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[Laughing_Man]

Usually I really hate the "Black-Magic" \\ "Dark-Magic" \\ "Bad-Powers" tropes.

I mean, an atomic bomb can be used in theory to blow an asteroid that is about to wipe out our planet.
The tool is not really evil, it's more what you do with it that matters.

That said, I can't argue that it's okay to chant "Cthulhu fhtagn"...
[/i]...Or to kill slaves to use their blood in rituals.

My question is this: Let's say an experienced mage who knows about the fade and the temptations of demons uses blood magic for good, like killing darkspawn, or demons, or insane red templars, whatever, does this act in itself makes him a bad-guy?

Yes, I know what the chantry and the templars say, but on the other hand, they will probably say anything to keep the mages as their loyal pets.

Take Avernus for example: He isn't a good guy, not by a long shot.
But in some very dark and twisted way, he is still an examplary Gray-Warden, he did *whatever it takes* to really undestand the taint and find new ways to fight it. (I have no doubt that this was how Gray-Wardens were originally created.)

So, he is a blood-mage, AND an abomination.
According to everything the chantry dogma tells us, he should be a drooling homicidel maniac who kills everything that crosses his path.
Instead, he is still comitted to his original goals.

So, what do you think?
Can a mage use blood-magic, or worse, become an abomination and keep his mind intact?

[In Exile]

It's awesome, and everyone should try it at least once in college.

Seriously, though, "Blood Magic" isn't a singular thing. There's a big difference between mind control and using blood - obtained through consent - to power a spell. And blood magic can be used for a lot of different things.

Is what Merrill did to cleanse a shard of the taint the same thing as what Idunna did to drag templars to a place where a demon would be thrown inside them? Even if you think both are "wrong", they're on opposite ends of the scale,

[Nefla]

I find it bad. It's taught by demons, it dominates the minds of others, it is purely destructive. If you actually want to protect people with magic, there are much better schools.

[Xilizhra]

Awesome, we need more of it. It's not evil in and of itself by any means.

[Aaleel]

Depends on which games portrayal you use.  In DA:O Jowan used it, mages in the broken circle quest used it,and you were told Grey Wardens usedit. All of which kept their minds intact.

In DA:2 on the other hand. Mages went crazy and attacked allies, tried to kill their family members, killed their wifes or otherwise went out their minds.

I say its just a tool.

Modifié par Aaleel, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:15 .

[AutumnWitch]

Both Merrill and Hawke (if played as a mage) used blood magic and did not go mad or evil. Like everything else, moderation is the key.

[Ieolus]

Avernus was an abomination? I don't recall that detail.

[Medhia Nox]

Inherently corrupting - the purview of those who cannot do real magic.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:23 .

[In Exile]

Ieolus wrote...

Avernus was an abomination? I don't recall that detail.

Yeah, I just re-read the OP. No, we have no evidence at all Avernus is an abomination. 

[Ozzy]

Can it look a little less painful to use though? Less impaling/slicing plz.

[Laughing_Man]

In Exile wrote...

Ieolus wrote...

Avernus was an abomination? I don't recall that detail.

Yeah, I just re-read the OP. No, we have no evidence at all Avernus is an abomination. 

You guys are probably right.
I can't remember why I assumed he is an abomination, probably because he shouldn't be still alive after so long,
but wiki is not saying anything about this.

Edit: I vaguely remember him saying something about it, surviving because of a demon \\ spirit.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:25 .

[In Exile]

TheRedVipress wrote...

You guys are probably right.
I can't remember why I assumed he is an abomination, probably because he shouldn't be still alive after so long,
but wiki is not saying anything about this.

Edit: I vaguely remember him saying something about it, surviving because of a demon spirit.

He lived because of blood magic, he says, but suggest he is close to dying of old age. I believe he said that he used the taint to scare away demons, but that's it. 

[Boycott Bioware]

It is all about source of power, some use mana, some use blood, some use lyrium... i think Mages should find a new source of power, less pollution, cheap and stable...maybe use solar power instead?

Modifié par Qistina, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:39 .

[Laughing_Man]

Nefla wrote...

I find it bad. It's taught by demons, it dominates the minds of others, it is purely destructive. If you actually want to protect people with magic, there are much better schools.

You ignore the fact that to dominate the minds of others is a *choice*, and at least some kinds of mind attacks are possible through regular magic as well, which may mean that it's possible to use regular magic to dominate or influence minds as well.

Besides, what is a greater sacrifice than a man spilling his own blood to protect others?

[Taleroth]

Mostly it's just using blood to supplement or replace lyrium and mana. With some blood manipulation as well.

Until DA2 came along and tried saying that it's required for demon summoning. Where'd that come from?

[Br3admax]

Taleroth wrote...

Mostly it's just using blood to supplement or replace lyrium and mana. With some blood manipulation as well.

Until DA2 came along and tried saying that it's required for demon summoning. Where'd that come from?

The fact that there is no other way to summon a demon even in DA:O kind of gave it away. 

[Medhia Nox]

@Qistina: Actually - mages who use lyrium have a level of aptitude.

Those who cannot do - turn to blood magic (Jowan).

Blood magic is for the inferior.

[In Exile]

Taleroth wrote...

Mostly it's just using blood to supplement or replace lyrium and mana. With some blood manipulation as well.

Until DA2 came along and tried saying that it's required for demon summoning. Where'd that come from?

It came from DA:O and Warden's Keep.

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Qistina: Actually - mages who use lyrium have a level of aptitude.

Those who cannot do - turn to blood magic (Jowan).

Blood magic is for the inferior.

Then imagine what a competent mage can achive with a tool that makes even an inferior mage effective.

[Boycott Bioware]

Medhia Nox wrote..
@Qistina: Actually - mages who use lyrium have a level of aptitude.

Those who cannot do - turn to blood magic (Jowan).

Blood magic is for the inferior.

Lyrium is not cheap, not stable, it's mineral and it will depleted...Mages should find an alternative power source

Solar energy, kinetic energy, wind power, ethanol, uranium, plutonium.....

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Burn all the blood mages at the stake, I say.

Rah.

[Taleroth]

In Exile wrote...

It came from DA:O and Warden's Keep.

No it didn't. Avernus didn't have access to lyrium and had to summon a plurality of demons. All large spells require supplemental sources of magic or else it can fatigue or kill the caster. That doesn't mean it's the only way.

You can summon spirits with just mana. You can breach the fade with less lyrium than is required of blood. There's nothing otherwise indicating that blood is special.

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:46 .

[Medhia Nox]

@TheRedVipress: Sorry, I don't believe in self-mutilation.

@Qistina: I never "needed" a single mana potion in DA:O.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

It's a tool nothing more.

Everything is and can be harmful in excess.

[Laughing_Man]

Qistina wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote..
@Qistina: Actually - mages who use lyrium have a level of aptitude.

Those who cannot do - turn to blood magic (Jowan).

Blood magic is for the inferior.

Lyrium is not cheap, not stable, it's mineral and it will depleted...Mages should find an alternative power source

Solar energy, kinetic energy, wind power, ethanol, uranium, plutonium.....

"Fission powered fireball spell incoming! Activate anti-matter powered wards!"