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[Reaverwind]

myahele wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

To be fair DA2's portrayal of Mages and Templars was facepalming levels of bad, so I tend to disregard it when it comes to considering if it is an accurate portrayal. But it does make excellent fodder for memes and parodies.

At 1st I thought people were just overexagerating, but after finishing DA2 last week I must agree. Heck, even mage-sympathizer Thrask and crew went overboard :-

Yep. I picked sides by tossing a coin, since Hawke didn't get the option that made the most sense: "Screw you all, I'm outta here!"

[draken-heart]

Reaverwind wrote...

myahele wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

To be fair DA2's portrayal of Mages and Templars was facepalming levels of bad, so I tend to disregard it when it comes to considering if it is an accurate portrayal. But it does make excellent fodder for memes and parodies.

At 1st I thought people were just overexagerating, but after finishing DA2 last week I must agree. Heck, even mage-sympathizer Thrask and crew went overboard :-

Yep. I picked sides by tossing a coin, since Hawke didn't get the option that made the most sense: "Screw you all, I'm outta here!"

Do  not forget that DA2 was simply a story, so who knows what really happened besides Varric and Hawke? But I agree, there shoul dhave been a neutral option, or one where you kick both the Templar and Circle's collective arse.

[Medhia Nox]

@Xilizhra: Did you just excuse Orsino's support of Quentin? Are you actually Pro-Serial Killer - or are you "roleplaying"? 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 24 septembre 2013 - 08:11 .

[DKJaigen]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Xilizhra: Did you just excuse Orsino's support of Quentin? Are you actually Pro-Serial Killer - or are you "roleplaying"? 

Orsino likely didnt know all the activities of quentin. orsino supported him because he believed it would lead to knowledge how to resserect a person. So its good intensions bad ending type of situation

[General TSAR]

eluvianix wrote...
Ok, you are the first to get their blood boiled and thrown to the demons.

Try it heretic.

[The Hierophant]

TheRedVipress wrote...

To solve a conflict peacefully, you have to be willing to compromise.
The chantry failed to understand that.

Read Asunder as you've mixed up the Chantry with Lambert's faction of Templars, while  the extremists of the Temps and CoM didn't want compromise and made sure that it was removed from the table.

[draken-heart]

The Hierophant wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

To solve a conflict peacefully, you have to be willing to compromise.
The chantry failed to understand that.

Read Asunder as you've mixed up the Chantry with Lambert's faction of Templars, while  the extremists of the Temps and CoM didn't want compromise and made sure that it was removed from the table.

Easy way to solve this issue: Kill ALL the extremists, leaving only the "rational" ones.

[cjones91]

draken-heart wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

To solve a conflict peacefully, you have to be willing to compromise.
The chantry failed to understand that.

Read Asunder as you've mixed up the Chantry with Lambert's faction of Templars, while  the extremists of the Temps and CoM didn't want compromise and made sure that it was removed from the table.

Easy way to solve this issue: Kill ALL the extremists, leaving only the "rational" ones.

That's what I plan to do if given the option.

[azarhal]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 Doesn't appear to do anything regular magic can't do except for mind control, which is pretty evil.

The Entropy school has the sleep spells that could be considering a type of mind control.

[draken-heart]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 Doesn't appear to do anything regular magic can't do except for mind control, which is pretty evil.

Really? Because from what I understand, Blood magic targets only the victim's blood, not the mind.

The blood mage forcibly controls the target’s blood

seems to me that the mind is blocked from controlling the body, and is not controlled itself.

[draken-heart]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

draken-heart wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

 Doesn't appear to do anything regular magic can't do except for mind control, which is pretty evil.

I'm using the word "mind control" because that is the word the game uses when it talks about the Litany of Adralla countering it. 

That word is an idiot's word. Blood Magic literally controls the target's blood, and thus the body. "Mind control" is only used because no one knows exactly how it controls people, so they say it controls the mind of another.

[Incantrix]

I think blood magic is just a weapon like any other. However, it's risky. This is coming from a guy who usually plays a spirit healer.

Remember, spirit healing has just as much demonic risk as blood magic.  The only difference is that spirit healing helps instead of destroys. So, next time you think that blood magic is too risky, I suggest you also cast bad judgment on spirit healers.

Modifié par Incantrix, 25 septembre 2013 - 02:30 .

[draken-heart]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Direct from the codex on the litanry of Adralla: "Adralla of Vyrantium dedicated her life to the study of blood magic—the academic study, rather than the practice. A deeply pious mage, she was renowned in her day for having found a counter to every form of mind control, a defense against dream walkers, and even counter-spells to demonic summons."

That seems to suggest that "mind control" entails a lot more than just controlling the blood via blood magic. That it's possible to control the blood via blood magic is apparent, but it appears blood magic (or magic in general, take your pick) is capable of a lot more than that.

There is a difference between "mind control" and forming the connection for the "mind control"/casting the spell. I am conviced that the Litany only prevents the connection from being made by "interrupting" the casting. Note how it says that "once the spell is complete, it is too late." So it does nothing to stop mind control itself, but stops the forming of the connection.Litany even says it stops the spell, not the actual "mind control."

Modifié par draken-heart, 25 septembre 2013 - 03:22 .

[Ananka]

I'm fine with it as long as you use your own blood or that of a willing participant and as long as you learn it through some other way than dealing with demons. Then it's just another branch of magic and I don't consider it to necessarily be worse than some non-blood magic spells.
I like to get a few blood mage spells for my mages.

I don't approve of anything involving making deals with demons or using the blood of people who haven't given their consent.

Modifié par Annaka, 25 septembre 2013 - 06:08 .

[keightdee]

 My opinion on blood magic is that I want my headcanon acknowledged that the first person to "discover" blood magic was a woman. 

Modifié par keightdee, 25 septembre 2013 - 06:17 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

DKJaigen wrote...

Orsino likely didnt know all the activities of quentin. orsino supported him because he believed it would lead to knowledge how to resserect a person. So its good intensions bad ending type of situation

Oh, puh-lease.
Experimenting with corpses on ressurection? That's playing God right there.
Coupled with Orsinos paranoia about Meredith finding out and his mastery of Blood Magic?

[Lotion Soronarr]

MEh..BioWare completely dropped the ball on Blood Magic.

Not only did they compeltely ruin the supposed danger of it by having the magical Litany of Adralla (which should be just words) stop everything (mind control AND demon summons), but as a player, choosing a Blood Mage spec is extreemly unrewarding.

[ianvillan]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

MEh..BioWare completely dropped the ball on Blood Magic.

Not only did they compeltely ruin the supposed danger of it by having the magical Litany of Adralla (which should be just words) stop everything (mind control AND demon summons), but as a player, choosing a Blood Mage spec is extreemly unrewarding.

It also carried no risks or hardships once you had chosen it, it was like here's blood magic use it as much as you want without a care in the world.

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Orsino likely didnt know all the activities of quentin. orsino supported him because he believed it would lead to knowledge how to resserect a person. So its good intensions bad ending type of situation

Oh, puh-lease.
Experimenting with corpses on ressurection? That's playing God right there.
Coupled with Orsinos paranoia about Meredith finding out and his mastery of Blood Magic?

"Playing God" is only problematic if one believes in god.

That aside, I don't know why anyone who wants to defend mages would see the need to defend those who went too far. I can see why some of them did what they did - out of desperation, but most of them became just as dispicable as the templars whom they hate.

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 25 septembre 2013 - 11:11 .

[Laughing_Man]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

MEh..BioWare completely dropped the ball on Blood Magic.

Not only did they compeltely ruin the supposed danger of it by having the magical Litany of Adralla (which should be just words) stop everything (mind control AND demon summons), but as a player, choosing a Blood Mage spec is extreemly unrewarding.

You are not thinking this through.
What is the concept of magic? If you take the DA lore, emotions dreams and maybe faith play a large part in it,
as you can see in the fade. Templars, can use some *spirit* magic ro counter other magic, despite the fact that they are not mages. (they *don't* need lyrium. that's what in game info says as far as I remember.)

We don't really know what is the Litany, and how it was made or discovered, and we don't know how different types of magic really interact with each other.
So don't be so hasty to judge the Litany. (even if it interrupts you from completely demonizing magic and mages)

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 25 septembre 2013 - 11:20 .

[lady_v23]

There's a big difference between using blood magic and using blood magic to the extent a demon a can posses you. It's a weapon just like any other. You just have to know how to use it