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[Ieolus]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Qistina: Actually - mages who use lyrium have a level of aptitude.

Those who cannot do - turn to blood magic (Jowan).

Blood magic is for the inferior.

My impression was that blood was just an alternative form of powering magic, banned by the Chantry because of superstition and the whole 'created darkspawn' myth.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Blood magic is like any other form of magic. It's a tool, a means to achieving an end.

I don't believe in power being something that corrupts just because it exist. I think it depends on the person, and if said person would already be likely to abuse power if given it, magic or not.

[Medhia Nox]

@Darth Brotarian: Presumably "regular" magic doesn't scale the more lyrium you consume.

And even if it did... you do think eating magical rock is morally equal to killing hundreds of people to do your magic? Really?

[Gwydden]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Darth Brotarian: Presumably "regular" magic doesn't scale the more lyrium you consume.

And even if it did... you do think eating magical rock is morally equal to killing hundreds of people to do your magic? Really?

Technically, you don't have to kill people to use blood magic. You can just cut yourself. I do it all the time, and no one has so far called it evil.

Modifié par Gwydden, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:58 .

[Hellion Rex]

I like the ability when it is not used for selfish gain. Like the Merrill example. And I feel that if more mages were willing to study it, we could perhaps learn to deal with the corruption that can occur as a result.

Modifié par eluvianix, 23 septembre 2013 - 03:58 .

[sandalisthemaker]

In Exile wrote...

It's awesome, and everyone should try it at least once in college.

Seriously, though, "Blood Magic" isn't a singular thing. There's a big difference between mind control and using blood - obtained through consent - to power a spell. And blood magic can be used for a lot of different things.

Is what Merrill did to cleanse a shard of the taint the same thing as what Idunna did to drag templars to a place where a demon would be thrown inside them? Even if you think both are "wrong", they're on opposite ends of the scale,

The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Darth Brotarian: Presumably "regular" magic doesn't scale the more lyrium you consume.

And even if it did... you do think eating magical rock is morally equal to killing hundreds of people to do your magic? Really?

You're bringing outside elements into the mix now. Making the assumption that blood magic requires a person to murder hundreds of people, and not that people simply murder hundreds of people in order to get stronger.

I'm sure eating magical rocks by itself isn't evil, but what if you enslave villages with threats of firery death and reality warping torment to force them to mine your precious rocks to further increase your power. Additionally, the spirit tree has an ability called death syphon, which draws power from killing people and drawing the mana from their bodies, plenty of incentive to murder indiscriminatly for the right kind of amoral person. Spells like crushing prision and walking bomb are both plently evil in their mechanics, and can be done by any mage.

It's all about how a person is, not what powers they use. You might as well blame a sword for every kill a bandit amakes and the dagger for every assassin's actions.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 23 septembre 2013 - 04:14 .

[Major Crackhead]

[In Exile]

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

Really? That seems strange... how does Tevinter pull off existing?

[sandalisthemaker]

In Exile wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

Really? That seems strange... how does Tevinter pull off existing?

It's probably a rare occurrance, but still, bloodmages are taking a gamble every time they cast from blood.

[Laughing_Man]

In Exile wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

Really? That seems strange... how does Tevinter pull off existing?

Because it's probably not very accurate. I can't think of any other explanation.
Anyways, in game examples are always better and stronger than outside or head-canon info IMO.

[Ieolus]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

World of Thedas is riddled with errors.  I wouldn't put much stock into it.

[Cainhurst Crow]

In Exile wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

Really? That seems strange... how does Tevinter pull off existing?

Casting any spell can probably cause a mage to become an abomination. Seeing as how it requires drawing energy from the fade, the realm where demons exist, in order to be achieved. Additionally though, the increased presence of death might cause the veil to weaken, making it more likely to occur. I never got the impression that blood magic was somehow an instant ticket to becoming possessed. If that was suppose to be evident, it didn't do a good job presenting that as such.

[sandalisthemaker]

Ieolus wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

World of Thedas is riddled with errors.  I wouldn't put much stock into it.

Doesn't seem like something they would just slip up on.
The book flat out states that bloodmages are even more vulnerable to demonic possession.

There is a whole "journal" entry on the same page of WoT written by a Tevinter magister talking about a fellow magister who became an abomination after spilling the blood of several of his slaves.

In game, Hawke tells Merrill, after the fade quest, that she needs to be careful because she's already more at risk with demons due to her blood magic.  Merrill even says "I know."

[Laughing_Man]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

In Exile wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

Really? That seems strange... how does Tevinter pull off existing?

Casting any spell can probably cause a mage to become an abomination. Seeing as how it requires drawing energy from the fade, the realm where demons exist, in order to be achieved. Additionally though, the increased presence of death might cause the veil to weaken, making it more likely to occur. I never got the impression that blood magic was somehow an instant ticket to becoming possessed. If that was suppose to be evident, it didn't do a good job presenting that as such.

I think you are mixing Wh40K lore with DA lore, they are similar, but not the same.
And in any case, even in W40K universe, it's not as simple as touch the warp and risk possesion. Not for an experienced psyker anyway.

[Ieolus]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Ieolus wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

World of Thedas is riddled with errors.  I wouldn't put much stock into it.

Doesn't seem like something they would just slip up on.
The book flat out states that bloodmages are even more vulnerable to demonic possession.

There is a whole "journal" entry on the same page of WoT written by a Tevinter magister talking about a fellow magister who became an abomination after spilling the blood of several of his slaves.

In game, Hawke tells Merrill, after the fade quest, that she needs to be careful because she's already more at risk with demons due to her blood magic.  Merrill even says "I know."

Most lore is written by imperfect authors who don't actually "know".  Maybe they were just passing on an old mages' tale?

[Laughing_Man]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Ieolus wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

World of Thedas is riddled with errors.  I wouldn't put much stock into it.

Doesn't seem like something they would just slip up on.
The book flat out states that bloodmages are even more vulnerable to demonic possession.

There is a whole "journal" entry on the same page of WoT written by a Tevinter magister talking about a fellow magister who became an abomination after spilling the blood of several of his slaves.

In game, Hawke tells Merrill, after the fade quest, that she needs to be careful because she's already more at risk with demons due to her blood magic.  Merrill even says "I know."

It's probably a question of willpower.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

It's too dangerous to be widely or freely-used, but should be studied by qualified individuals/organizations, IMO.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

In Exile wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

Really? That seems strange... how does Tevinter pull off existing?

Casting any spell can probably cause a mage to become an abomination. Seeing as how it requires drawing energy from the fade, the realm where demons exist, in order to be achieved. Additionally though, the increased presence of death might cause the veil to weaken, making it more likely to occur. I never got the impression that blood magic was somehow an instant ticket to becoming possessed. If that was suppose to be evident, it didn't do a good job presenting that as such.

So what Lotion said.

All magic is despicable.

[sandalisthemaker]

TheRedVipress wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Ieolus wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The problem is that both instances leave Merrill and Idunna vulnerable to demonic possession.  Merely casting blood magic spells can cause a mage to become an abomination as per World of Thedas.

World of Thedas is riddled with errors.  I wouldn't put much stock into it.

Doesn't seem like something they would just slip up on.
The book flat out states that bloodmages are even more vulnerable to demonic possession.

There is a whole "journal" entry on the same page of WoT written by a Tevinter magister talking about a fellow magister who became an abomination after spilling the blood of several of his slaves.

In game, Hawke tells Merrill, after the fade quest, that she needs to be careful because she's already more at risk with demons due to her blood magic.  Merrill even says "I know."

It's probably a question of willpower.

Not so sure about that.
The PC obviously has nothing to worry about if they choose to use blood magic, but I am of the opinion that there is something about it that corrupts the user. Whether immediately, or eventually may be what is due to willpower.

I don't have an issue with magic in general, but I make an exception for blood magic.

[Ieolus]

Was Avernus corrupted? He was never made an abomination and he used blood magic for centuries.

[Laughing_Man]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not so sure about that.
The PC obviously has nothing to worry about if they choose to use blood magic, but I am of the opinion that there is something about it that corrupts the user. Whether immediately, or eventually may be what is due to willpower.

I don't have an issue with magic in general, but I make an exception for blood magic.

If it's inevitable, what about Avernus or the Magisters?
Mages like them won't risk their mind getting taken over if they had no way to prevent it.

[Vicious]

Blood can do lots of stuff. But anything done in conjunction with demons is bad for you, people around you, and Thedas as a whole. They are the enemies of all who live.

In DA2 it's said this was the original point of the proto-templars (the Inquisition), to protect Mages against Demons and basically stand shoulder to shoulder with them. 

Modifié par Vicious, 23 septembre 2013 - 04:44 .

[sandalisthemaker]

TheRedVipress wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Not so sure about that.
The PC obviously has nothing to worry about if they choose to use blood magic, but I am of the opinion that there is something about it that corrupts the user. Whether immediately, or eventually may be what is due to willpower.

I don't have an issue with magic in general, but I make an exception for blood magic.

If it's inevitable, what about Avernus or the Magisters?
Mages like them won't risk their mind getting taken over if they had no way to prevent it.

Technically, Avernus is corrupt.
Not possessed, per say, but he is quite corrupt due to years of prolific blood magic use.

Many magisters are also depicted as corrupt, such as in the comics.
Full on possession is probably rare, but there is always the risk with blood magic.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 23 septembre 2013 - 04:53 .