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[Steelcan]

I don't see anything inherently wrong with blood magic. Its only a means.

However it should be regulated and those who abuse it should be hunted down.

[Hellion Rex]

TheRedVipress wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Speaking of, I heard on Twitter that he is on Chapter 33 out of 45 on Skin Game. He said that he would be done in 2 weeks with the whole thing.

Now THAT was worth making a thread for... 

I have been following that Twitter religiously.:innocent:

Modifié par eluvianix, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:57 .

[wolfhowwl]

There is something very wrong with blood magic and the only thing its practitioners will be getting from me is the Sword of Mercy through the heart. It is an act of kindness actually...

after all blood magic made Tahrone think this was a good look, death would be sweet release.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 27 septembre 2013 - 03:15 .

[Laughing_Man]

wolfhowwl wrote...

There is something very wrong with blood magic and the only thing its practitioners will be getting from me is the Sword of Mercy through the heart. It is an act of kindness actually...

after all blood magic made Tahrone think this was a good look, death would be sweet release.

*facepalm*

You haven't seen what she looked like before she used blood-magic cosmetics...
Thank the maker for blood-magic...

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 27 septembre 2013 - 03:19 .

[Treacherous J Slither]

TheRedVipress wrote...

wolfhowwl wrote...

There is something very wrong with blood magic and the only thing its practitioners will be getting from me is the Sword of Mercy through the heart. It is an act of kindness actually...

after all blood magic made Tahrone think this was a good look, death would be sweet release.

*facepalm*

You haven't seen what she looked like before she used blood-magic cosmetics...
Thank the maker for blood-magic...

I actually liked Tarohne. I mean from a villain standpoint. Pretty good plan for an evil spellslinger. It was working pretty well too. Had those Templars crapping their pants lol.

Blood magic is awesome to me. It's sooo stupid that it's not studied extensively seeing as how it's so powerful. But then again, if everyone was doing it, my evil blood mage wouldn't have the upper hand so often >:]

[movieguyabw]

Blood magic, to me, isn't anything bad. It's messy, and it seems strange to have a type of magic that allows you to cut your throat open in order to do damage to your enemies. But I try to roleplay that none of my characters have any real problems with it, and I tend to have at least one bloodmage on my team anyway.

Then again, I'm probably one of the few people who feels that the demons of the DA universe are fairly sympathetic characters. As far as I'm aware of the lore, they were originally mages who entered the golden city and became corrupted, and now only desire to return to the world of the living. At least, that was always the argument the Desire demons made. So I never had a real problem with them. Sure, the one in Redcliffe wanted to return so she could terrorize the world - but IIRC every other Desire demon in DAO only said they wanted to return and try to live a normal life, and attaching themselves to the living (while simultaneously granting their desires) was the only way to do this.

So yeah, tldr: the chantry and templars are full of it. Rights for blood mages and demons now!

[MICcheck1990]

It's a tool like any other, use it or don't. I like it every mage I've made has used it and is comfortable with it.

[Fast Jimmy]

Then again, I'm probably one of the few people who feels that the demons of the DA universe are fairly sympathetic characters. As far as I'm aware of the lore, they were originally mages who entered the golden city and became corrupted, and now only desire to return to the world of the living. At least, that was always the argument the Desire demons made.

Hmmmm. No, this is not accurate.

All spirits are immortal beings who have always existed in the Fade. They draw power over the Fade through human emotions. The strongest human emotions, like Desire and Pride, result in spirits who can feed off of (and perpetuate) these emotions extremely powerful in the Fade. They are NOT former humans or Mages.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 27 septembre 2013 - 04:17 .

[Azaron Nightblade]

movieguyabw wrote...

Then again, I'm probably one of the few people who feels that the demons of the DA universe are fairly sympathetic characters. As far as I'm aware of the lore, they were originally mages who entered the golden city and became corrupted, and now only desire to return to the world of the living. At least, that was always the argument the Desire demons made. So I never had a real problem with them. Sure, the one in Redcliffe wanted to return so she could terrorize the world - but IIRC every other Desire demon in DAO only said they wanted to return and try to live a normal life, and attaching themselves to the living (while simultaneously granting their desires) was the only way to do this.

You might want to go through some of the lore again, unless this is your take on it (which is cool then).
The original Tevinter Magisters that corrupted the Golden City have been cast out long ago, and went on to become the first Darkspawn according to Chantry doctrine.
Spirits and Demons (who are spirits that identify with the darker natures of mankind) are the first children of the Maker - there are no dead people, or actual people in the Fade (except dreamers and mages that are visiting), every inhabitant is a spirit.
They are incapable of true emotions, so they want to experience them through mortal hosts - AKA take your body for a joyride until it's burned out and they hop into a new one.

Modifié par Azaron Nightblade, 27 septembre 2013 - 04:23 .

[movieguyabw]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

movieguyabw wrote...

Then again, I'm probably one of the few people who feels that the demons of the DA universe are fairly sympathetic characters. As far as I'm aware of the lore, they were originally mages who entered the golden city and became corrupted, and now only desire to return to the world of the living. At least, that was always the argument the Desire demons made. So I never had a real problem with them. Sure, the one in Redcliffe wanted to return so she could terrorize the world - but IIRC every other Desire demon in DAO only said they wanted to return and try to live a normal life, and attaching themselves to the living (while simultaneously granting their desires) was the only way to do this.

You might want to go through some of the lore again, unless this is your take on it (which is cool then).
The original Tevinter Magisters that corrupted the Golden City have been cast out long ago, and went on to become the first Darkspawn according to Chantry doctrine.
Spirits and Demons (who are spirits that identify with the darker natures of mankind) are the first children of the Maker - there are no dead people, or actual people in the Fade (except dreamers and mages that are visiting), every inhabitant is a spirit.
They are incapable of true emotions, so they want to experience them through mortal hosts - AKA take your body for a joyride until it's burned out and they hop into a new one.

Ah, I've got no idea why I thought that was the case then  lol   I've always wondered why there was so much hatred for them from the community.

Still don't think it's going to change my opinion of them.  Probably going to be making deals with them left and right, if given the chance, like I did in the first game. 

[Br3admax]

Corrupted the Golden City, bah. It was always black. Always tainted.

Anyway, apparently, when you die, you actually do go through the Fade, if for a time.

[Beerfish]

Blood magic crosses the line because it involves mind control and the temptation to use other peoples blood (See the Tevinters). Mages suggesting justifications for such use simply confirm the hard liner chantry and templars and make it bad for everyone, this is especially the case when we have seen clear evidence of 1st enchanters dabbling in it if not more. No wonder the Templars don't trust mages further than they can throw them.

Also the thought that mages are 'driven' to using blood magic because of their horrible plight in the circles is rubbish of the highest order.

[Hellion Rex]

Beerfish wrote...

Blood magic crosses the line because it involves mind control and the temptation to use other peoples blood (See the Tevinters). Mages suggesting justifications for such use simply confirm the hard liner chantry and templars and make it bad for everyone, this is especially the case when we have seen clear evidence of 1st enchanters dabbling in it if not more. No wonder the Templars don't trust mages further than they can throw them.

Also the thought that mages are 'driven' to using blood magic because of their horrible plight in the circles is rubbish of the highest order.

Which First Enchanters? Beyond Orsino that is....
And even then, he only resorted to blood magic when Meredith called for an Annulment.

[Azaron Nightblade]

eluvianix wrote...

Which First Enchanters? Beyond Orsino that is....
And even then, he only resorted to blood magic when Meredith called for an Annulment.

Wasn't he also connected to the mage that turned Leandra into the bride of Frankenstein, though?
I remember a letter signed with "O".
I always thought there was a good chance that Orsino had already been practicing blood magic in secret - hence so many of the mages under his guidance also doing it.

[Hellion Rex]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Which First Enchanters? Beyond Orsino that is....
And even then, he only resorted to blood magic when Meredith called for an Annulment.

Wasn't he also connected to the mage that turned Leandra into the bride of Frankenstein, though?
I remember a letter signed with "O".
I always thought there was a good chance that Orsino had already been practicing blood magic in secret - hence so many of the mages under his guidance also doing it.

I am not disagreeing, I was just referring to the only time we actually saw him perform blood magic. 

[Azaron Nightblade]

eluvianix wrote...

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Which First Enchanters? Beyond Orsino that is....
And even then, he only resorted to blood magic when Meredith called for an Annulment.

Wasn't he also connected to the mage that turned Leandra into the bride of Frankenstein, though?
I remember a letter signed with "O".
I always thought there was a good chance that Orsino had already been practicing blood magic in secret - hence so many of the mages under his guidance also doing it.

I am not disagreeing, I was just referring to the only time we actually saw him perform blood magic. 

True, and yes, as far as I know he is the only First Enchanter that we've seen so far that was corrupt.
Even with the ones in the Asunder novel I can't recall any others.

[Hellion Rex]

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Which First Enchanters? Beyond Orsino that is....
And even then, he only resorted to blood magic when Meredith called for an Annulment.

Wasn't he also connected to the mage that turned Leandra into the bride of Frankenstein, though?
I remember a letter signed with "O".
I always thought there was a good chance that Orsino had already been practicing blood magic in secret - hence so many of the mages under his guidance also doing it.

I am not disagreeing, I was just referring to the only time we actually saw him perform blood magic. 

True, and yes, as far as I know he is the only First Enchanter that we've seen so far that was corrupt.
Even with the ones in the Asunder novel I can't recall any others.

At the end when Lambert confronted the mages, I think it is reasonable to say that more than a few of the mages, including senior and first enchanters, turned into abominations. It was utter chaos in that hall. I wouldn't be surprised if the veil actually tore a little bit in the White Spire that day.

[Beerfish]

eluvianix wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Blood magic crosses the line because it involves mind control and the temptation to use other peoples blood (See the Tevinters). Mages suggesting justifications for such use simply confirm the hard liner chantry and templars and make it bad for everyone, this is especially the case when we have seen clear evidence of 1st enchanters dabbling in it if not more. No wonder the Templars don't trust mages further than they can throw them.

Also the thought that mages are 'driven' to using blood magic because of their horrible plight in the circles is rubbish of the highest order.

Which First Enchanters? Beyond Orsino that is....
And even then, he only resorted to blood magic when Meredith called for an Annulment.

Irvine, essentially tried to set a trap for whats his face and had a tome or something about blood magic in his chambers if I recall.

[Br3admax]

He removed the books from the library. Everyone could have read them years and years before the Warden's birth.

[Hellion Rex]

Br3ad wrote...

He removed the books from the library. Everyone could have read them years and years before the Warden's birth.

Ah, I forgot about that. But beyond his scholarly knowledge of the subject, we have no actual evidence that he performed blood magic.

[JJDXB]

There isn't anything inherently wrong about it until you start considering the intentions behind it's use.  It's a tool and a means, just like all other forms of magic or weaponry.  The same is true of pistols, WMDs and cluster bombs, but the latter two are almost universally considered abhorrent to the point of worldwide legislation against their use.  A tool isn't evil, but it can be very, very dangerous.  The worldwide community have seen fit to legislate against WMDs because they believe no ends can justify their use.  Blood magic is like that.  Blood magic is so much more powerful than other forms of magic that nobody should be trusted with it.  I, as the player character, am no exception.  Just because you think you can control doesn't mean you can - and yes, I realise the character only does what I tell him, but if I were an NPC ingame, I wouldn't trust him entirely either if he was a bloodmage.

[Laughing_Man]

I think I can see alot of Hollywood influence in *some* arguments here.

A "super power" is okay as long as it *looks* "honorable", and as long as the the "super-hero"
is angsting Adam-Jensen style "I never asked for this...".

Not only is it ok, but you can see some super-heroes as paragons of virtue (or stupidity...), at least in some people's eyes.

However, when it comes to powers that are usualy, arbitrarily, are connected to evil-dudes, and also have the "evil look" about them, no one is willing to extend the same credit that is usually extended to your average "super-hero"...

It's the same old, "Hero-Knight" vs. "Evil-Witch", which is born in sin, both of an half-assed justification for old religious crimes of "witch" burnings, and of a chauvinistic view about what a hero should look like..

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 27 septembre 2013 - 07:44 .

[Treacherous J Slither]

JBDXB wrote...

There isn't anything inherently wrong about it until you start considering the intentions behind it's use.  It's a tool and a means, just like all other forms of magic or weaponry.  The same is true of pistols, WMDs and cluster bombs, but the latter two are almost universally considered abhorrent to the point of worldwide legislation against their use.  A tool isn't evil, but it can be very, very dangerous.  The worldwide community have seen fit to legislate against WMDs because they believe no ends can justify their use.  Blood magic is like that.  Blood magic is so much more powerful than other forms of magic that nobody should be trusted with it.  I, as the player character, am no exception.  Just because you think you can control doesn't mean you can - and yes, I realise the character only does what I tell him, but if I were an NPC ingame, I wouldn't trust him entirely either if he was a bloodmage.

I imagine you wouldn't trust anyone with more power than you. I'm the same way. Most people are. Whether it's a bloodmage, an elite warrior, or a person of political power makes no difference. We fear what we cannot control. However that is no excuse for us to impose injustices on each other.
When people are being born every day all over the world with the potential to destroy it, the answer isn't to lock them up or antagonize them in any way. The answer is to educate them in the proper use of their power and show them how they can use it to benefit society.

Modifié par JSlither, 30 septembre 2013 - 03:56 .

[dragonflight288]

eluvianix wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

He removed the books from the library. Everyone could have read them years and years before the Warden's birth.

Ah, I forgot about that. But beyond his scholarly knowledge of the subject, we have no actual evidence that he performed blood magic.

He's never seen using it, he's never suspected of it, and no one talks of it in-game. The only time it's ever mentioned is when Cullen is freaking out because he's been tortured by blood mages for so long that he sees blood mages in all of them.

[Senya]

I do not think Irving is a blood mage. He most definitely isn't.

I personally think blood magic is forbidden for a reason. There has been overkill, yes, but it is a magic that feeds off death, is used to summon demons, and weakens the Veil. How eviler could it get?