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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Anders even said it himself, "I removed the chance for compromise because there is no compromise."

He knows exactly what he's done, he's forced the mages off a cliff so that they either fight or die.

I spared him once out of friendship. I no longer show him any form of mercy.


And look at Ander's actual result... another year goes by, where it takes the Templars (Seekers) making the first move for the Circle to revolt.

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AresKeith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.


The Champion would get praise but Anders got damned for causing more tension in the Circle (i.e Asunder) 


By Wynne; not by every single mage across the continent.

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LobselVith8 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.


The Champion would get praise but Anders got damned for causing more tension in the Circle (i.e Asunder) 


By Wynne; not by every single mage across the continent.

Adrian was certainly a fan <_<

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Lord Aesir wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I think the hundreds of mages in the Circle of Kirkwall were more focused on avoiding getting slaughtered in an act of genocide. That doesn't change that I'm sure some mages see Anders as a hero; the Champion is certainly a symbol to mages if he opposed Meredith's Right of Annulment.


The Champion would get praise but Anders got damned for causing more tension in the Circle (i.e Asunder) 


By Wynne; not by every single mage across the continent.

Adrian was certainly a fan <_<

Nobody really liked Adrian anyways. Rhys was much cooler.:P

Modifié par eluvianix, 23 septembre 2013 - 04:09 .


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LobselVith8 wrote...
Hawke can also be romantically involved with Anders, or fighting alongside him as a friend to defeat the templars. I don't think everyone would see Anders in the same light, and I maintain that some mages could see him as a heroic figure.


They could. I'm not saying they wouldn't. In fact, I'm sure that a lot of the more extreme Libertarians agree wholeheartedly with what Anders did.

I just don't think that Hawke is a good comparison, because a pro-mage Hawke is only involved as a hero. Hawke's hands are clean, to put it another way. 

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Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!

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Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice from the mortal world that he was never meant for. (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!

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Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!


Anders \\ Justice is in DA:I???  :-0 are you sure?

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 23 septembre 2013 - 04:46 .


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TheRedVipress wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!


Anders Justice is in DA:I???  :-0 are you sure?


ANOTHER retcon?! :blink:

I've killed this dude twice now. :bandit:

Damn you, Gaider.

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Oh **** me he's back!?

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Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice from the mortal world that he was never meant for. (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!

What proof do you have that he is in DA:I?

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wolfhowwl wrote...

Oh **** me he's back!?

I don't think so...I would like to see some proof.

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MasterScribe wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!


Anders Justice is in DA:I???  :-0 are you sure?


ANOTHER retcon?! :blink:

I've killed this dude twice now. :bandit:

Damn you, Gaider.

Wait. :blink: Did you kill him in Awakening?

#189
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eluvianix wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!


Anders Justice is in DA:I???  :-0 are you sure?


ANOTHER retcon?! :blink:

I've killed this dude twice now. :bandit:

Damn you, Gaider.

Wait. :blink: Did you kill him in Awakening?


You mean you didn't?

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Ieolus wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!


Anders Justice is in DA:I???  :-0 are you sure?


ANOTHER retcon?! :blink:

I've killed this dude twice now. :bandit:

Damn you, Gaider.

Wait. :blink: Did you kill him in Awakening?


You mean you didn't?

Um why would I? I liked him in Awakening. Plus, having a Spirit Healer comes in handy. Did you hand him over to Rylock?

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eluvianix wrote...

Um why would I? I liked him in Awakening. Plus, having a Spirit Healer comes in handy. Did you hand him over to Rylock?


Nah, my Anders just died defending the Keep if I recall.

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Ieolus wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Um why would I? I liked him in Awakening. Plus, having a Spirit Healer comes in handy. Did you hand him over to Rylock?


Nah, my Anders just died defending the Keep if I recall.

Oh, gotcha. I kept him with me when I fought the Mother. He pretty much kept me alive during the end.

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Just youtubed rival anders, holy crap he's even more terrifying than I imagined.

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Just youtubed rival anders, holy crap he's even more terrifying than I imagined.

It does get rather bad.

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eluvianix wrote...

Ieolus wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Um why would I? I liked him in Awakening. Plus, having a Spirit Healer comes in handy. Did you hand him over to Rylock?


Nah, my Anders just died defending the Keep if I recall.

Oh, gotcha. I kept him with me when I fought the Mother. He pretty much kept me alive during the end.


I brought lots of poultices with me.

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Even Anders admits peaceful change is still possible... AFTER he blows up the chantry.

so much for "NO COMPROMISE EVER!" That was just Vengeance talking all along. crazy thing is, so many people agree with a psycho fade spirit.

Modifié par Vicious, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:11 .


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Vicious wrote...



Even Anders admits peaceful change is still possible... AFTER he blows up the chantry.

so much for "NO COMPROMISE EVER!" That was just Vengeance talking all along. crazy thing is, so many people agree with a psycho fade spirit.

I disagree. I have not found many that agree with the corrupted Vengeance.

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Xilizhra wrote...

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@Xilizhra: Since you enjoy it so much - you know the explosion throws massive boulders and fire across all of Kirkwall. A city not entirely made of stone. The streets are burning FAR away from the explosion in that video you find so powerful.

And I'll be sure to judge Anders on how many people he killed by that once we get an actual counter instead of just speculation. All we can nail him on right now is property damage and reckless endangerment.


There's supposed to be an orphanage attached to the Chantry he blew up, I think? If that's true, then I can see a case for killing him solely on those grounds even if by some chance everyone in it survived. Not to mention that he recklessly endangered basically everyone within a large radius of the Chantry. Including Hawke, I think.

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TheRedVipress wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!


Anders Justice is in DA:I???  :-0 are you sure?


If Anders is alive then he would probably be in DA:I

If he's dead then Justice might return

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AresKeith wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!


Anders Justice is in DA:I???  :-0 are you sure?


If Anders is alive then he would probably be in DA:I

If he's dead then Justice might return

*facepalm* So help me Maker, he better not blow up another Chantry.