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[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival is a heretic and must be purged

I also do not use mouse for PC. Can you imagine that?

are you going to confess before or after the torture?

I have nothing to confess about. I'm just an ordinary man with a graphic tablet instead of mouse attached to PC

[Mr.House]

Next thing we know, Seival is going to also say he hates ASOIAF.

[fivezeros]

The quality of the worldbuilding.

[Seival]

Mr.House wrote...

Next thing we know, Seival is going to also say he hates ASOIAF.

I don't like that even more than Harry Potter.

[Seival]

But let's get back to the topic.

I like Dragon Age

Modifié par Seival, 22 septembre 2013 - 04:19 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

Mr.House wrote...

Seival wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

The Witcher is awesome. 

And also one of the series I don't like at all no matter the quality of the game. Witcher's devs managed to put into one game almost everything I dislike. "Good" job.

So you don't like good C&C that does not exsist in Bioware games or a world that is more alive then any Bioware game?

I ddon't find witcher combat good, compoundingly irritating in it's execution more thsn anything else. The bullettime power selection system is much more irritating than a simple pause one. Selecting traps is needlessly harder than it should be. Enemy movements don't seem to match up with actual trigger promps for countering or accurately dodging. And I find how weak geralt is/ how much stronger every enemy is, even the stupid overgrown lizards, to be bad game design. Maybe it is a sign of a good game design for you, but I find it bad.

As for the world, I ddidn't see anything that made it more alive than any other modern game.

[Insomniak]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
You do realize most of those are common tropes right?

The content of DA lore may not be so unique, but I think the way they present it to the audience is. That's probably why it comes off as "novel" to the fanbase. Same themes in a different light lets you see things that you might have missed before. Specifically, the way they introduce different view points surrounding a controversial issue through richly developed characters. This gives the opposing side(s) (which might have just been an abstract idea) a concrete face - something you can more easily see, understand, and/or get attached to.

Modifié par javajedi217, 22 septembre 2013 - 04:42 .

[Mr.House]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Seival wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

The Witcher is awesome. 

And also one of the series I don't like at all no matter the quality of the game. Witcher's devs managed to put into one game almost everything I dislike. "Good" job.

So you don't like good C&C that does not exsist in Bioware games or a world that is more alive then any Bioware game?

I ddon't find witcher combat good, compoundingly irritating in it's execution more thsn anything else. The bullettime power selection system is much more irritating than a simple pause one. Selecting traps is needlessly harder than it should be. Enemy movements don't seem to match up with actual trigger promps for countering or accurately dodging. And I find how weak geralt is/ how much stronger every enemy is, even the stupid overgrown lizards, to be bad game design. Maybe it is a sign of a good game design for you, but I find it bad.

As for the world, I ddidn't see anything that made it more alive than any other modern game.

I never said combat

[Gwydden]

I don't really get the Witcher worship going on around here, other than the undeniable fact that people can like different things than I do. I've tried to played it countless times, generally when I was extremely bored and therefore more inclined to like it. I can't never seen to get to far through it. The characters all strike me as uninteresting at best and repelling at worse (and there are a lot of worses). The world an the people in it are way to mundane and the plot wasn't enough to keep me going with everything else failing to do so. And may I say what an extremely boring character Geralt was.

Of course that's just all my opinion and my tastes. Still, DA rules.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I misread c&c as combat. Sorry, my bad.

What Iis it anyway? 

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 22 septembre 2013 - 04:36 .

[Ieolus]

mickey111 wrote...

It is not special, and I think Bioware know it. Afterall they're the ones who rearranged the name of a popular fantasy series into a little town called Lord of the rings

Edit:  Oops, someone mentioned this already.  My bad.

Small gripe...
 http://social.biowar...44&lf=8#1118664
 dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Lothering#Trivia

"David Gaider named Lothering. He'd watched 'Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas' the night before and used that as the basis of the name. For a time, the plot of Lothering was called 'Fear and Loathing in Ferelden.'"

Modifié par Ieolus, 22 septembre 2013 - 05:05 .

[Plaintiff]

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I can be gay in it.

That is literally the only thing I care about. Otherwise, the world of Dragon Age is not sufficiently different from most Western Fantasy to catch my attention.

More or less this, but I find much of the ancient history and magic to be fascinating as well. And the characters.

What happen to just playing a game because it was fun? *sigh* I miss the 90s when games where made just to have fun.

You know what I think is fun?

Being gay.

[Gwydden]

Plaintiff wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

I can be gay in it.

That is literally the only thing I care about. Otherwise, the world of Dragon Age is not sufficiently different from most Western Fantasy to catch my attention.

More or less this, but I find much of the ancient history and magic to be fascinating as well. And the characters.

What happen to just playing a game because it was fun? *sigh* I miss the 90s when games where made just to have fun.

You know what I think is fun?

Being gay.

It does make ethimological sense.

[Nole]

 DA:O was really good but I don't think there's anything special, or different from the rest, about its lore. Still better than the Witcher.

[Maiden Crowe]

Gwydden wrote...

I don't really get the Witcher worship going on around here, other than the undeniable fact that people can like different things than I do. I've tried to played it countless times, generally when I was extremely bored and therefore more inclined to like it. I can't never seen to get to far through it. The characters all strike me as uninteresting at best and repelling at worse (and there are a lot of worses). The world an the people in it are way to mundane and the plot wasn't enough to keep me going with everything else failing to do so. And may I say what an extremely boring character Geralt was.

Of course that's just all my opinion and my tastes. Still, DA rules.

I think the biggest thing that legitimately turns people off the Witcher is the combat, some people expect their character to be a death dealing demigod and when presented with a combat system that requires strategy, coordination and planning it is no wonder they cant get into it. As for finding the characters uninteresting and the world and plot mundane I can only assume this is more because of some misguided loyalty to Bioware that causes people to actively want to hate the universe for being infinitely better written than Bioware's cheap knock off.

I mean if we compare Origins to the Witcher 2 you will find the Witcher 2 has far more complex and believable characters with believable motivations, the world is far richer and better thought out with a lot more thought put into the bestiary and relationships between nations and races, I mean you can clearly see how the world evolved and came to be how it is where the Dragon Age universe just took common fantasy tropes and then out of fear of looking unoriginal just played the opposite game (making Elves poor and downtrodden, setting the world in the southern hemisphere) to hide their lack of creativity, anyone can subvert a trope however without reason there is nothing really creative about it. As for the plots there is simply no comparison, Origins struggles to pull off the "Big Bad" story without screwing it up however the Witcher 2 has a far more complex and interesting plot with multiple characters all with conflicting goals all trying to come out on top and undermine each other and yet it still manages to keep everything together and tell a compelling and believable tale with no major plot holes.

I mean opinions aside the Witcher 2 is far better than anything Bioware has produced in recent years, if we are to go by opinions then personally I prefer a game that is less misogynistic that allows me to create and play my own character but I still can not deny that the Witcher 2 is far superior to any game released by the Dragon Age team.


That being said I have no idea how we got onto the Witcher as this thread is supposed to be about what makes the Dragon Age universe special and not how it fails in comparison to the Witcher.

Seival wrote...

 - No trolls.

Actually there are trolls in the Dragon Age universe.  

[In Exile]

Maiden Crowe wrote...
I think the biggest thing that legitimately turns people off the Witcher is the combat, some people expect their character to be a death dealing demigod and when presented with a combat system that requires strategy, coordination and planning it is no wonder they cant get into it.

You are totally a death dealing demi-god in TW. In fact, that's part of your personal lore as a Witcher. Gameplay wise, too, TW2 and TW1 let you get pretty OP pretty fast. Haven't played TW2 in a while so I'm sure they nerfed Quen (or whatever the shield sign was), but that let you get through the game on the non-delete-your-save mode easily. 

[Maiden Crowe]

In Exile wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...
I think the biggest thing that legitimately turns people off the Witcher is the combat, some people expect their character to be a death dealing demigod and when presented with a combat system that requires strategy, coordination and planning it is no wonder they cant get into it.

You are totally a death dealing demi-god in TW. In fact, that's part of your personal lore as a Witcher. Gameplay wise, too, TW2 and TW1 let you get pretty OP pretty fast. Haven't played TW2 in a while so I'm sure they nerfed Quen (or whatever the shield sign was), but that let you get through the game on the non-delete-your-save mode easily. 

Tell that to this guy

[Kidd]

Lore-wise, I much appreciate how the world feels real in the sense that there are no perfect history books that speak objective truths. Events are grey not just morally, but also factually. Different cultures have various perspectives that aren't at all compatible. I really like that. This extends from historical events, to how things today should be perceived and even the absence or existence of any and all gods.

There's also the whole mage-templar-tranquil conundrum which is very interesting to me. Magic has a place, and it is a place that feels very realistic. Let's also not forget pretty much everything related to the Qun. I adore everything Qunari.

But I'd say what truly makes DA special is not the lore itself, but how it's written. These two things go hand-in-hand somewhat, but are not entirely the same thing. The writing is not only good, it also dares to ask questions of the player. Most fantasy fiction is very irrelevant to our world, and that is fine in itself. But DA is unique in that things so often parallel our world, only through magical origin instead of wearing the same face we are used to see the issues in.

Add in fantastic characters and you've got yourself a real gem.

And finally,

Plaintiff wrote...

I can be gay in it.

(but I'd add "and female without feeling like The Other" here as well!)

[Gwydden]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

I don't really get the Witcher worship going on around here, other than the undeniable fact that people can like different things than I do. I've tried to played it countless times, generally when I was extremely bored and therefore more inclined to like it. I can't never seen to get to far through it. The characters all strike me as uninteresting at best and repelling at worse (and there are a lot of worses). The world an the people in it are way to mundane and the plot wasn't enough to keep me going with everything else failing to do so. And may I say what an extremely boring character Geralt was.

Of course that's just all my opinion and my tastes. Still, DA rules.

I think the biggest thing that legitimately turns people off the Witcher is the combat, some people expect their character to be a death dealing demigod and when presented with a combat system that requires strategy, coordination and planning it is no wonder they cant get into it. As for finding the characters uninteresting and the world and plot mundane I can only assume this is more because of some misguided loyalty to Bioware that causes people to actively want to hate the universe for being infinitely better written than Bioware's cheap knock off.

I mean if we compare Origins to the Witcher 2 you will find the Witcher 2 has far more complex and believable characters with believable motivations, the world is far richer and better thought out with a lot more thought put into the bestiary and relationships between nations and races, I mean you can clearly see how the world evolved and came to be how it is where the Dragon Age universe just took common fantasy tropes and then out of fear of looking unoriginal just played the opposite game (making Elves poor and downtrodden, setting the world in the southern hemisphere) to hide their lack of creativity, anyone can subvert a trope however without reason there is nothing really creative about it. As for the plots there is simply no comparison, Origins struggles to pull off the "Big Bad" story without screwing it up however the Witcher 2 has a far more complex and interesting plot with multiple characters all with conflicting goals all trying to come out on top and undermine each other and yet it still manages to keep everything together and tell a compelling and believable tale with no major plot holes.

I mean opinions aside the Witcher 2 is far better than anything Bioware has produced in recent years, if we are to go by opinions then personally I prefer a game that is less misogynistic that allows me to create and play my own character but I still can not deny that the Witcher 2 is far superior to any game released by the Dragon Age team.


That being said I have no idea how we got onto the Witcher as this thread is supposed to be about what makes the Dragon Age universe special and not how it fails in comparison to the Witcher.

We'll have to agree to disagree, and simply accept the fact that different people like different things.

[Maiden Crowe]

But I agree with you, I mean I do prefer a game where I can create my own character however I still need to acknowledge that the Witcher 2 is objectively far superior to both Origins and DA2 combined.

[Fiery Phoenix]

To OP: I highly recommend buying World of Thedas, if you don't already have it. I got a copy last month and have been reading it bit by bit ever since. It's beautifully written and sheds a lot of light on the universe/lore of the series.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 22 septembre 2013 - 08:15 .

[Gwydden]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

But I agree with you, I mean I do prefer a game where I can create my own character however I still need to acknowledge that the Witcher 2 is objectively far superior to both Origins and DA2 combined.

There is no such thing as objectively superior. Any judgement passed on a work of art is, by its very nature, subjective.