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[Cainhurst Crow]

Xilizhra wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
And I'll be sure to judge Anders on how many people he killed by that once we get an actual counter instead of just speculation. All we can nail him on right now is property damage and reckless endangerment.

Well, no. We'd get him on attempted murder (for any survivors and any who we might infer could typically be in the Chantry), murder (for Elthina and the templars) and terrorrism (the name varies by jurisdiction). 

If you're talking about what he's technically guilty of as a freedom fighter, then the answer is obviously nothing since he's a hero of the Revolucion in this narrative. 

I meant in context of the debris field.

He's a murdering extremist as bad as meredith is.

[Br3admax]

Wrong, Darth. When you have magical powers it isn't called terrorism. It's called resisting the oppressive theocracy of the Templars. If anything, Anders is a hero.

[Laughing_Man]

Br3ad wrote...

Wrong, Darth. When you have magical powers it isn't called terrorism. It's called resisting the oppressive theocracy of the Templars. If anything, Anders is a hero.

*facepalm*
If all else fails, use sarcasm.

[Medhia Nox]

@TheRedVipress: It does highlight the mindset of certain individuals on the BSN (and many such radicals in the real world with their own agendas)

[In Exile]

Xilizhra wrote...

I meant in context of the debris field.

Apologies. I don't think I follow. 

[sandalisthemaker]

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I meant in context of the debris field.

Apologies. I don't think I follow. 

Debris field = the flying chunks of Chantry that may have caused damage throughout the city.

[Cainhurst Crow]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I meant in context of the debris field.

Apologies. I don't think I follow. 

Debris field = the flying chunks of Chantry that may have caused damage throughout the city.

And death, don't forget death. If one of those hits someone in the head, they're done for.

[Gwydden]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

And death, don't forget death. If one of those hits someone in the head, they're done for.

Not at all. Anders set it so that only those who weren't pure of heart could die as a result of him nuking the chantry.

[LobselVith8]

Br3ad wrote...

Wrong, Darth. When you have magical powers it isn't called terrorism. It's called resisting the oppressive theocracy of the Templars. If anything, Anders is a hero.

I'm sure the people who condemn the tyranny of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery see Anders as a hero for taking action that lead to their emancipation from a millennia of servitude.

[AresKeith]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Wrong, Darth. When you have magical powers it isn't called terrorism. It's called resisting the oppressive theocracy of the Templars. If anything, Anders is a hero.

I'm sure the people who condemn the tyranny of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery see Anders as a hero for taking action that lead to their emancipation from a millennia of servitude.

I bet the Mages in Kirkwall didn't think that when they got slaughtered for it

[Gwydden]

LobselVith8 wrote...
I'm sure the people who condemn the tyranny of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery see Anders as a hero for taking action that lead to their emancipation from a millennia of servitude.

Why? He didn't emancipated any mages in particular, that I could see. Just make sure a whole lot of them got killed for his actions.

Modifié par Gwydden, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:51 .

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Wrong, Darth. When you have magical powers it isn't called terrorism. It's called resisting the oppressive theocracy of the Templars. If anything, Anders is a hero.

I'm sure the people who condemn the tyranny of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery see Anders as a hero for taking action that lead to their emancipation from a millennia of servitude.

I bet the Mages in Kirkwall didn't think that when they got slaughtered for it.

So much this. I am promage all the way, but Anders took it way too far.

[Hellion Rex]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
And I'll be sure to judge Anders on how many people he killed by that once we get an actual counter instead of just speculation. All we can nail him on right now is property damage and reckless endangerment.

Well, no. We'd get him on attempted murder (for any survivors and any who we might infer could typically be in the Chantry), murder (for Elthina and the templars) and terrorrism (the name varies by jurisdiction). 

If you're talking about what he's technically guilty of as a freedom fighter, then the answer is obviously nothing since he's a hero of the Revolucion in this narrative. 

I meant in context of the debris field.

He's a murdering extremist as bad as meredith is.

They represent the opposite ends of the extremists. Kinda like Xil and Lotion.

[Medhia Nox]

@LobselVith8: Perhaps - but not everyone who believes the Chantry is oppressive would also condone an act of violence that does such incredible damage to an entire city.

Not everyone who loves freedom also loves violence (condoning his actions is support).

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:53 .

[In Exile]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Debris field = the flying chunks of Chantry that may have caused damage throughout the city.

Oh. Well, with that it really depends on the jurisdiction. For example, it Kirkwall had constructive murder provisions then you could ostensibly pin every death in Kirkwall on Anders. 

The legal system would find a way to interpret the law to hold Anders quite culpable, citing the unique facts of the case. 

[LobselVith8]

AresKeith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Wrong, Darth. When you have magical powers it isn't called terrorism. It's called resisting the oppressive theocracy of the Templars. If anything, Anders is a hero.

I'm sure the people who condemn the tyranny of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery see Anders as a hero for taking action that lead to their emancipation from a millennia of servitude.

I bet the Mages in Kirkwall didn't think that when they got slaughtered for it 

I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote...
I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.

You might note that Hawke was the one keeping them from being killed instead of plotting to give Meredith the justification she was desperate for to slaughter them all. 

[Gwydden]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.

Which Anders precipitated and provided a excuse for.

Modifié par Gwydden, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:56 .

[Hellion Rex]

LobselVith8 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Wrong, Darth. When you have magical powers it isn't called terrorism. It's called resisting the oppressive theocracy of the Templars. If anything, Anders is a hero.

I'm sure the people who condemn the tyranny of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery see Anders as a hero for taking action that lead to their emancipation from a millennia of servitude.

I bet the Mages in Kirkwall didn't think that when they got slaughtered for it 

I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.

I see your point, but neither did the  Champion blow up the Chantry either.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Anders even said it himself, "I removed the chance for compromise because there is no compromise."

He knows exactly what he's done, he's forced the mages off a cliff so that they either fight or die.

I spared him once out of friendship. I no longer show him any form of mercy.

[sandalisthemaker]

In Exile wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Debris field = the flying chunks of Chantry that may have caused damage throughout the city.

Oh. Well, with that it really depends on the jurisdiction. For example, it Kirkwall had constructive murder provisions then you could ostensibly pin every death in Kirkwall on Anders. 

The legal system would find a way to interpret the law to hold Anders quite culpable, citing the unique facts of the case. 

He he.
Looking at BSN, Anders is either a psychotic terrorist that must be put to the sword, or a justified freedom-fighter whose only real crime was littering.  

[AresKeith]

LobselVith8 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Wrong, Darth. When you have magical powers it isn't called terrorism. It's called resisting the oppressive theocracy of the Templars. If anything, Anders is a hero.

I'm sure the people who condemn the tyranny of the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery see Anders as a hero for taking action that lead to their emancipation from a millennia of servitude.

I bet the Mages in Kirkwall didn't think that when they got slaughtered for it 

I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.

The Champion would get praise but Anders got damned for causing more tension in the Circle (i.e Asunder)

[LobselVith8]

In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.

You might note that Hawke was the one keeping them from being killed instead of plotting to give Meredith the justification she was desperate for to slaughter them all. 

Hawke can also be romantically involved with Anders, or fighting alongside him as a friend to defeat the templars. I don't think everyone would see Anders in the same light, and I maintain that some mages could see him as a heroic figure.

[Hellion Rex]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Anders even said it himself, "I removed the chance for compromise because there is no compromise."

He knows exactly what he's done, he's forced the mages off a cliff so that they either fight or die.

I spared him once out of friendship. I no longer show him any form of mercy.

This. I let him live so he could "attempt" to atone for his actions and to help me defeat Meredith. Otherwise, we parted ways, friends no longer. He is in part responsible for the deaths that are coming, regardless of whether or not you think he was justified in his actions.

[Paul E Dangerously]

AresKeith wrote...
The Champion would get praise but Anders got damned for causing more tension in the Circle (i.e Asunder)

I'd hope so. He basically just kicked over a hornet's nest. It's not going to make anything better for mages, it'll make it worse.

The fact I despise what they turned "Anders" into in DA2 doesn't really help matters any.