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[Mr.House]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Mr. House: It's a totally okay excuse if you feel like you're an oppressed minority.

Hahahahahahahaha
No

[Lokiwithrope]

Please don't get this thread closed.

[Xilizhra]

Lokiwithrope wrote...

Please don't get this thread closed.

As you like. I'll stop responding to further inquiries on that subject.

[Medhia Nox]

@Mr. House: I hope we had our sarcasm detector on.

[Gwydden]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why wouldn't there be?

Why would there be?

If the Agents of Chaos are a group, then the most logical conclusion is that they come from a variety of environments, and if the were trying to cause the Mage-Templar War then is likely that there are representatives of one or both groups among them. More importantly, the Veil Tear and all those magical stuff can only be caused by magic. I don't think that simply for trying it hard a templar will be able to open a tear to the Fade with his sword alone.

[Xilizhra]

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why wouldn't there be?

Why would there be?

If the Agents of Chaos are a group, then the most logical conclusion is that they come from a variety of environments, and if the were trying to cause the Mage-Templar War then is likely that there are representatives of one or both groups among them. More importantly, the Veil Tear and all those magical stuff can only be caused by magic. I don't think that simply for trying it hard a templar will be able to open a tear to the Fade with his sword alone.

I really doubt that anyone deliberately set up the mage/templar war; it's just the natural culmination of a thousand years of tension. I also don't think the agents of chaos are any sort of coherent group; rather, just a general term for various enemies of the Inquisition. I think a single entity is behind the Veil tear, and whatever it is, it's probably beyond mortal conceptions of mage or templar.

[Medhia Nox]

@Gwydden: I so hope they call themselves the "Agents of Chaos" and have a "Chaos Commander" and wage war from "Castle Chaos".

But seriously - what might their reason be for destabilizing Thedas? The Qunari have a reason - even if tearing the Veil doesn't seem like a thing they would ever do (not that we know anything about the Qunari really).

I guess Tevinter has a reason. But demons are resistant to blood magic (or immune) so this whole demon thing is extremely dangerous/stupid for a mage to pull (not that it would stop a mage, since I assert regularly how stupid Thedas mages are).

So aside from "villainy and stuff" what do you think their motive for all this would be? Especially if it's a collection from various groups.

[Br3admax]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why wouldn't there be?

Why would there be?

If the Agents of Chaos are a group, then the most logical conclusion is that they come from a variety of environments, and if the were trying to cause the Mage-Templar War then is likely that there are representatives of one or both groups among them. More importantly, the Veil Tear and all those magical stuff can only be caused by magic. I don't think that simply for trying it hard a templar will be able to open a tear to the Fade with his sword alone.

I really doubt that anyone deliberately set up the mage/templar war; it's just the natural culmination of a thousand years of tension. I also don't think the agents of chaos are any sort of coherent group; rather, just a general term for various enemies of the Inquisition. I think a single entity is behind the Veil tear, and whatever it is, it's probably beyond mortal conceptions of mage or templar.

As compared to what other conceptions?

[Regan Cousland]

Somebody like Death's Hand from Jade Empire. The ultimate templar enforcer. Someone whose name is spoken in whispers of reverence and fear by templars throughout Thedas.

[Xilizhra]

So aside from "villainy and stuff" what do you think their motive for all this would be? Especially if it's a collection from various groups.

Fulfilling the prophecy about "him."

As compared to what other conceptions?

Flemeth or similar powers.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why wouldn't there be?

Why would there be?

If the Agents of Chaos are a group, then the most logical conclusion is that they come from a variety of environments, and if the were trying to cause the Mage-Templar War then is likely that there are representatives of one or both groups among them. More importantly, the Veil Tear and all those magical stuff can only be caused by magic. I don't think that simply for trying it hard a templar will be able to open a tear to the Fade with his sword alone.

I really doubt that anyone deliberately set up the mage/templar war; it's just the natural culmination of a thousand years of tension. I also don't think the agents of chaos are any sort of coherent group; rather, just a general term for various enemies of the Inquisition. I think a single entity is behind the Veil tear, and whatever it is, it's probably beyond mortal conceptions of mage or templar.

That doesn't mean someone would try to manipulate things from both sides to cause more chaos

And everything is still speculations as of now so whoever is behind the Veil tear could if fact be a group of people involved or one single person

[Vicious]

Ancient abominations pull everyone's strings from behind the scenes.

To an outsider looking in, they look like they're just causing chaos.

Modifié par Vicious, 23 septembre 2013 - 02:39 .

[Gwydden]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Gwydden: I so hope they call themselves the "Agents of Chaos" and have a "Chaos Commander" and wage war from "Castle Chaos".

But seriously - what might their reason be for destabilizing Thedas? The Qunari have a reason - even if tearing the Veil doesn't seem like a thing they would ever do (not that we know anything about the Qunari really).

I guess Tevinter has a reason. But demons are resistant to blood magic (or immune) so this whole demon thing is extremely dangerous/stupid for a mage to pull (not that it would stop a mage, since I assert regularly how stupid Thedas mages are).

So aside from "villainy and stuff" what do you think their motive for all this would be? Especially if it's a collection from various groups.

Actually, I use "Agents of Chaos" here as a generic term to refer to the one or the ones responsible for the Veil Tear, if there are any.

I doubt is the Qunari, since they really dislike the Fade and demons and mages for being too chaotic and so on. I figure they'd rather stay away from all that and rely on more classic, less dangerous approaches.

[Medhia Nox]

I think it's that damn Eleni Zinovia statue.

[Vicious]

And everything is still speculations as of now so whoever is behind the Veil tear could if fact be a group of people involved or one single person

This is a fantastical universe. I think it's a mistake to think that it has to be an actual person who is the antagonist. You have an entire dimension loaded with enemies of all who live right next door AT ALL TIMES. People who aren't Templars or Mages tend to forget this.

there is plenty of room for otherworldly influences.

Modifié par Vicious, 23 septembre 2013 - 02:41 .

[wcholcombe]

TheRedVipress wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

If I get to choose, I wish it to be Evangeline.

Otherwise, I hope any templar antagonist is an atheist.
Yes, you read that right. I've always felt that making the Chantry a religious organization was a cheap way of making them harder to sympathize with because nowadays "Organized Religion=Evil".
So, if there must be a templar antagonist, I want him/her to use logic and fear to justify his/her actions because there simply is no way to relate to someone who does things because god ordered it.

It's hard for me to feel sympathy for the templars and the chantry less because they are religious, and more because they made the bed that they are lying in right now.
I mean, there are so many magic users that are against the misuse of magic, and all for reaching some sort of co-existanse, but the chantry didn't use them, they just kicked mages again and again until the only thing left for them was to rebel against the chantry.

It dosen't matter if they acted stupid *because*  of their religion, or if they are stupid regardless of their religion,
the result is the same.

That said, there is a reason why it's hard for most people to be sympathetic toward organised religion.
Most of the time organised religion is a catalyst for ignorance, stagnation, and suspicion or out right hatred
toward everything that isn't part of said religion.

If there is one thing DA lore did well, it's pointing out what religion looks like when it's rampaging out of control.

 In the same way the lore makes singlemindedness look stupid.  It is hard to be sympathetic to terrorists who blow up a whole church and kill the one person seeking to improve things because you think it is too slow.

[Vicious]

In the same way the lore makes singlemindedness look stupid. It is hard to be sympathetic to terrorists who blow up a whole church and kill the one person seeking to improve things because you think it is too slow.

That was done by a Demon and an Abomination. Even Anders (the man) knows what he allowed happen was horribly wrong, as if you rival him he reveals his body is rarely his own anymore, and joins you in the fight against the Circle.

Like I said, it's gotta be demons. We all love human antagonists like Loghain, but this is a fantastical high fantasy universe with plenty of otherworldly influences.

[AresKeith]

Vicious wrote...

And everything is still speculations as of now so whoever is behind the Veil tear could if fact be a group of people involved or one single person

This is a fantastical universe. I think it's a mistake to think that it has to be an actual person who is the antagonist. You have an entire dimension loaded with enemies of all who live right next door AT ALL TIMES. People who aren't Templars or Mages tend to forget this.

there is plenty of room for otherworldly influences.

My own speculations about it are: a group of people, a very power Magister (Dragon Blood involved ), something in the Fade, and Something in the Fade working with someone else in Thedas

[Gwydden]

Vicious wrote...

In the same way the lore makes singlemindedness look stupid. It is hard to be sympathetic to terrorists who blow up a whole church and kill the one person seeking to improve things because you think it is too slow.

That was done by a Demon and an Abomination. Even Anders (the man) knows what he allowed happen was horribly wrong, as if you rival him he reveals his body is rarely his own anymore, and joins you in the fight against the Circle.

Like I said, it's gotta be demons. We all love human antagonists like Loghain, but this is a fantastical high fantasy universe with plenty of otherworldly influences.

I don't think demons can actually escape the Fade without some outside help. Of course that said help may only be absolute chaos and abundant killing in the last years/centuries making the Veil fall under the pressure.

[wcholcombe]

Vicious wrote...

In the same way the lore makes singlemindedness look stupid. It is hard to be sympathetic to terrorists who blow up a whole church and kill the one person seeking to improve things because you think it is too slow.

That was done by a Demon and an Abomination. Even Anders (the man) knows what he allowed happen was horribly wrong, as if you rival him he reveals his body is rarely his own anymore, and joins you in the fight against the Circle.

Like I said, it's gotta be demons. We all love human antagonists like Loghain, but this is a fantastical high fantasy universe with plenty of otherworldly influences.

Yes and if Anders had been properly supervised in a circle he would have never been possessed by justice to become said abomination.

[Gwydden]

wcholcombe wrote...

Vicious wrote...

In the same way the lore makes singlemindedness look stupid. It is hard to be sympathetic to terrorists who blow up a whole church and kill the one person seeking to improve things because you think it is too slow.

That was done by a Demon and an Abomination. Even Anders (the man) knows what he allowed happen was horribly wrong, as if you rival him he reveals his body is rarely his own anymore, and joins you in the fight against the Circle.

Like I said, it's gotta be demons. We all love human antagonists like Loghain, but this is a fantastical high fantasy universe with plenty of otherworldly influences.

Yes and if Anders had been properly supervised in a circle he would have never been possessed by justice to become said abomination.

But he escaped. Who gets the blame for that?

[Heimdall]

It might be that the veil tears are purely accidental, brought about by the clash of powerful magic, Templar powers, and weaponized Red Lyrium over a protracted period... Okay, the last one has to be a deliberate machination, because I like to think nobody was stupid enough to think using that was a good idea on a grand scale.

[Vicious]

I don't think demons can actually escape the Fade without some outside help. Of course that said help may only be absolute chaos and abundant killing in the last years/centuries making the Veil fall under the pressure.

Wasn't the Inquisition created in an ancient age when the veil was extremely weak and demons were all over the place, with the Inquisition's function to protect people (and Mages, if they could) from said Demons?

Would make sense that they are the true enemies of the game, given the veil tear and your organization's whole point being to fight them at every turn, so to speak.

[Medhia Nox]

Gwydden: Who gets blamed for Anders? The Templars.

They allowed him to escape - what was it, seven times? without Tranquilizing him. Since they're so notorious for their zero tolerance mage hating policies.

Had they been more like what people on the BSN painted them as - there would have been no Anders.

[Gwydden]

Lord Aesir wrote...

It might be that the veil tears are purely accidental, brought about by the clash of powerful magic, Templar powers, and weaponized Red Lyrium over a protracted period... Okay, the last one has to be a deliberate machination, because I like to think nobody was stupid enough to think using that was a good idea on a grand scale.

Perhaps they thought discipline and stalwart determination alone would be enough to keep them relatively sane, for a few years at least? It did work for Meredith.

Modifié par Gwydden, 23 septembre 2013 - 02:58 .