Cyonan]

Element 0 wrote...

You can have your different opinion, Make a video of you headshotting stuff with the default Argus with full bursts. I'll wait

I can make a video of some Argus play

Though I'm already of the belief you'll just accuse me of modded files anyway.

[Tokenusername]

"Arguing with a fool only proves that there are two."