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[Taura-Tierno]

Br3ad wrote...

Read the first word I said. Perhaps I should have used a period instead of a comma.(I'm agreeing, in case you couldn't tell.)

Ooh. Sorry ^^

FreshIstay wrote...

Did you know Morrigan isn't really Flemeth' s daughter?  
Truth, according to Flemeth or at least Varric' s story.

 AND THEY ARE NOT ENIMIES
DRAGON AGE 2 
Hawke : "I cant understand wether she's (Morrigan) your daughter or your enemy"
Flemeth: " Neither is she" 

Actually, the dialogue goes: 

Hawke: "I am not sure whether she's your daughter or your enemy."
Flemeth: "Neither is she."

Meaning that, Morrigan isn't sure whether she's Flemeth's "daughter" or "enemy". 

[leaguer of one]

Br3ad wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Ask Morrigan if Flemeth were always so old. You'll see it.

You are underestimating the age that a woman can have children up to, as well as the fact that Flemeth is an unknown. People also aged differently during the Middle Ages. And really, the only thing exceptionally elderly about Flemeth is her hair color.

It's made clear that Flemith jumps body to body. The current body of flemeth gave birth to Morrigan but the real Flemeth controling that body maybe something else.

It's on point. It support your point that Flemeth in a way is Morrogan's mother but points out she is something else.

No, you were missing the point of the post that said that Flemeth's body is too old to have given birth to Morrigan.
You aren't even addressing the same thing. 

Your miss the point here that people age. It's clear Flemeth is not the same 30 years ago.

[leaguer of one]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

What would be the point of helping stop a blight for the express purpose of starting another one?

Heh. Well, if she figures it's gonna fail either way, why not have some insurance?

That makes no sense.

[AlexanderCousland]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Read the first word I said. Perhaps I should have used a period instead of a comma.(I'm agreeing, in case you couldn't tell.)

Ooh. Sorry ^^

FreshIstay wrote...

Did you know Morrigan isn't really Flemeth' s daughter?  
Truth, according to Flemeth or at least Varric' s story.

 AND THEY ARE NOT ENIMIES
DRAGON AGE 2 
Hawke : "I cant understand wether she's (Morrigan) your daughter or your enemy"
Flemeth: " Neither is she" 

Actually, the dialogue goes: 

Hawke: "I am not sure whether she's your daughter or your enemy."
Flemeth: "Neither is she."

Meaning that, Morrigan isn't sure whether she's Flemeth's "daughter" or "enemy". 

 Huh?


Morrigan isn't physically present for that conversation between Hawke and Flemeth. It's pretty clear Morrigan believe' she's Flemeth' s daughter from playing origins. 

Flemeth is the one who says Morrigan is "Neither" daughter or enemy.  

[Taleroth]

FreshIstay wrote...

Morrigan isn't physically present for that conversation between Hawke and Flemeth. It's pretty clear Morrigan believe' she's Flemeth' s daughter from playing origins.

No, that's not clear at all. Morrigan herself confesses that she could have been a kidnapped child. She just doesn't care.

Flemeth is the one who says Morrigan is "Neither" daughter or enemy.  

No, that's not what Flemeth says. She says Morrigan doesn't know whether she's a daughter or enemy. Meaning Morrigan doesn't know where her allegiance lies. That's it.

[Ryzaki]

? I always got the impression Flemeth was saying she wasn't her daughter or her enemy. Didn't sound like she was saying Morrigan wasn't sure either. if she was why not say "neither does she" instead of "neither is she"

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 septembre 2013 - 08:43 .

[Taleroth]

Ryzaki wrote...

? I always got the impression Flemeth was saying she wasn't her daughter or her enemy. Didn't sound like she was saying Morrigan wasn't sure either. if she was why not say "neither does she" instead of "neither is she"

Because does would be incorrect.

Varric says to be, not to do. He expressed it as a characteristic, not an action.

"Neither does she" would be the response to "I do not know whether she's your daughter or your enemy."

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 septembre 2013 - 09:07 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I got the impression she was saying that Morrigan wasn't sure.

[ShadyKat]

Gwydden wrote...

ShadyKat wrote...

Would not surprise me at all, if she's the villain in DA3. I mean has Flemeth done anything to warrant the mistrust she seems to get? All we know are stories, rumors and fairytales about her. Her actions seem to always point to her helping to save the world, in both DA Origins and DA2.

How does starting the Mage-Templar War count as saving the world?

She started the war?...Because I'm sure man started that war. She saved Hawke's life, to try and prevent the war. 

[Taleroth]

ShadyKat wrote...

She started the war?...Because I'm sure man started that war. She saved Hawke's life, to try and prevent the war. 

She didn't do anything to prevent the war. The only thing she did was get her amulet sent to some elves that knew how to bring her back.

[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I got the impression she was saying that Morrigan wasn't sure.

More of a case of being her daught or her enemy. Not if she was her daughter.
Think of it like Luke vs Vader, or a parent and child physically fighting. There's a part of Morrigan that is effectionate to her mother like a child would and another part that hates her to the point of blows.

[Ryzaki]

Taleroth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

? I always got the impression Flemeth was saying she wasn't her daughter or her enemy. Didn't sound like she was saying Morrigan wasn't sure either. if she was why not say "neither does she" instead of "neither is she"

Because does would be incorrect.

Varric says to be, not to do. He expressed it as a characteristic, not an action.

"Neither does she" would be the response to "I do not know whether she's your daughter or your enemy."

What does Varric have to do with anything? Hawke's the one who says "i'm not sure whether she's your daughter or your enemy."

That's...what was asked? What? I'm very confused right now.

God I hate english.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 septembre 2013 - 09:39 .

[azarhal]

Ryzaki wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

? I always got the impression Flemeth was saying she wasn't her daughter or her enemy. Didn't sound like she was saying Morrigan wasn't sure either. if she was why not say "neither does she" instead of "neither is she"

Because does would be incorrect.

Varric says to be, not to do. He expressed it as a characteristic, not an action.

"Neither does she" would be the response to "I do not know whether she's your daughter or your enemy."

What does Varric have to do with anything? Hawke's the one who says "i'm not sure whether she's your daughter or your enemy."

That's...what was asked? What? I'm very confused right now.

God I hate english.

Flemeth wasn't answering the question Hawke asked, she was saying that Morrigan "is not sure whether she's her daughter or her enemy as well". It was pretty much sarcasm.

[Taleroth]

Ryzaki wrote...

What does Varric have to do with anything? Hawke's the one who says "i'm not sure whether she's your daughter or your enemy." 

That's...what was asked? What? I'm very confused right now.

God I hate english.

Sorry, I thought it was Varric.

Still, Flemeth used the same verb that Hawke did. You isn't just go doing your bes. That would do madness.

Modifié par Taleroth, 23 septembre 2013 - 09:51 .

[Angrywolves]

I hope this isn't one of those Flemeth is behind it all and I want to kill threads.
There were some of those months ago promulgated for the most part on wishful thinking by a few players.
Flemeth is not behind the veil tearing or the turmoil.
Flemeth seems to have limited precognition, an ability to see the future or possible futures.
The OP missed the fact Flemeth warned Maric of Loghain treachery .
I also take issue with the claim that Morrigan wants to stop Flemeth .
Morrigan has no idea why Flemeth wanted OGB born.
But Morrigan decided to do it anyway to subvert OGB for her own ends. According to Morrigan power has meaning .
That's why I believe Morrigan wanted the dr and OGB.
As for Flemeth I believe she merged with a God, perhaps the Elven God Fen Harel, not with a demon.
Perhaps Dumat or other Old God , Corypheus, and other magespawn are behind the rift tears.
Don't believe some players who want to blame Flemeth , Morrigan , or OGB for it.

[dragonflight288]

There's one word I think Flemeth wants, one word that embodies everything Flemeth strives for.

Change.

But the question is, change from what to what? Change for who? Change for society? Change for Andrastianism? Change for how the world deals with darkspawn, or a change in the perception f magic?

Change is coming to the world. Some will fight change with every fiber of their being, but sometimes, change is what they need most.

[Angrywolves]

I also take issue with the Flemeth body possession .
There's no proof .
Whether Morrigan lied to persuade the warden or Flemeth made it up to enhance her stature is irrelevant .
I don't believe it's true .
I think Flemeth has a way to regenerate herself.

[MWImexico]

dragonflight288 wrote...
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But the question is, change from what to what? Change for who? Change for society? Change for Andrastianism? Change for how the world deals with darkspawn, or a change in the perception f magic?

Change is coming to the world. Some will fight change with every fiber of their being, but sometimes, change is what they need most.

I suppose we could say that mages will definitely need a Change and I'm not talking specifically about the way they are treated around Thedas but more about magic, demons, and the constant danger of becoming an abomination.

Else, more on topic, I think Flemeth is Razikale, not a reincarnated one but a true original old god (well, maybe not as powerfull as she used to be). And I don't think she will be the big antangonist of the game, more a potential ally or something like that. 

[leaguer of one]

MWImexico wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...
...
But the question is, change from what to what? Change for who? Change for society? Change for Andrastianism? Change for how the world deals with darkspawn, or a change in the perception f magic?

Change is coming to the world. Some will fight change with every fiber of their being, but sometimes, change is what they need most.

I suppose we could say that mages will definitely need a Change and I'm not talking specifically about the way they are treated around Thedas but more about magic, demons, and the constant danger of becoming an abomination.

Else, more on topic, I think Flemeth is Razikale, not a reincarnated one but a true original old god (well, maybe not as powerfull as she used to be). And I don't think she will be the big antangonist of the game, more a potential ally or something like that. 

I personally believe she is one of the elven gods who is using  human hosts.

[MWImexico]

Old gods or elven gods, for me those are the same. But since Flemeth is surrounded with a lot of mysteries, Razikale seems to fit. She's the "whisper in the shadows" after all.

Modifié par MWImexico, 23 septembre 2013 - 10:39 .

[PantheraOnca]

Ryzaki wrote...

? I always got the impression Flemeth was saying she wasn't her daughter or her enemy. Didn't sound like she was saying Morrigan wasn't sure either. if she was why not say "neither does she" instead of "neither is she"

Time link didn't seem to work for me, it's 2:22 in. Flemeth is speaking on what Morrigan thinks of herself as (or doesn't, as the case may be.

Flemeth doesn't actually answer the question.

Modifié par PantheraOnca, 23 septembre 2013 - 11:30 .

[leaguer of one]

PantheraOnca wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

? I always got the impression Flemeth was saying she wasn't her daughter or her enemy. Didn't sound like she was saying Morrigan wasn't sure either. if she was why not say "neither does she" instead of "neither is she"

Time link didn't seem to work for me, it's 2:22 in. Flemeth is speaking on what Morrigan thinks of herself as (or doesn't, as the case may be.

Flemeth doesn't actually answer the question.

More of a case of being her daught or her enemy. Not if she was her daughter.
Think of it like Luke vs Vader, or a parent and child physically fighting. There's a part of Morrigan that is effectionate to her mother like a child would and another part that hates her to the point of blows.

[Ryzaki]

Taleroth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

What does Varric have to do with anything? Hawke's the one who says "i'm not sure whether she's your daughter or your enemy." 

That's...what was asked? What? I'm very confused right now.

God I hate english.

Sorry, I thought it was Varric.

Still, Flemeth used the same verb that Hawke did. You isn't just go doing your bes. That would do madness.

Yeah via this link: 



Ugh screw english. I still think it could be taken both ways (which is probably why they said it that way).

I'd think flemeth would be far more amused by Morrigan not being sure what she was but she says it in a rather somber tone (which lead me to believe she was answering hawke's question).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 24 septembre 2013 - 12:33 .

[leaguer of one]

Ryzaki wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

What does Varric have to do with anything? Hawke's the one who says "i'm not sure whether she's your daughter or your enemy." 

That's...what was asked? What? I'm very confused right now.

God I hate english.

Sorry, I thought it was Varric.

Still, Flemeth used the same verb that Hawke did. You isn't just go doing your bes. That would do madness.

Yeah via this link: 



Ugh screw english. I still think it could be taken both ways (which is probably why they said it that way).

I'd think flemeth would be far more amused by Morrigan not being sure what she was but she says it in a rather somber tone (which lead me to believe she was answering hawke's question).

It's a comment mean not knowing if she is friend or foe. Or in Morrigans case, to care fore her mothers as a child would or fight her to the death.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I feel like Flemeth wanting world domination is too obvious. Under what conditions she could be playing the dark knight, I don't know. Maybe she doesn't think those with the power to do anything would do anything if she said what was really going on. I think if she wanted to be on a throne instead of in her hut, she would be.