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[AmazingOlivia]

Flemeth as a character is one of the most mysterious being in Thedas. She has untold magical ability, according to Morrigan is neither "human nor abomination", she can "possess" her daughters, predict the future and transform into a High Dragon.

Now, what are her goals? MAJOR SPOILERS FOR EVERYTHING

In The Stolen Throne, Flemeth tells Maric there will be a Blight in Ferelden in his lifetime and extracts a promise from him. This leads to Maric allowing the Wardens back into Ferelden, which leads to their search for Bregan, and the end result of that is that the Architect starts the Blight.

In Origins Flemeth sets The Warden and Alistair on a path to stop the Blight, presumably because it will get Morrigan in a position to make the Old God Baby(which Morrigan goes through with even though she distrusts her mother and knows she is a problem.)

The Silent Grove reveals the promise Maric made was to one day visit Flemeth's daughter Yavana in Antiva, where she uses Maric's blood to revive dragons. Yavana speaks to the dragons, and makes a cryptic statement about Dragons being connected to Pre-Veil days.

In Witch Hunt, Morrigan, appearing to want to stop Flemeth, steps through an Eluvian that takes her somewhere.

In Dragon Age II Flemeth transfers her soul into a new body as a precaution against her confused daughter Morrigan's possible attempt to kill her.

Sandal mentions "The old lady is scary", Bodahn says Sandal saw an Old Lady standing by his bed, and then Sandal says "She has a scary laugh"

And then later Sandal gives prophecy about the veil tearing, magic coming back and everyone being as they were. Which I think is related to the Pre-Veil days Yavana mentioned.

What could Flemeth's goal be? She mentions something about it being between her and the world in Origins. Did she tear the Veil? If not will she want to close it? What significance does her transforming into a Dragon have?
Does Morrigan believing she is evil mean anything, or is it just the words of a scared paranoid daughter?

[Hellion Rex]

I don't think that Flemeth or Morrigan tore the veil themselves. I tend to think of the Veil Tear as being a byproduct of something else that either are attempting.

[Dubozz]

Flemeth's goal is to save everyone. Didn't you guys play DAO or DA2? She saves 24/7. Like Power Rangers or Batman.

Modifié par Dubozz, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:09 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

[Laughing_Man]

I'm starting to think that our wardens were *very* arrogant to think that they actually managed to kill Flemeth. Looks like she just let them so they will go back to stopping the blight...
That's really scary.

[Hellion Rex]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

I wonder if she could be Fen'Harel...

[Laughing_Man]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

If she isn't what left of him \\ her \\ it herself...

[Gwydden]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

If she isn't what left of him her it herself...

My problem with that theory is where lies the connection between an ancient dalish deity and a fereldan witch who married a lord and made a pact with a demon, turning into the most atypical abomination ever?

[Clockwork_Wings]

When the PC tells Flemeth that Morrigan knows how she extends her life, she says, "That she does. The question is, do you?"

Makes me wonder how much Morrigan told you was true. I suspect that Flemeth is not the final villain of the series, but is setting herself up to seem as such to get things rolling...for whatever reason.

I also think she's a product of Morrigan's ritual from a previous blight. I found it interesting how certain she was that it would work. How would she know that, unless it had been done once before?

[Vicious]

I'm getting pretty bored of her to be honest. Lots of questions, no answers, no guarantee that the writers know what the hell they're doing, and since this is more a franchise of games than series of games, there's no reason for them to resolve the plotlines.

It's right in the original post. Months and years of waiting for more information to only get tiny tidbits that can be summed up in a couple minutes of reading.

So to sum up, who knows, doubt we'll find out anytime soon at this rate, or if there even is a point to it all besides more cameo appearances and questions that don;t get answered.

[Laughing_Man]

Gwydden wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

If she isn't what left of him her it herself...

My problem with that theory is where lies the connection between an ancient dalish deity and a fereldan witch who married a lord and made a pact with a demon, turning into the most atypical abomination ever?

Just think of her as some kind of Goddess of mischief and something...
She likes fun and mayhem, and letting people believe in all kind of stories about her...

Modifié par TheRedVipress, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:23 .

[Hellion Rex]

Gwydden wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

If she isn't what left of him her it herself...

My problem with that theory is where lies the connection between an ancient dalish deity and a fereldan witch who married a lord and made a pact with a demon, turning into the most atypical abomination ever?

I thought Morrigan had discovered that she was not an abomination.

I think the fact that she can shapeshift into a Dragon might be a key to her identity.

[Clockwork_Wings]

eluvianix wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

If she isn't what left of him her it herself...

My problem with that theory is where lies the connection between an ancient dalish deity and a fereldan witch who married a lord and made a pact with a demon, turning into the most atypical abomination ever?

I thought Morrigan had discovered that she was not an abomination.

I think the fact that she can shapeshift into a Dragon might be a key to her identity.

She hints she might be a dragon, which kind of supports my theory.  And about a zillion others.

[Vicious]

I'll be happy if they answer something instead of just adding more plotlines that don't go anywhere.

[AmazingOlivia]

If they answer some questions at least before opening up more, that'd be fine with me. Personally I think she tore the veil and is The Maker/ Fen'Harel.

[Hellion Rex]

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

If she isn't what left of him her it herself...

My problem with that theory is where lies the connection between an ancient dalish deity and a fereldan witch who married a lord and made a pact with a demon, turning into the most atypical abomination ever?

I thought Morrigan had discovered that she was not an abomination.

I think the fact that she can shapeshift into a Dragon might be a key to her identity.

She hints she might be a dragon, which kind of supports my theory.  And about a zillion others.

Your theory actually makes a lot of sense. It could also explain the theory of how she is an "awake" Old God. I am actually buying more into your theory. It is actually quite creative.

[Clockwork_Wings]

eluvianix wrote...

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Gwydden wrote...

TheRedVipress wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I'm thinking her goal is to summon Fen'Harel. Or possibly the opposite of that. But my theory is her scary mysterious agenda is in some way related to Fen'Harel.

If she isn't what left of him her it herself...

My problem with that theory is where lies the connection between an ancient dalish deity and a fereldan witch who married a lord and made a pact with a demon, turning into the most atypical abomination ever?

I thought Morrigan had discovered that she was not an abomination.

I think the fact that she can shapeshift into a Dragon might be a key to her identity.

She hints she might be a dragon, which kind of supports my theory.  And about a zillion others.

Your theory actually makes a lot of sense. It could also explain the theory of how she is an "awake" Old God. I am actually buying more into your theory. It is actually quite creative.

I'm going to be REEEAAAL dissapointed if she turns out to be nothing more than an ambitious, power-hungry video game boss.  She's more interesting than that.  And I don't think ambition is in her nature, really.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Well the legends say she's a Ferelden witch born 600 years ago. They might not be true at all. The other possibility is that she's an Old God I suppose. Zazikel might could've been a female Archdemon. If so, then Razikale sounds like maybe it may also be a female name. Razikale is also the Dragon of Mystery. There's a piece of art that says "The Old Gods will call to you..." that seems to be about the party entering a building. Perhaps the Inquisitor will venture underground and come upon he empty prison of Razikale. That might also explain why she mockingly said to Merrill to stop bowing to her without knowing who she was, considering she may have been one of the beings that encouraged the Tevinters to destroy Arlathan. She might also be bitter at the world because most of her fellow Old Gods were tainted by darkspawn and killed by the Grey Wardens and the Chantry has stamped out most worship of the Old Gods.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Well the legends say she's a Ferelden witch born 600 years ago. They might not be true at all. The other possibility is that she's an Old God I suppose. Zazikel might could've been a female Archdemon. If so, then Razikale sounds like maybe it may also be a female name. Razikale is also the Dragon of Mystery. There's a piece of art that says "The Old Gods will call to you..." that seems to be about the party entering a building. Perhaps the Inquisitor will venture underground and come upon he empty prison of Razikale. That might also explain why she mockingly said to Merrill to stop bowing to her without knowing who she was, considering she may have been one of the beings that encouraged the Tevinters to destroy Arlathan. She might also be bitter at the world because most of her fellow Old Gods were tainted by darkspawn and killed by the Grey Wardens and the Chantry has stamped out most worship of the Old Gods.

I feel like one of the seven was referred to as female on the wiki at some point.  For those that think she might be one of them, "Mystery" is a likely notion, and for my theory, "Chaos," because that blight already came and went.

[animedreamer]

 People still believe Morrigan was telling the truth about body swapping?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Zazikel was referred to as female on the Dragon Age wiki. This was almost certainly because in World of Thedas and Bioware's page on Dragon Age universe holidays, Zazikel is referred to as "The Old Goddess of Freedom." Ergo presumably the Archdemon was female. But the book and the in game codex refer to Zazikel as male at other points so it's uncertain what is supposed to be true. Razikale's gender is never speicified anywhere I think but I just figured if Zazikel indeed is a feminine name, maybe Razikale is too.

It seems unlikely Flemeth's the Archdemon from the previous Blight. Andoral awoke in the Exalted Age, the legends say Flemeth was born 2 centuries before that in the Towers Age. It's possible she's the Old God Baby for Toth, though. The Third Blight came and went around the same vauge time she was said to be born but it's still not clear exaclty when that was because it says she was born in 3:00 Towers, but we don't know if Ages even start in the year 00. I also think that Morrigan implied that Flemeth was unlike anything we'd seen before, including her son.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 23 septembre 2013 - 05:54 .

[Laughing_Man]

animedreamer wrote...

 People still believe Morrigan was telling the truth about body swapping?

It is very possible that she was manipulated into believing it.
Of course, it could actually be true... you never know.