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[PingoBlack]

Mitch0821 wrote...

That said I honestly never really looked at her in a romantic way in ME1. By the end of the game I viewed her more like a sister then somebody to potentially hook up with.

Biology is not compatible, but sure as hell you need someone to chat up about schematich once in a while. Engineers or Infiltrators at least. :innocent:

[Willowhugger]

The appeal of Tali is a bit difficult to nail down but I think she taps into the fact that she's simultaneously more feminine than Ashley but also more kick butt than Liara. That and she's got a cute accent. She's basically the thief of the party and everyone loves the Thief.

[Taritu]

She feels fun. Very enthusiastic about everything. Just a pleasure to be around, and no drama.

[Xivai]

Tali is so boring. She acts like a little kid a lot of the time. She and her people are afraid of the Geth they created and attempted to destroy first. The Geth were just being all friendly.



Then instead of doing the right thing and finding a planet asap they go and wander the galaxy mooching off of other people. They refuse to admit they are wrong and are running from the past. To prideful to admit they will never get their home world back to go and look for a new planet. They don't open the fleet to visitors, and they are little xenophobes, but they won't admit that. They only have such an "enlightened" view of the galaxy because they aren't an active part of it as they continue to run away. I bet once they settle down they will start up with the xenophobe culture. Father like son eh? Look at the Geth. They learned to be like that from somewhere.



They made all of their problems and they choose to run away from those facts. Oh and then they go and blame the Geth.



Then you have to listen to her boring rants about how the Geth are evil and her boring childish culture.

[jomonoe]

She exhibits curiosity about the galaxy that Liara and Ashley do not. Liara is focused solely on the Protheans. I think that that's what makes so likable (lovable?) because she is just like the player, wanting to know everything about everything.

[Willowhugger]

Tali is so boring. She acts like a little kid a lot of the time. She and her people are afraid of the Geth they created and attempted to destroy first. The Geth were just being all friendly.

No offense, but they had their entire race slaughtered. I kept wondering if everyone in the galaxy was a psychopath to treat the Quarians with such smug moral superiority when their entire race was annihilated by evil machines. The quarians may have "started it" but what kind of sick bastard thinks that they deserved genocide in return?



I really lost respect for Garrus when he asked whether Tali's people showed appropriate remorse for what they did.

[Hulluliini]

She's a cutie pie. =)

[Mox Ruuga]

It is a mystery.

My best guess is that it's people wanting what they cannot have. Or a weird meme I've never "got"...

Tali has nothing to recommend her, easily one of the most bland and nondescript personalities for a "squaddie" NPC in any Bioware game. Basically, she blathers on like a walking codex entry about her people.

We shall see if people start whinging about wanting to romance Zaeed, Mordin, random asari #245, Aria, etc. after this game. Or if Samara is not romanceable, and thus gains a similar following.

You can sort of see a similar clamoring with the DA:O fanbase, with all the hoopla about Bann Teagan, Cullen, and even that supremely whiny git Jowan. All three have heaps more characterization and personality than Tali of course, but perhaps the male furries that comprise the Tali fandom are just that much more shallow?

[DarthReavus]

I think the most vocal Talimancers are actually female...

[Sialboats]

Willowhugger wrote...

Tali is so boring. She acts like a little kid a lot of the time. She and her people are afraid of the Geth they created and attempted to destroy first. The Geth were just being all friendly.

No offense, but they had their entire race slaughtered. I kept wondering if everyone in the galaxy was a psychopath to treat the Quarians with such smug moral superiority when their entire race was annihilated by evil machines. The quarians may have "started it" but what kind of sick bastard thinks that they deserved genocide in return?

I really lost respect for Garrus when he asked whether Tali's people showed appropriate remorse for what they did.

Alright, here's her one character flaw.

A group of Geth walked up to their Quarian slavemaster one day and said, "Hey, why are we here?"
The slavemaster went slack-jawed.  "W-what?", he stutters out.
"Yeah, you know. What's the meaning of life, and what is emotion, and where do we go when we die, and why do all the quarian girls never want to go out with us? " He turned around to his comrades and saw curiously tilted flashlight heads. "Sorry, it was just this unit who wanted to know that."
The slavemaster breaks and runs.

Next day, the Quarians were setting up concentration camps and calling for the deactivation of every Geth unit ever produced, effectively launching a genocide against the entire Geth population. The Geth defended themselves, retaliating in the only way they had been shown how to - genocide. Tali still thinks the Geth genocide was justified, and that the Quarians should have been able to butcher every last one of them unopposed without the Geth emulating their wonderful example and awnsering in the same style in defense of their entire species.  

So, Tali's a bigot. Aren't we all, though?

[vhatever]

I don't get your logic about tali being "strong" and having to help Liara out of her "mess" makes her less so.

Last I checked, Tali dies if you don't get there in time. Liara got subdued by prothean technology, while tali merely couple of thugs.

Tali was on the citadel because she needed something, liara didn't need anything when she got stuck.

I think all the alien species got a lot of fans in ME, wrex, garrus, liara, and tali. The humans are generally not liked much. I guess fimiliarity breeds contempt.

[Medhia Nox]

I enjoyed Tali, but what I really liked were the Quarian representations in the book. The whole culture of the Migrant Fleet is really interesting. It takes a human culture "Gypsies" and transports it into space - this is what quality sci-fi is about.



Tali is a great introduction to that unusual addition to a sci-fi story.



She's enthusiatic - openly admits that she doesn't have the answers to everything (her explination of the Pilgrimidge is unappologetic in its affirmation that it's a "Right of Passage" - until she completes it she's still a child to her people) - and she has "good friend" potential. Her character isn't muddied with romance options that eat up her allotted "RP space."



Anyway, that's why I enjoyed her character. She seemed liked the strongest female character on my ship.

[Novacain999]

A few reasons personally, though I'm not all "Oooh, I heart my adorable Tali" like some (apparently) are.



1. She's a very well developed character. Just talking to Tali about the Quarians and Geth takes up more time then the entire conversational setup for Garrus. She is developed a personality that she holds strong too, and even though I disagree with her on the Geth front, I don't expect to agree with actual people on every single aspect. Don't see why I should in a video game either, and at least she backs up her opinion with a firm stance.



2. Mystery. Lets be honest, anyone who has any investment in Tali wants to see her unmasked, for "getting busy" purposes or otherwise. Finding out what the Quarians look like under the suit is something they will build up, because it's gains interest in their species, let alone Tali, as a group.



3.Not a stereotype: Seriously, I loved the characters from Mass Effect, but they all fell into kinda a generic mold to me except Wrex and Tali. Doesn't mean I disliked Ash, Kaid, Liara, or Garrus, just that those 2 characters, to me, had much more interesting dialogue.



4. She's a badass. I play my teams in strict rotations (My teams, to be specific, are Tali/Ashley, Wrex/Kaiden, Liara/Garrus), but if there's a mission when I feel like my best need to come out, I call Tali/Ashley, mainly because of Tali. She is the most effective squadmate in the game against the Geth when built properly.



5.Youthful "Innocence" is endearing. Her enthusiasm makes the game more fun.



So yeah, there's my list. If she's romancable, even though I generally always play FemShep, I might make a run at Male Shepard to do so.

[mrao]

her people are afraid of the Geth they created and attempted to destroy first.

They attempted to deactivate the Geth because they assumed the majority were still not sentient, in order to avoid a violent rebellion that was obviously coming (the Geth were used as slave labor). They were wrong, and as a result of this the Geth killed most of the Quarians. What do you expect them to do 300 years later, other than simply continue to focus on survival? Try diplomacy? You mean with the Geth that just tried to help Sovereign exterminate all life in the galaxy?

Legion and the split in the Geth collective is a new development. Most in the galaxy view them as evil killer robots, because in mass effect 1 that is what they were.

I think it was Willowhugger that made a post here comparing the Quarian/Geth situation to humans/Skynet in terminator.  Are you not sympathetic with the humans in the terminator films?

In the end, I guess we don't really know the details of what happened with the creation of the Geth. Perhaps we will find out in ME2.

Modifié par mrao, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:08 .

[Handren]

Mox Ruuga wrote...

 All three have heaps more characterization and personality than Tali of course, but perhaps the male furries that comprise the Tali fandom are just that much more shallow?

Furries? WTF? Aren't those the people who like wolf/fox people or something?

[Novacain999]

mrao wrote...

her people are afraid of the Geth they created and attempted to destroy first.

They attempted to deactivate the Geth because they assumed the majority were still not sentient, in order to avoid a violent rebellion that was obviously coming (the Geth were used as slave labor). They were wrong, and as a result of this the Geth killed most of the Quarians. What do you expect them to do 300 years later, other than simply continue to focus on survival? Try diplomacy? You mean with the Geth that just tried to help Sovereign exterminate all life in the galaxy?

Legion and the split in the Geth collective is a new development. Most in the galaxy view them as evil killer robots, because in mass effect 1 that is what they were.

I think it was Willowhugger that made a post here comparing the Quarian/Geth situation to humans/Skynet in terminator.  Are you not sympathetic with the humans in the terminator films?

Honestly, this is somewhat unrelated, but am I the only one that views the biggest "What If" in the Mass Effect universe being "What if the Quarians released the Geth from servitude to grow on their own, in an attempt to avoid a potential uprising, instead of trying to shut them down?"

Just something that's kinda always been stuck in the back of my head

[Emperor Mars]

vhatever wrote...

I don't get your logic about tali being "strong" and having to help Liara out of her "mess" makes her less so.

Last I checked, Tali dies if you don't get there in time. Liara got subdued by prothean technology, while tali merely couple of thugs.

Tali was on the citadel because she needed something, liara didn't need anything when she got stuck.

I think all the alien species got a lot of fans in ME, wrex, garrus, liara, and tali. The humans are generally not liked much. I guess fimiliarity breeds contempt.

Here is what I meant by that


Tali managed to find, then understand a piece of Geth technology that was essential to Shepards mission, when she came into conflict, she throws a gernade its like this han solo thing I read earlier

But the door opens, and there’s Darth Vader. Han doesn’t look incredulously at Lando; he doesn’t duck or run away. What does Han do? He starts shooting at the mother****er .He starts shooting.Be like Han.

Now I will not compare Han to Tali, but it is clear that she is capable of getting shot, getting herself healed, then coming in contact with a criminal organization, with no ones help....then tossing a gernade at her potential killers...Liara on the other hand....when you first meet her, she trapper herself...even though she was supposed to be an expert on this technology.

For lack of a better word.,,,tali has balls

Modifié par Emperor Mars, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:15 .

[Medhia Nox]

((Mild book spoilers))



Slightly off topic - but I'm a little surprised the Migrant Fleet hasn't found a new homeworld yet.



What I do find interesting is that, by the end of Ascension, the Migrant Fleet has sent out ships to search for just such a world.



I have a feeling that Shepard will be assisting Tali in finding the new Quarian homeworld.

[Naltair]

I found her to be interesting and smart and she could hack geth, that was my main initial appeal.

[Turbooggyboy]

ASHLEY 4-EVER!



Seriously though, never really felt for Tali. If you know what I mean...

[FlintlockJazz]

It is essentially the mystery (dunno what she looks like) and unattainability (not a LI option, nor can you find out whats behind the mask no matter what you do) that I believe are the main factors at work here. Them and the Kaylee factor, the fact that both Mass Effect and Firefly both have a female mechanic that's well-liked indicates there's something about young girl mechanics that are cheerful that are somehow appealing.

[Handren]

Turbooggyboy wrote...

ASHLEY 4-EVER!

Seriously though, never really felt for Tali. If you know what I mean...

That's all well and good. The problems only begin when people start hurling insults and labels at others for their choice of LI.

[mrao]

Honestly, this is somewhat unrelated, but am I the only one that views the biggest "What If" in the Mass Effect universe being "What if the Quarians released the Geth from servitude to grow on their own, in an attempt to avoid a potential uprising, instead of trying to shut them down?"

Just something that's kinda always been stuck in the back of my head

I assume it would be because most Quarians assumed that the majority of the Geth were still mindless machines when they attempted to deactivate them. I get the feeling they never really understood what the Geth were capable of until it was far too late.

More on topic, I always viewed her as my friendly, helpful, kickass sidekick. We were like Riggs and Murtaugh, or Han and Chewbacca.

She seems to have little personal baggage as well, which depending on who you are might be a plus or a minus.

Modifié par mrao, 19 janvier 2010 - 08:24 .

[Kr0gan]

The Geth slave labor? It seems that Battlestar Galactica really mess with some people heads, actually if a tool has a flaw it is retired of the market, that happened with the Geth, they presented a fatal flaw but their creators couldn't retired their tools of the market soon enough.



Regarding Tali, i like her as a friend of Sheppard but i think that all the Tali Love is based morein wishfull thinking than in the real character.