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[RogueWriter3201]

 I've always harkened Flemeth to Thedas's version of 'The Devil.' Not quite the old school bible version, but rather the "Fallen Power" that wants to essentially break the world piece by piece in order to build it up again as something stronger. Or, rather, what she deems as 'stronger.' And, along the way, she's setting pieces into play that will serve to effect change. 

[Vit246]

dragonflight288 wrote...

There's one word I think Flemeth wants, one word that embodies everything Flemeth strives for.

Change.

But the question is, change from what to what? Change for who? Change for society? Change for Andrastianism? Change for how the world deals with darkspawn, or a change in the perception f magic?

Change is coming to the world. Some will fight change with every fiber of their being, but sometimes, change is what they need most.

All hail Tzeentch. Prince of Lies. Lord of Change.

[Vit246]

Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you.

- Kreia

Modifié par Vit246, 24 septembre 2013 - 02:09 .

[leaguer of one]

Vit246 wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

There's one word I think Flemeth wants, one word that embodies everything Flemeth strives for.

Change.

But the question is, change from what to what? Change for who? Change for society? Change for Andrastianism? Change for how the world deals with darkspawn, or a change in the perception f magic?

Change is coming to the world. Some will fight change with every fiber of their being, but sometimes, change is what they need most.

All hail Tzeentch. Prince of Lies. Lord of Change.

No... All hail Tabris, Elven angel of continues, free will and Alternatives.

[Bionuts]

Would be funny if she exploded before her plan unfolded.

[Heimdall]

Vit246 wrote...

Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you.

- Kreia

Loved that character. 

[Vit246]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Vit246 wrote...

Perhaps you were expecting some surprise, for me to reveal a secret that had eluded you, something that would change your perspective of events, shatter you to your core. There is no great revelation, no great secret. There is only you.

- Kreia

Loved that character. 

One of the best characters ever. One of the best smartest mentors for an RPG. She defied and deconstructed everything. I loved that.

Modifié par Vit246, 24 septembre 2013 - 05:02 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I actually thought she was the worst characters one ever and all her "deconstruction" was pretentious nonsense was clearly wrong, that was but that's off topic.

I hope Flemeth doesn't turn out like that or have such an insane plan in the end.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 24 septembre 2013 - 05:05 .

[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

I actually thought she was the worst characters one ever and all her "deconstruction" was pretentious nonsense was clearly wrong, that was but that's off topic.

Sound like you don't agree with her on a moral basis. What she she was a turth and she has a point. How can people becaome strong if there always a hero there to save them?

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That's basically Sith philosophy 101. It's not that profound. The Jedi Order existed to protect and defend Republic so that not just those that are able to be strong survive.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 24 septembre 2013 - 05:13 .

[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

That's basically Sith philosophy 101. It's not that profound. The Jedi Order existed to protect and defend Republic so that not just those that are able to be strong survive.

You make it sound like the sith are 100% wrong. Both sith and Jedi have self destructive flaws. The sith want of power through dominac means everyone is an enemy and has them alway fighting to the point of weakness. The Jedi beleif in helping others allows a system were too many flaws are allow till the point it becaome too bloted...That help lead the republic to some much curroption. This also lead to order 66 which was plotted because of said corruption exsisted and someone manipulated it.

The galexy is grey. Being black moraly or white moral alway leads to an extreme weakness. There is nothing wrong with wanting to protect others or wanting to be strong but to the extrems their always be flaws in those beliefs.

The anwser is always balance.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Sith are 100% wrong. Absolutely. They're the bad guys.The Jedi are the good guys. They have flaws that lead to their downfall, but they are essentially in the right. Not the "morally grey" side.

That might not be how it works in real life or in Dragon Age, but Star Wars is a story about good guys and bad guys. "Balance" between good and evil is not supposed to be the ideal. But even then, the Jedi ideal still applies, life is often hard enough already. I don't think people in Thedas need to worry about the existence of heroes allowing them to be too soft.

Out of all the possible derailments of the topic, this is one of the last ones I expected to run into. All I'll say is that Flemeth's plan better not be "the death of the Force." That was insane. Not that Dragon Age even has an equivalent to that I can think of.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 24 septembre 2013 - 05:40 .

[spike08]

leaguer of one wrote...

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the flaws in government are the republics fault. Jedi believed in a separation from themselves and government. Much like the code of the warden. Let the people have free will. Don't oppress and try to control them. If they mess up, it ain't the Jedis fault.

but we digress as even the warden Jedi comparison is off topic from flemeth 

Modifié par spike08, 24 septembre 2013 - 05:35 .

[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

The Sith are 100% wrong. Absolutely. They're the bad guys.The Jedi are the good guys. They have flaws that lead to their downfall, but they are in the right. Not the "morally grey" side.

That might not be how it works in real life or in Dragon Age, but Star Wars is a story about good guys and bad guys. "Balance" between good and evil is not supposed to be the ideal.

Out of all the possible derailments of the topic, this is one of the last ones I expected to run into. All I'll say is that Flemeth's plan better not be "the death of the Force." That was insane. Not that Dragon Age even has an equivalent to that I can think of.

Sorry last time I checked in starwars both the jedi and the sith were wiped out from fallowing there beleifs. They are not 100% wrong and do have a point. In nature, there is no peace. It's a fact. Kotor, Kotor 2, yjr books and the clone wars tv series make it a point on that. Heck watech the end of season 6 of clone wars.
 
The jedi and the sith in away both as one to abandon others for the ways of the force. The sith makes you strike down the ones you love to advance in the forece, the Jedi ask you cut all attachment to the ones you care about even to the point if it means they can die because of it.

[spike08]

leaguer of one...
Snip

you're ignoring Luke's Jedi order.



back to flemeth I really don't want her to end up being an illusion man character, just shoved off to the side. Sometimes big boss cliches are ok

Modifié par spike08, 24 septembre 2013 - 05:43 .

[leaguer of one]

spike08 wrote...

leaguer of one wrote...

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the flaws in government are the republics fault. Jedi believed in a separation from themselves and government. Much like the code of the warden. Let the people have free will. Don't oppress and try to control them. If they mess up, it ain't the Jedis fault.

But the Jedi suffer for it. Because of that corruption the Jedi fell. That's how order 66 was allowed to be planted. The point isThe JEDI enable it to happen because they allow a weak system to advance. This does not mean they should rule, it means they can't 100% stay out of the government ruling system.

[leaguer of one]

spike08 wrote...



you're ignoring Luke's Jedi order.

Luke's order is not the same as the old jedi order. The are more grey Jedi. 
In fact he had to work with the sith to defet the moter of the ones...
http://starwars.wiki...The_Ones#Legacy

Modifié par leaguer of one, 24 septembre 2013 - 05:48 .

[leaguer of one]

spike08 wrote...




back to flemeth I really don't want her to end up being an illusion man character, just shoved off to the side. Sometimes big boss cliches are ok

I'm betting it all that she is an elven god.

[spike08]

Possibly

Modifié par spike08, 24 septembre 2013 - 05:45 .

[leaguer of one]

spike08 wrote...

Possibly

She has a strong dalish connection.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

To be honest, I think I'm kind of ready for her to be revealed at this point. I'm a little tired of her shtick of "I'm so mysterious and powerful and I'll never tell you what I'm really up to!"

I don't think she's an elven god, but I think she may have been created by Fen'Harel to serve his agenda. Not unlike Narud from Starcraft.

[leaguer of one]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

To be honest, I think I'm kind of ready for her to be revealed at this point. I'm a little tired of her shtick of "I'm so mysterious and powerful and I'll never tell you what I'm really up to!"

I don't think she's an elven god, but I think she may have been created by Fen'Harel to serve his agenda. Not unlike Narud from Starcraft.

It's more that telling you what she is helps someone figure out her goal, which is what she does not want someone to do.

On my elven god theory, it more that her persona is one but not her human body. I think of her as a body jumper, the body is one of a human female mage that age's but then over time she has to jump to a new host, like Justice or the spirit of faith. She controls a line of mages to keep a steady line of bodies, have the current body have a child, a daughter , and when that daughter come of age she jumps into that body. It's all to stay in this side of the veil.

[leaguer of one]

MasterScribe wrote...

I hope Flemeth is NOT a god.

I prefer the agnostic nature of the series, in terms of it never really confirming if gods even exist.

It's a concept of perspective. A primative person can think a being of great power can be a god when in reality they are not. The elven gods and old gods can be something else that the primative of the past did not know and they just labled them gods. We alredy have a comfermation the Dumant exsisted.