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[Azaron Nightblade]

eluvianix wrote...

Speaking of, I heard on Twitter that he is on Chapter 33 out of 45 on Skin Game. He said that he would be done in 2 weeks with the whole thing.

Good news indeed! 

[Laughing_Man]

eluvianix wrote...

Speaking of, I heard on Twitter that he is on Chapter 33 out of 45 on Skin Game. He said that he would be done in 2 weeks with the whole thing.

Now THAT was worth making a thread for... 

[Medhia Nox]

@TheRepVipress: There is no evidence that mages without blood magic cannot adeptly fight a mage.

There are many forms of combat that would make fighting easier - but some prove so horrific that only the most despotic would use them. So "but it makes fighting a templar easier" is not a valid retort.

Even so - I'm not sure why self-mutilation is so readily accepted on the BSN.

[Laughing_Man]

About enchantment: It seems that enchanting weapons and armor, while somewhat rare, is not impossible, far from it. You have both the creepy-guys from the circle and the dwarves doing it.

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: Or it's proponents must accept that it is not "just a tool" as badly as they want it to be.

If it is only presented in a bad light - maybe that is because it is only a bad thing. Not wanting that to be the answer has no real relevancy.

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@TheRepVipress: There is no evidence that mages without blood magic cannot adeptly fight a mage.

There are many forms of combat that would make fighting easier - but some prove so horrific that only the most despotic would use them. So "but it makes fighting a templar easier" is not a valid retort.

Even so - I'm not sure why self-mutilation is so readily accepted on the BSN.

All I know is that the lore says that templars can counter the main weapon a mage has.
Can they do it all the time? Every one of them? To every mage? I don't know.
I can speculate about willpower and such, but that's only speculation.

Horrific: That's a matter of perspective.
Fighting "honorably" not so long ago consisted of lines of soldiers standing in neat rows and shooting each other...

Self mutilation is not an issue if it's done with a clear purpose by someone with an healthy mind.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:41 .

[cjones91]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Or it's proponents must accept that it is not "just a tool" as badly as they want it to be.

If it is only presented in a bad light - maybe that is because it is only a bad thing. Not wanting that to be the answer has no real relevancy.

Blood Magic is a tool and tools are'n good or evil just the people who use them.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Or it's proponents must accept that it is not "just a tool" as badly as they want it to be.

If it is only presented in a bad light - maybe that is because it is only a bad thing. Not wanting that to be the answer has no real relevancy.

In the end, its a matter of your own personal perspective. Good and evil are subjective terms. I view blood magic in a pragmatic light, my character would do no demon summoning, veil tearing, or mind control. Ok, maybe I would have a little fun with the last one. But regardless, I would like to see the capabilties of blood magic expanded. Since blood magic can affect the body so powerfully, why can we not see it being used to stop a person's wound from bleeding? Or why can can we not see it heal? Just food for thought.

Modifié par eluvianix, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:36 .

[Medhia Nox]

@TheRedVipress: A shield can counter the main weapon a warrior has.

Vlad Tepes however overcame this... by putting to stake 20,000 Turkish prisoners in Tirgivoste - he turned back Mohammed II who was disgusted by the act.

But hey, they were prisoners and this is war right?

Equally fascinating is what people will do on the BSN - even for fictional grievances.

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Or it's proponents must accept that it is not "just a tool" as badly as they want it to be.

If it is only presented in a bad light - maybe that is because it is only a bad thing. Not wanting that to be the answer has no real relevancy.

Malcolm Hawke was a loving father, an all around good-guy, and "The best of us" according to Sir Carver the templar,
and if I'm no wrong, he used blood magic to contain that darkspawn for the wardens. (I didn't play the DLC. Not sure about details.)

My point is, risk managment that should be handled by non-religious non-fanatic law-enforcment tecnocrats aside,
blood-magic *is* just a tool, and if used by a good person for a defined purpose, that person is very likely to stay good.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:49 .

[Azaron Nightblade]

TheRedVipress wrote...

All I know is that the lore says that templars can counter the main weapon a mage has.
Can they do it all the time? Every one of them? To every mage? I don't know.
I can speculate about willpower and such, but that's only speculation.

Sounds about right, and I think it requires quite a bit of effort on the Templar's part too.
I believe that some mages still managed to cast spells during the battle in Asunder, they were weakened because of the Templar's "suppression", but they still managed it.
My guess would be that if a novice/weak Templar tried cancel out a Tevinter Magister's magic the Magister would laugh in his face and fry him on the spot (without blood magic).

Modifié par Azaron Nightblade, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:45 .

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@TheRedVipress: A shield can counter the main weapon a warrior has.

Vlad Tepes however overcame this... by putting to stake 20,000 Turkish prisoners in Tirgivoste - he turned back Mohammed II who was disgusted by the act.

But hey, they were prisoners and this is war right?

Equally fascinating is what people will do on the BSN - even for fictional grievances.

Again, you are ignoring my point.
I didn't claim that mass murder was an okay tactic.
I claimed that a mage cutting his hand to save himself from an over-zealous templar, did nothing wrong.

[Laughing_Man]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Sounds about right, and I think it requires quite a bit of effort on the Templar's part too.
I believe that some mages still managed to cast spells during the battle in Asunder, they were weakened because of the Templar's "suppression", but they still managed it.
My guess would be that if a novice Templar tried cancel out a Tevinter Magister's magic the Magister would laugh in his face and fry him on the spot (without blood magic).

Not every mage can boast such abilities, and if he lacks them, he shouldn't just "fight-honorably" and die...
What would that even mean? Trying to punch an armored knight?...

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:48 .

[windsea]

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Blood magic is not good or evil but not many could resist that side (mind control and so on) of it.

[Plaintiff]

Medhia Nox wrote...
Even so - I'm not sure why self-mutilation is so readily accepted on the BSN.

Because a cut on my hand can be treated later. Decapitation not so much.

Or because a little pain now is worth evading gangrape, or life imprisonment, or any of the other awful **** that comes with being a mage.

[Medhia Nox]

@TheRedVipress: And what about two templars? What if cutting your hand isn't enough?

Eventually.. cutting yourself won't do the trick. BUT... there is another way to get more of the precious blood magic... hmmm..

Edit:  And now we've come to the "Bad Experiences Justifies Everything" argument(not from you RedVipress).  So I'll exit.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:52 .

[addiction21]

If you like to play with fire do it. Just don't cry to me when you burn yourself or anyone you love.

[animedreamer]

 My opinion is that Blood Magic like any magic can be used for good or evil, and it's the character of the individual mage that should be evaluated when it comes to whether or not their use of blood magic is right or wrong, not Chantry Law, which would have us believe all magic is evil and a curse, despite its uses as a way of saving lives, cutting down on casualties, and every day uses as a substitute for medicial professionals.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@TheRedVipress: And what about two templars? What if cutting your hand isn't enough?

Eventually.. cutting yourself won't do the trick. BUT... there is another way to get more of the precious blood magic... hmmm..

Believe it or not, blood magic isn't the only type of magic that a blood mage can perform. I could just firestorm the templars, or better yet electrocute them to death.

[Laughing_Man]

windsea wrote...

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Maybe. Or it could be just a fancy quote. I wouldn't know, I never had absolute power.

[Hellion Rex]

TheRedVipress wrote...

windsea wrote...

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Maybe. Or it could be just a fancy quote. I wouldn't know, I never had absolute power.

And what exactly defines absolute power, anyways?

[Plaintiff]

Medhia Nox wrote...
Edit:  And now we've come to the "Bad Experiences Justifies Everything" argument(not from you RedVipress).  So I'll exit.

Medhia Nox: condemning people who defend themselves since 2009.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@TheRedVipress: And what about two templars? What if cutting your hand isn't enough?

Eventually.. cutting yourself won't do the trick. BUT... there is another way to get more of the precious blood magic... hmmm..

Edit:  And now we've come to the "Bad Experiences Justifies Everything" argument(not from you RedVipress).  So I'll exit.

Bye bye!

[Laughing_Man]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@TheRedVipress: And what about two templars? What if cutting your hand isn't enough?

Eventually.. cutting yourself won't do the trick. BUT... there is another way to get more of the precious blood magic... hmmm..

Edit:  And now we've come to the "Bad Experiences Justifies Everything" argument(not from you RedVipress).  So I'll exit.

Indeed, that would be the point of no return. Where the good guy is seperated from the bad guy.
The good guy will fight and give everything he has, he might try to drain one of those who tried to kill him, but that's it.