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[FasterThanFTL]

The way to use the Argus is to shoot at the feet and the 3rd bullet will hit the head.

[RedJohn]

Argus is not good, but not the worst either.

Modifié par RedJohn, 22 septembre 2013 - 03:52 .

[RedJohn]

Well to be honest the recoil of the Argus is manageable and its 3 burst shot make it better than mattock unless you have super fingers.

The argus does not have spread, i don't know where you took that from.


I believe Argus is better than Revenant.

Modifié par RedJohn, 22 septembre 2013 - 04:02 .

[Ledgend1221]

Not my Revenant.

[Beerfish]

DHKany wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

 You are correct in the assessment that the Reegar is far far from the easymode people make it out to be.

lolno. 

lol yes.  I swear some of you people never actually play public games at all.  Here you go medium level player, we will give you a gun that has great damage and can destroy bosses with incendiary ammo.  The catch is that it has very low ammo capacity and you have to be right in the face of the opponent because it has just about the shortest range of any weapon in the game.  Now go at it.  The rest of the team will be using weapons such as the harrier, hurricane...etc etc etc etc

[DHKany]

Beerfish wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

 You are correct in the assessment that the Reegar is far far from the easymode people make it out to be.

lolno. 

lol yes.  I swear some of you people never actually play public games at all.  Here you go medium level player, we will give you a gun that has great damage and can destroy bosses with incendiary ammo.  The catch is that it has very low ammo capacity and you have to be right in the face of the opponent because it has just about the shortest range of any weapon in the game.  Now go at it.  The rest of the team will be using weapons such as the harrier, hurricane...etc etc etc etc

your point being? 
PUGs can't use a riduclously overpowered gun, so that means it's balanced. 


riiiiiigghhhhhttttttt

Modifié par DHKany, 22 septembre 2013 - 04:29 .

[palmof40sorrows]

DHKany wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

 You are correct in the assessment that the Reegar is far far from the easymode people make it out to be.

lolno. 

lol yes.  I swear some of you people never actually play public games at all.  Here you go medium level player, we will give you a gun that has great damage and can destroy bosses with incendiary ammo.  The catch is that it has very low ammo capacity and you have to be right in the face of the opponent because it has just about the shortest range of any weapon in the game.  Now go at it.  The rest of the team will be using weapons such as the harrier, hurricane...etc etc etc etc

your point being? 
PUGs can't use a riduclously overpowered gun, so that means it's balanced. 


riiiiiigghhhhhttttttt

He didn't ACTUALLY say anything about balance or OP'ness, just that it isn't "easymode" for most folk that you find in public lobbies. 

[FromTheAlps]

One of these days i'd like to hear a clear definition of what BSN means by "OP", because for one it means "Potential to deal way too much damage in the hand of a skilled player",
for the next it means "Makes the game a joke for whoever it uses it" and for the third one it means something different again.
Complete pointless to discuss the OP-ness of any weapon if the term is not even properly defined yet.

On Topic: No, the M55 is really that bad.

edit: I just saw I haven't used the Argus in a loooooooong time , maybe I'll have to give it another try before I judge over it. But I recall it as beeing only somewhat decent on the Tsol,  and nearly unusable on anything else.

Modifié par Ultner, 22 septembre 2013 - 06:24 .

[Marek Intan]

With the Reagar, I think it's always about balancing risk vs. reward, or skill vs reward. More skilled players are able to handle the risk of getting in close with it, so it rewards them greatly. Less skilled players aren't able to get in close without dying instantly, so the Reagar doesn't benefit as much.

I'm starting to think that saying the Reagar is OP is like saying Vangaurds are OP (both high-risk, high-reward things in the game). But, that's not true. Just because someone can handle charging into an entire spawn as a Vanguard, killing all of the mooks, and getting out before the bosses sync them, that doesn't mean Vanguards are OP. It just means the player is OP. Similarly, if you wreak havoc with the Reagar, it's YOU that is OP, not the weapon.

[DHKany]

^except biotic charge doesn't deal 8000 (I think) base DPS and it doesn't cheese incendiary ammo. It also doesn't allow you to potentially one clip platinum bosses whilst in the complete safety of ramps and right hand advantage.

Reegar's "risk" of getting close is about as laughable as saying that the Harrier's "balancing factor" is its low ammo capacity.

[Marek Intan]

DHKany wrote...

^except biotic charge doesn't deal 8000 (I think) base DPS and it doesn't cheese incendiary ammo. It also doesn't allow you to potentially one clip platinum bosses whilst in the complete safety of ramps and right hand advantage.

Reegar's "risk" of getting close is about as laughable as saying that the Harrier's "balancing factor" is its low ammo capacity.

...But with PUGS, these "balancing factors" are surprisingly relevant.

[Cirvante]

Marek Intan wrote...

DHKany wrote...

^except biotic charge doesn't deal 8000 (I think) base DPS and it doesn't cheese incendiary ammo. It also doesn't allow you to potentially one clip platinum bosses whilst in the complete safety of ramps and right hand advantage.

Reegar's "risk" of getting close is about as laughable as saying that the Harrier's "balancing factor" is its low ammo capacity.

...But with PUGS, these "balancing factors" are surprisingly relevant.

Pugs will still kill faster with a Reegar than with a less powerful weapon.

[Marek Intan]

Cirvante wrote...

Marek Intan wrote...

DHKany wrote...

^except biotic charge doesn't deal 8000 (I think) base DPS and it doesn't cheese incendiary ammo. It also doesn't allow you to potentially one clip platinum bosses whilst in the complete safety of ramps and right hand advantage.

Reegar's "risk" of getting close is about as laughable as saying that the Harrier's "balancing factor" is its low ammo capacity.

...But with PUGS, these "balancing factors" are surprisingly relevant.

Pugs will still kill faster with a Reegar than with a less powerful weapon.

Isn't that stating the obvious? Of course stuff will go down faster with a more powerful weapon, compared to a less powerful one.

[DHKany]

Marek Intan wrote...

DHKany wrote...

^except biotic charge doesn't deal 8000 (I think) base DPS and it doesn't cheese incendiary ammo. It also doesn't allow you to potentially one clip platinum bosses whilst in the complete safety of ramps and right hand advantage.

Reegar's "risk" of getting close is about as laughable as saying that the Harrier's "balancing factor" is its low ammo capacity.

...But with PUGS, these "balancing factors" are surprisingly relevant.

If we were to use PUGs as balacing factors then nothing would be considered OP. 

[Marek Intan]

DHKany wrote...

Marek Intan wrote...

DHKany wrote...

^except biotic charge doesn't deal 8000 (I think) base DPS and it doesn't cheese incendiary ammo. It also doesn't allow you to potentially one clip platinum bosses whilst in the complete safety of ramps and right hand advantage.

Reegar's "risk" of getting close is about as laughable as saying that the Harrier's "balancing factor" is its low ammo capacity.

...But with PUGS, these "balancing factors" are surprisingly relevant.

If we were to use PUGs as balacing factors then nothing would be considered OP. 

And if we were to balance around BSN'ers, we'd be balancing for the vast minority of players.

[DHKany]

Which is why bioware did balancing with their team.

Just because PUGs can't use it doesn't it isn't OP.

[FromTheAlps]

Marek Intan wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Marek Intan wrote...

DHKany wrote...

^except biotic charge doesn't deal 8000 (I think) base DPS and it doesn't cheese incendiary ammo. It also doesn't allow you to potentially one clip platinum bosses whilst in the complete safety of ramps and right hand advantage.

Reegar's "risk" of getting close is about as laughable as saying that the Harrier's "balancing factor" is its low ammo capacity.

...But with PUGS, these "balancing factors" are surprisingly relevant.

If we were to use PUGs as balacing factors then nothing would be considered OP. 

And if we were to balance around BSN'ers, we'd be balancing for the vast minority of players.

This. Wepon X is insanely powerful in the hands of the top 1 percent of the playerbase and that means it is gamebrakingly OP? I don't get this logic. Also I tried to replicate the Incinerate-Incendiary-Reegear Bug as shown by Sirian in his Vid. No chance to get the same result. Not even close. Reegar on , I assume, 120fps (which is not even intended to be possible by the devs...) is not the same Reegar on a 60fps or even 30fps host.

[DragonRacer]

Gonna be honest... evaluating a gun on Silver AND using the Turian Soldier is a bad way to assess a gun. Everything works awesome on Silver, and the Turian Soldier makes even the worst of guns pretty dang good.

Just my opinion.

[DHKany]

Just because people can't use a gun doesn't mean that it's not OP. Holy shit people how hard is it to understand.

Also, You're doing it wrong with incendiary glitch cause I can do it just fine at 20 FPS.

[Cirvante]

DHKany wrote...

Just because people can't use a gun doesn't mean that it's not OP. Holy shit people how hard is it to understand.

Also, You're doing it wrong with incendiary glitch cause I can do it just fine at 20 FPS.

No way, console Reegar is totally balanced.

[SoundWraith]

Cirvante wrote...

DHKany wrote...

Just because people can't use a gun doesn't mean that it's not OP. Holy shit people how hard is it to understand.

Also, You're doing it wrong with incendiary glitch cause I can do it just fine at 20 FPS.

No way, console Reegar is totally balanced.

Yup it is.
I can only one clip a gold atlas with the valkyrie sentinel set-up. Can't do it for possessed praetorians at all.