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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I like to see there is two antagonists:
- Da Evil blood mage with the face of Barak Obama.
- Big bad fanatic Templar Commander with the face of John McCain

*cheers*

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

MasterScribe wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Vicious wrote...

Damn this derailed hardcore.

Anyway I find the 'true' Anders is only available if you rival him, where it is revealed that he is little more than Justice's(vengeance's) mouthpiece, deeply regrets what he allowed happen with the destruction of the chantry, and knows making amends is impossible, with his final dialogue implying suicide in the hopes of at least freeing Justice (though since he will apparently be in DA:I this obviously didn't happen)

friendship Anders OTOH is just letting Justice take over him completely. I AM possessed! And I've never felt better!

Anders Justice is in DA:I???  :-0 are you sure?

If Anders is alive then he would probably be in DA:I

If he's dead then Justice might return

I'm just tired of the reappearance/cameo saturation.

I seem to recall a Gaider quote saying he wouldn't be back if he died, if that helps.

[Hellion Rex]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

I like to see there is two antagonists:
- Da Evil blood mage with the face of Barak Obama.
- Big bad fanatic Templar Commander with the face of John McCain

*cheers*

Oh good lord. Here we go...

[Han Shot First]

Assuming for a moment that there is a Templar big bad, I'd guess I'd want him or her to look as less comic booky as possible.

Obviously Dragon Age is going to have its own unique art style rather than just a copy-paste from history, but these would be good starting points:

[Gwydden]

Han Shot First wrote...

Assuming for a moment that there is a Templar big bad, I'd guess I'd want him or her to look as less comic booky as possible.

Obviously Dragon Age is going to have its own unique art style rather than just a copy-paste from history, but these would be good starting points:

I would actually like that one, if not for the horns xD.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Lord Raijin wrote...

Knight-Commander Meredith didn't give Cullen his Captain status just because hes cute and handsome, and that she wanted to jump his bones. They have a similar hate trait against mages. I can see Cullen going crazy after Kirkwall, and then started worshipping and talking to the Red Lyirum Meredith statue. Perhaps he started chipping away pieces and started eating or sniffing it thus creating the Red templars.

They don't.
Why do you people always equate strictness/adherence to duty with hate?

You don't have to hate someone to shoot him you know.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 23 septembre 2013 - 06:26 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

MisterJB wrote...

Otherwise, I hope any templar antagonist is an atheist.
Yes, you read that right. I've always felt that making the Chantry a religious organization was a cheap way of making them harder to sympathize with because nowadays "Organized Religion=Evil".

True.

And for the record, I detest the Red Lyrium plot device and everything about it. It's a horrible, horrible idea that ruined DA2 for me (among other things) and by htel ooks of it is ruining DA:I.

[Ausstig]

Han Shot First wrote...

Assuming for a moment that there is a Templar big bad, I'd guess I'd want him or her to look as less comic booky as possible.

Obviously Dragon Age is going to have its own unique art style rather than just a copy-paste from history, but these would be good starting points:

ONLY THE THIRD ONE IS A TEMPLAR!!

The First one is a Tutonic Knight (who founded Prussia aka modern Germany) and the second is a hospitalia ( who used to run Malta, also they helped with medical stuff, thus why their name looks like hospital. 

Care on my way ward son. 

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Knight-Commander Meredith didn't give Cullen his Captain status just because hes cute and handsome, and that she wanted to jump his bones. They have a similar hate trait against mages. I can see Cullen going crazy after Kirkwall, and then started worshipping and talking to the Red Lyirum Meredith statue. Perhaps he started chipping away pieces and started eating or sniffing it thus creating the Red templars.

They don't.
Why do you people always equate strictness/adherence to duty with hate?

You don't have to hate someone to shoot him you know.

Certainly not.
But to hate him makes it alot easier.
Besides, hate and religion usualy go hand in hand.

[AutumnWitch]

As long as he/she is not some mindless, stooge that is completely irrational, sadistic and psychotic I will be ok with almost anything. The best would be a deeper, idealistic driven person that actually believes they are doing the best thing for everyone. Meredith was just too over the top. If they had dialled her down a bit and made her motivations seem more heartfelt and altruistic instead of the rabid, power hungry "angry women" they presented I would bet a lot more people would have sided with the Templars.

[Lotion Soronarr]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Debris field = the flying chunks of Chantry that may have certanly caused damage and death throughout the city.

Fixed.

Anders himself admits he did kill innocents. 

[Lotion Soronarr]

I find it funny rabbid pro-magers like Lob, all trot the: "Anders was justified. Death of hunderds of innocents by Anders and by the war is justified for the goal of freeing the mages!"

At the same time they go "Circle are unjustified. Deaths/imprisoment of a few mages are not justified in a goal to save thousands from rampant magic!"

The irony is the that it's the EXACT SAME THING..only different actors.
Kill/imprison the few to safeguard the many/the cause.

Mages: "It's better than a thousand people die, than a single mage suffers"
Templars: "It's better than a single mage suffers, than a thousand die."

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
They don't.
Why do you people always equate strictness/adherence to duty with hate?

You don't have to hate someone to shoot him you know.

Certainly not.
But to hate him makes it alot easier.
Besides, hate and religion usualy go hand in hand.

So do love and religion.

If you have a point, I don't see it.

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
They don't.
Why do you people always equate strictness/adherence to duty with hate?

You don't have to hate someone to shoot him you know.

Certainly not.
But to hate him makes it alot easier.
Besides, hate and religion usualy go hand in hand.

So do love and religion.

If you have a point, I don't see it.

Indeed.
Religion is usually more about emotions than about logic.
And then when said religion tries to force it's rules on everyone else, you get self-rightous fanatics that do just about anything to reach said religion's "haven".

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I find it funny rabbid pro-magers like Lob, all trot the: "Anders was justified. Death of hunderds of innocents by Anders and by the war is justified for the goal of freeing the mages!"

At the same time they go "Circle are unjustified. Deaths/imprisoment of a few mages are not justified in a goal to save thousands from rampant magic!"

The irony is the that it's the EXACT SAME THING..only different actors.
Kill/imprison the few to safeguard the many/the cause.

Mages: "It's better than a thousand people die, than a single mage suffers"
Templars: "It's better than a single mage suffers, than a thousand die."

I don't think that Anders was justified by any means, and I killed him most of the times despite being "pro-mage".

That said, your supposed quote is just you putting words in other people's mouth.
(Mages: "It's better than a thousand people die, than a single mage suffers"
Templars: "It's better than a single mage suffers, than a thousand die.")

Mages didn't try to kill every templar in the vicinity, usually it's the templars who come full of rightous anger to kill every mage that is not willing to follow their dogma.

Enough mages were willing to go and live in far away places, or to accept a number of other compromises.
As in real life, it's the religious fanatics who are not willing to hear anything but their own voice.

[LobselVith8]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I find it funny rabbid pro-magers like Lob, all trot the: "Anders was justified. Death of hunderds of innocents by Anders and by the war is justified for the goal of freeing the mages!"

At the same time they go "Circle are unjustified. Deaths/imprisoment of a few mages are not justified in a goal to save thousands from rampant magic!"

No, people like me condemn enslaving mages in the name of religion and think the Chantry controlled Circles are deplorable. And attacking a politico-military building is why people debate Anders' actions.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The irony is the that it's the EXACT SAME THING..only different actors.
Kill/imprison the few to safeguard the many/the cause.

Mages: "It's better than a thousand people die, than a single mage suffers"
Templars: "It's better than a single mage suffers, than a thousand die."

Supporting mage autonomy from the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order isn't the same as supporting the Chantry controlled Circles. 

Modifié par LobselVith8, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:37 .

[Trolldrool]

I want the inevitable templar antagonist to start this ranting uninteresting monologue that he doesn't finish because he's crushed under the foot of a dragon that then becomes the final boss. Or some big scary demon that doesn't care, or even notice, that it's stepped on someone.

That or have him actually be an interesting character beyond "Grr! Grr! Subjugate mages! Magic bad! Grr!"

[Han Shot First]

Ausstig wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Assuming for a moment that there is a Templar big bad, I'd guess I'd want him or her to look as less comic booky as possible.

Obviously Dragon Age is going to have its own unique art style rather than just a copy-paste from history, but these would be good starting points:

ONLY THE THIRD ONE IS A TEMPLAR!!

The First one is a Tutonic Knight (who founded Prussia aka modern Germany) and the second is a hospitalia ( who used to run Malta, also they helped with medical stuff, thus why their name looks like hospital. 

Care on my way ward son. 

I'm aware of that.

In fact I found all three images for googling 'Teutonic Knight,' 'Knight Hospitaller' and 'Templar Knight.' The Templars in the game don't necessarily have to look like Knights from the Order of the Temple. Any of the Crusading orders are a good start really for an artist. Or at least they are in my opinion.

[Vicious]

I detest the Red Lyrium plot device and everything about it. It's a horrible, horrible idea that ruined DA2 for me (among other things) and by htel ooks of it is ruining DA:I.

next to no info except they are a side antagonist = ruining the game cmon you're better than that.

[Medhia Nox]

@TheRedVipress: Be fair - humans and hate go hand in hand. Dig deeper than the scapegoat you've been fed.

[Eternal Phoenix]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

Knight-Commander Meredith didn't give Cullen his Captain status just because hes cute and handsome, and that she wanted to jump his bones. They have a similar hate trait against mages. I can see Cullen going crazy after Kirkwall, and then started worshipping and talking to the Red Lyirum Meredith statue. Perhaps he started chipping away pieces and started eating or sniffing it thus creating the Red templars.

They don't.
Why do you people always equate strictness/adherence to duty with hate?

You don't have to hate someone to shoot him you know.

Certainly not.
But to hate him makes it alot easier.
Besides, hate and religion usualy go hand in hand.

Mr.Dawkins would like a word with you.



If anyone should be an antagonist it needs to be a mage who is not only a Blood Mage but an atheist too just so I can rejoice in the delicious tears of BSN after release.

Please make it happen Bioware.

I mean these desperate emotional threads I keep seeing about "exposing The Maker to be false!" and "I want to destroy The Chantry" it's like these people would get sexually excited from all this stuff if it happened to be put into the game.

Just keep creepy atheism out of my game. Assassin's Creed shoved enough of it down my throat.

The terrible logic I'm seeing here is this:

"I want to kill Cullen because he's religious."

We all know that's the real reason. Considering the events of Origins and DA2, Cullen has every right to be angry with mages who quite possibly could have drove him slightly crazy with paranoia. He doesn't deserve to die for that.

It's no suprise most haters of Cullen and the templars are anti-religious and are simply projecting their own world-view into the game.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 24 septembre 2013 - 06:16 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

MasterScribe wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Just keep atheism out of my game.

Okay.

But the DA series is at least agnostic, since it never confirms the existence or true nature of the beings that people worship in-universe.

I'm aware of that and fine with that. That's how it should be.