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[sandalisthemaker]

eluvianix wrote...

Mind control and demon summoning?

yep.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:45 .

[Laughing_Man]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mind control and demon summoning?

yep.

I can see even those things being used for good. Examples:

Summon a few angry demons into the middle of a darkspawn horde.
Control the mind of a slaver to release his slaves. etc.

[sandalisthemaker]

TheRedVipress wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mind control and demon summoning?

yep.

I can see even those things being used for good. Examples:

Summon a few angry demons into the middle of a darkspawn horde.
Control the mind of a slaver to release his slaves. etc.

Never wise to deal with demons.
They could ignore or turn on the caster.

[Laughing_Man]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Mind control and demon summoning?

yep.

I can see even those things being used for good. Examples:

Summon a few angry demons into the middle of a darkspawn horde.
Control the mind of a slaver to release his slaves. etc.

Never wise to deal with demons.
They could ignore or turn on the caster.

Not "deal" with demons.
Drag them into a darkspawn horde, to get to the caster they will have to go through the horde first. That's the point.
The allure of the "real" world is too much for them to ignore a summoning.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 23 septembre 2013 - 06:08 .

[wolfhowwl]

You better have what it takes then.

Many mages thought they did, but it turned out that the pride they had in their abilities was misplaced.

Modifié par wolfhowwl, 23 septembre 2013 - 06:15 .

[Laughing_Man]

wolfhowwl wrote...

You better have what it takes then.

Many mages thought they did, but it turned out that their pride in their abilities was misplaced.

Not saying that it won't be dangerous.
Space exploration is dangerous too, dosen't mean that you shouldn't do it.

[PinkShoes]

I dont think its evil but i think its usually used for evil means.

[Magdalena11]

I think blood magic is going to be an awesome tool with a heavy price I look forward to seeing what happens with it.

[Boycott Bioware]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote..
@Qistina: Actually - mages who use lyrium have a level of aptitude.

Those who cannot do - turn to blood magic (Jowan).

Blood magic is for the inferior.

Lyrium is not cheap, not stable, it's mineral and it will depleted...Mages should find an alternative power source

Solar energy, kinetic energy, wind power, ethanol, uranium, plutonium.....

"Fission powered fireball spell incoming! Activate anti-matter powered wards!"

Qunari photon cannon will blast the whole Thedas into oblivion, as the Qun demanded

Unless..Tevinter come out with TESLA coils reflecting it and thus making a disruption of time and space creating a blackhole sucking all Qunaris in, then shut it down

Modifié par Qistina, 23 septembre 2013 - 07:00 .

[Laughing_Man]

Qistina wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote..
@Qistina: Actually - mages who use lyrium have a level of aptitude.

Those who cannot do - turn to blood magic (Jowan).

Blood magic is for the inferior.

Lyrium is not cheap, not stable, it's mineral and it will depleted...Mages should find an alternative power source

Solar energy, kinetic energy, wind power, ethanol, uranium, plutonium.....

"Fission powered fireball spell incoming! Activate anti-matter powered wards!"

Qunari photon cannon will blast the whole Thedas into oblivion, as the Qun demanded

Unless..Tevinter come out with TESLA coils reflecting it and thus making a disruption of time and space creating a blackhole sucking all Qunaris in, then shut it down

The Gray-Wardens shall destroy the darkspawn with the combined might of magic and SCIENCE!

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 23 septembre 2013 - 07:12 .

[ramnozack]

 Most people will probably go with a middle of the road statement. That being said I think its just a tool. good and evil are just things invented by man, the universe doesn't care what the hell you do in it. So yes if you are powerful enough to control it and keep the demons at bay, go crazy with it.

[Boycott Bioware]

TheRedVipress wrote...
The Gray-Wardens shall destroy the darkspawn with the combined might of magic and SCIENCE!

Well, Anders did use Sella Petrae at least...

[Eterna]

I would like to see a character who uses Blood Magic and doesn't end up as either an abomination or miserable.

It leads to ruin far too often.

[fchopin]

My blood is mine if anyone tries to use it then i will get my knife out.

[thebigbad1013]

I tend to be against blood magic. Partly because everyone who uses it seems to be insane, and partly because it just seems like it's incredibly risky.

[Star fury]

David Gaider and I think that blood magic is not evil.

[fchopin]

Star fury wrote...

David Gaider and I think that blood magic is not evil.

David Gaider and you can believe whatever you like.

[Topsider]

I hope Blood Magic is amazingly powerful in Inquisition, but come with much greater risks for 'our' mages, not just the crazies you run into. It's supposed to be very dangerous but I never got that impression using it, despite being fueled by blood/health. In fact it was disappointing. I'm not sure what the solution is without making blood magic too overpowering, but risk vs reward is somewhat lacking at the moment.

DA2 went overboard showing us that blood mages are lunatics, and was actually funny in Orsino's case. Kirkwall is just a weird city I guess.

[fchopin]

Topsider wrote...
Kirkwall is just a weird city I guess.

Any city is weird with Hawke stumbling about in it.

Modifié par fchopin, 23 septembre 2013 - 10:17 .

[Laughing_Man]

Topsider wrote...

I hope Blood Magic is amazingly powerful in Inquisition, but come with much greater risks for 'our' mages, not just the crazies you run into. It's supposed to be very dangerous but I never got that impression using it, despite being fueled by blood/health. In fact it was disappointing. I'm not sure what the solution is without making blood magic too overpowering, but risk vs reward is somewhat lacking at the moment.

DA2 went overboard showing us that blood mages are lunatics, and was actually funny in Orsino's case. Kirkwall is just a weird city I guess.

I saw a great comic page about the Orsino case in deviant art...

It was really funny how they implemented it into the game, he waits until the templars are dead, and then decides to transform himself into that monster thing because *clearly* the mages are losing to the templars...

[Lord Raijin]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Qistina: Actually - mages who use lyrium have a level of aptitude.

Those who cannot do - turn to blood magic (Jowan).

Blood magic is for the inferior.

That's not true at all. Hawkes father is a blood mage and hes wasn't inferior. In fact the Grey Wardens actually used his blood magic service for the better good.

I find nothing wrong about fighting evil with evil. Yes Blood magic can control the minds of others... but what if you use it in a responsible way? like controling the mind of 1 of the bandit members in a camp sight, and use it to distract the others while you go and rescue the captives?

Oh and anyone who depends on drugs like lyrium to increase their level of aptitude are in fact the true inferior. It's no better than an athlete star taking steroids to enchance their performance.

The fact is blood magic is powerful, not even templars can dispel the effect since blood magic isn't using mana, but the mages very own life force, and the life force of others around them.

Didn't you see what Jowan did to both the Knight-Commander and the First Enchanter? Both experienced men got incapacitated by the blood magic that Jowan cast to protect himself and his lover.

[Jackel159357]

Its a tool it can be used for both good and bad.

I think the main reason why most blood mages are evil is because of the ban on blood magic imposed by the chantry, it means the type of people who use blood magic are usually the kind that are already outside the law.

[KiwiQuiche]

It's just a tool and how it is wielded. Since you can learn blood magic from books, not from demons now, it's even safer to learn. If used stupidity, like all tools, then yeah it sucks. But that's the users fault.

Heck, I did have a lot of fun playing as a morally-good Blood Mage one time- i.e she only ever used her own blood for fuel, never from her companions and was all "lets be friends, omg noooo anders"

[Ziggeh]

Drinking and driving isn't necessarily a problem, it's driving while drunk that gets people killed.

But they set hard limits despite massively variable biologies because you can't place people who's judgement is impaired in charge of judging how much they're impaired.

Mind Control, while not objectively evil, is not something anyone wants to experience, and is for the same reasons as the drinking, not easy to determine.

If the intent is to avoid instances of mind control, the best way is to ban blood magic in it's totality.

On a side note, I prefer magic to have penalties and costs within Lore, as it provides a contextual explanation of why they're not just using it for everything.

[fiveforchaos]

Aaleel wrote...

Depends on which games portrayal you use.  In DA:O Jowan used it, mages in the broken circle quest used it,and you were told Grey Wardens usedit. All of which kept their minds intact.

In DA:2 on the other hand. Mages went crazy and attacked allies, tried to kill their family members, killed their wifes or otherwise went out their minds.

I say its just a tool.

The mages of DA:2 pretty much lived on a hellmouth so I don't know if any of them can really be used as an argument against Blood Magic. It's like using that one guy who decided to light up in a room full of natural gas as an argument against smoking pot.