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[Laughing_Man]

Elton John is dead wrote...

If anyone should be an antagonist it needs to be a mage who is not only a Blood Mage but an atheist too just so I can rejoice in the delicious tears of BSN after release.

Please make it happen Bioware.

I mean these desperate emotional threads I keep seeing about "exposing The Maker to be false!" and "I want to destroy The Chantry" it's like these people would get sexually excited from all this stuff if it happened to be put into the game.

Just keep creepy atheism out of my game. Assassin's Creed shoved enough of it down my throat.

The terrible logic I'm seeing here is this:

"I want to kill Cullen because he's religious."

We all know that's the real reason. Considering the events of Origins and DA2, Cullen has every right to be angry with mages who quite possibly could have drove him slightly crazy with paranoia. He doesn't deserve to die for that.

It's no suprise most haters of Cullen and the templars are anti-religious and are simply projecting their own world-view into the game.

Seems like you ignored my clarification and went for the easy quote. Oh well, it's to be expected.

What I did was only to point out what I learned from my experience dealing with religious types:
Logic is usually less important to them than emotion, and they are very fast to shove their opinions about what they see as the "Only Truth" into everyone's faces, without regard for other opinions, or to the possibility that just *maybe* they might be wrong.

Contrary to you I'm not looking for justification to my beliefs in a video-game. (even if it's somewat nice to have it)
The only thing I'm looking for in a video-game is quality-entertainment.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 24 septembre 2013 - 08:23 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Indeed.
Religion is usually more about emotions than about logic.
And then when said religion tries to force it's rules on everyone else, you get self-rightous fanatics that do just about anything to reach said religion's "haven".

When ANYONE tries to force their rules on everyone else - in the name God, the party, the country, political correctness, a better world, etc.. - you get self-rightous fanatics that do just about anything.
Religion is irrelevant in that.
All that is neededd is belief in your correctness and determination to enforce it over others.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Vicious wrote...

I detest the Red Lyrium plot device and everything about it. It's a horrible, horrible idea that ruined DA2 for me (among other things) and by htel ooks of it is ruining DA:I.

next to no info except they are a side antagonist = ruining the game cmon you're better than that.

Does Red Lyrium turn templars into sorta-abomiations/golems?
Yes?
Then its' ruined.

[Chanda]

I think it would be too predictable for it to be Cullen or Lambert. I think it's someone that we haven't met, yet.

What would I want out of him... Hmm... To be super intelligent.

[KainD]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

When ANYONE tries to force their rules on everyone else - in the name God, the party, the country, political correctness, a better world, etc.. - you get self-rightous fanatics that do just about anything.
Religion is irrelevant in that.
All that is neededd is belief in your correctness and determination to enforce it over others.

I'm so confused right now.. 

You just made a completely anarchic statement, and yet you support the need for something like a circle system? 

I'm pretty sure I could take this quote of yours ( implying that you agree with it ) and debunk a whole bunch of your other points made in other threads. 

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Indeed.
Religion is usually more about emotions than about logic.
And then when said religion tries to force it's rules on everyone else, you get self-rightous fanatics that do just about anything to reach said religion's "haven".

When ANYONE tries to force their rules on everyone else - in the name God, the party, the country, political correctness, a better world, etc.. - you get self-rightous fanatics that do just about anything.
Religion is irrelevant in that.
All that is neededd is belief in your correctness and determination to enforce it over others.

You are absolutely right!
In a way, communism, ****sm, and lot of other ideologis are very much like a religion.
Religions were just the first concept that was used to channel those urges on a massive scale in order to achive
the leader's goals and beliefs.

[KainD]

TheRedVipress wrote...

In a way, communism, ****sm, and lot of other ideologis are very much like a religion.

You mean ALL the ideologies right?

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheRedVipress wrote...

What I did was only to point out what I learned from my experience dealing with religious types:
Logic is usually less important to them than emotion, and they are very fast to shove their opinions about what they see as the "Only Truth" into everyone's faces, without regard for other opinions, or to the possibility that just *maybe* they might be wrong.

Funny.
I had a similar experience with most atheists I ran across.

Just goes to show you that people are ultimatively people and act the same.

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

What I did was only to point out what I learned from my experience dealing with religious types:
Logic is usually less important to them than emotion, and they are very fast to shove their opinions about what they see as the "Only Truth" into everyone's faces, without regard for other opinions, or to the possibility that just *maybe* they might be wrong.

Funny.
I had a similar experience with most atheists I ran across.

Just goes to show you that people are ultimatively people and act the same.

The difference is, an atheist might laugh at you because he dosen't respect your religion.
A religious person usually tries to force his religion on you in various ways, for example by making laws according to his religious beliefs that will prevent anyone to act in some way, etc.

That said, no doubt part of this is a human problem. Religion was invented by humans, for humans.
Religion just seems to take these things to the extreme. That's my opinion at least.

[Laughing_Man]

KainD wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

In a way, communism, ****sm, and lot of other ideologis are very much like a religion.

You mean ALL the ideologies right?

Yes and no.
Ideology can be a good thing, but when you frame it into a system, and connect it to both the religious and clanish needs of the human, it takes on a life of it's own.
Sometimes it can remain a good thing, other times it becomes a monster.

[KainD]

TheRedVipress wrote...
An religious atheist person usually tries to force his religion ways on you, for example by making laws according to his religious own beliefs that will prevent anyone to act in some way, etc.

So much different. 

[Laughing_Man]

KainD wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...
An religious atheist person usually tries to force his religion ways on you, for example by making laws according to his religious own beliefs that will prevent anyone to act in some way, etc.

So much different. 

Hmm... what can an atheist person force you to do? Pray to the flying spaghetti monster?
I know that I live in a country in which a religious minority has more say than it should about laws that concern everyone else.

[Cainhurst Crow]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

What I did was only to point out what I learned from my experience dealing with religious types:
Logic is usually less important to them than emotion, and they are very fast to shove their opinions about what they see as the "Only Truth" into everyone's faces, without regard for other opinions, or to the possibility that just *maybe* they might be wrong.

Funny.
I had a similar experience with most atheists I ran across.

Just goes to show you that people are ultimatively people and act the same.

The difference is, an atheist might laugh at you because he dosen't respect your religion.
A religious person usually tries to force his religion on you in various ways, for example by making laws according to his religious beliefs that will prevent anyone to act in some way, etc.

That said, no doubt part of this is a human problem. Religion was invented by humans, for humans.
Religion just seems to take these things to the extreme. That's my opinion at least.

Yeah, cause there would never be a group of people who don't believe in religion who, when they get in power, would outlaw religions and make their regime the center of culture and morals. All those liars from the communist states and their filthy anti-atheist agendas and fake gunshot wounds and mass graves.

Or are you saying people who are religious and in no position of power would create laws, in which case I will need to ask how exactly you think laws are made?

Because from my experience, atheist and religious people tend to be pretty much the same, both just brushing it off as no big deal and a matter of personal choice, and not making it a big deal.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 24 septembre 2013 - 08:52 .

[KainD]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Hmm... what can an atheist person force you to do? Pray to the flying spaghetti monster?
I know that I live in a country in which a religious minority has more say than it should about laws that concern everyone else.

An atheist person has as much say in the law as a religious person, and I can disagree with those ideas and consider them to be bad. 

You need a straight example? Just a random thing from the top of my head:
I am supposed to wear a seat belt, even though it's my own life, and I do not feel comfortable wearing it. If I don't I get fined. 

I could make you a whole list of laws that I consider idiotic and/or offensive if I took my time. It includes social laws, marriage laws, military etc. 

The main idea is: EVERYBODY has an ideology. 

Modifié par KainD, 24 septembre 2013 - 08:58 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hopefully it's every templar, and we get to have a bonfire.

[Laughing_Man]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Yeah, cause there would never be a group of people who don't believe in religion who, when they get in power, would outlaw religions and make their regime the center of culture and morals. All those liars from the communist states and their filthy anti-atheist agendas and fake gunshot wounds and mass graves.

Or are you saying people who are religious and in no position of power would create laws, in which case I will need to ask how exactly you think laws are made?

Because from my experience, atheist and religious people tend to be pretty much the same, both just brushing it off as no big deal and a matter of personal choice, and not making it a big deal.

I don't think youv'e read all I wrote.
I consider communism a type of religion in itself.
Hell, an atheist can be "religious" about his beliefs too. Or a vegeterian.
It's just that most of those countries in which a structured ideology tells everyone else what they shold do and eat,
(and I don't mean things like drugs or murder) or not do and not eat, are usually religious.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

So this thread has turned into a pathetic discussion about your hatred toward religions and how smart and innocent you atheists are.

An atheist person usually tries to force his ethics/pragmatics on you, for example by making laws according to his own ****-ism that will prevent anyone to act in some way, etc.

corrected.

[Chanda]

Way to derail the thread.

[Laughing_Man]

KainD wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Hmm... what can an atheist person force you to do? Pray to the flying spaghetti monster?
I know that I live in a country in which a religious minority has more say than it should about laws that concern everyone else.

An atheist person has as much say in the law as a religious person, and I can disagree with those ideas and consider them to be bad. 

You need a straight example? Just a random thing from the top of my head:
I am supposed to wear a seat belt, even though it's my own life, and I do not feel comfortable wearing it. If I don't I get fined. 

I could make you a whole list of laws that I consider idiotic and/or offensive if I took my time. It includes social laws, marriage laws, military etc. 

The main idea is: EVERYBODY has an ideology. 

Not the same.
Usually those laws are made because at the time it was believed that it will lower death rates or will prevent other harm. (or at least that's the idea) Not because an invisible person said that you will go to haven if you do it.

[Laughing_Man]

Chanda wrote...

Way to derail the thread.

You are right. My apologies.
I'll be happy to continue the discussion in PM or elswhere.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ausstig wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Assuming for a moment that there is a Templar big bad, I'd guess I'd want him or her to look as less comic booky as possible.

Obviously Dragon Age is going to have its own unique art style rather than just a copy-paste from history, but these would be good starting points:

ONLY THE THIRD ONE IS A TEMPLAR!!

The First one is a Tutonic Knight (who founded Prussia aka modern Germany) and the second is a hospitalia ( who used to run Malta, also they helped with medical stuff, thus why their name looks like hospital. 

Care on my way ward son. 

I'm aware of that.

In fact I found all three images for googling 'Teutonic Knight,' 'Knight Hospitaller' and 'Templar Knight.' The Templars in the game don't necessarily have to look like Knights from the Order of the Temple. Any of the Crusading orders are a good start really for an artist. Or at least they are in my opinion.

True. I agree with you.

[KainD]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Not the same.
Usually those laws are made because at the time it was believed that it will lower death rates or will prevent other harm. (or at least that's the idea) Not because an invisible person said that you will go to haven if you do it.

Point, you are missing it... it doesn't matter why, it is exactly the same. The fact that you agree with one and don't agree with the other doesn't mean that they are different. 

Religious people also believe that the ''invisible man in the sky'' will lower death rates and prevent other harm. 

[Cainhurst Crow]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Yeah, cause there would never be a group of people who don't believe in religion who, when they get in power, would outlaw religions and make their regime the center of culture and morals. All those liars from the communist states and their filthy anti-atheist agendas and fake gunshot wounds and mass graves.

Or are you saying people who are religious and in no position of power would create laws, in which case I will need to ask how exactly you think laws are made?

Because from my experience, atheist and religious people tend to be pretty much the same, both just brushing it off as no big deal and a matter of personal choice, and not making it a big deal.

I don't think youv'e read all I wrote.
I consider communism a type of religion in itself.
Hell, an atheist can be "religious" about his beliefs too. Or a vegeterian.
It's just that most of those countries in which a structured ideology tells everyone else what they shold do and eat,
(and I don't mean things like drugs or murder) or not do and not eat, are usually religious.

You are absolutely adorable, changing the subject and removing the most cruel atheist regimes from consideration because they reflect badly on your group. But you'll turn right around and act like every person who believes in religion wants a theocratic dictatorship in which the church leader forces everyone to do what they say, or face the consequences.

Such a card, you are.

[Jonathan Seagull]

Perhaps everyone could stop making sweeping generalizations about other groups of people, and get back to the topic of the thread.

I tend to doubt that the Big Bad (or even the "human" Big Bad) will be a templar, just because it might echo Meredith a bit too much, even if it's a very different character. There will obviously be the Red Templars, but whether there's any sort of major templar (red or standard) antagonist, we'll see. Same goes for mages.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 24 septembre 2013 - 09:12 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

TheRedVipress wrote...

KainD wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...
An religious atheist person usually tries to force his religion ways on you, for example by making laws according to his religious own beliefs that will prevent anyone to act in some way, etc.

So much different. 

Hmm... what can an atheist person force you to do? Pray to the flying spaghetti monster?
I know that I live in a country in which a religious minority has more say than it should about laws that concern everyone else.

Don't ever say the words jesus, christ, or god again, give to any charities that are tied to a religion, or communicate with anyone who belives in a religion. Or it's straight to the gulag with you, comrade.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 24 septembre 2013 - 09:13 .