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[Clockwork_Wings]

Rikketik wrote...

My personal theory is that she is an Old God (reborn in pretty much the same way as the Archdemon in Morrigan's child--if you allow the ritual that is) and ultimately wants to return to the time when the Old Gods ruled the world. Of course, this takes a lot of time and a lot of chessmastering. The help of her fellow Old Gods would certainly make things easier, hence the existence of the ritual.

I wouldn't be surprised if Morrigan is some sort of thrall of hers--she is her own person, she is just unable to go against the fate her "mother" determined for her: bearing the child that will host the soul of an Archdemon/Old God. Otherwise I have no idea why Morrigan even went through with it, unless she has been lying her rear end of the entire game.

Morrigan's existance kind of raises more questions than it answers, doesn't it?  And it's hard to tell hat she might have been lying about when.  She says she was sent along for the ritual, but found it in her mom's book, and if her mom was going to steal her body why did she go along with the ritual, and....it just goes on and on. 

Maybe we'll find out in this game.  But if they do answer it, much like trying to do a ME4, I have difficulty imagining what they'll do that can top 3.

[Rikketik]

Clockwork_Wings wrote...
Morrigan's existance kind of raises more questions than it answers, doesn't it?  And it's hard to tell hat she might have been lying about when.  She says she was sent along for the ritual, but found it in her mom's book, and if her mom was going to steal her body why did she go along with the ritual, and....it just goes on and on. 

Maybe we'll find out in this game.  But if they do answer it, much like trying to do a ME4, I have difficulty imagining what they'll do that can top 3.

Now that I think of it: when asked who Morrigan is during the quest Long Way Home (when Flemeth gets resurrected in DA2), Flemeth says that she is "a girl who thinks she knows what is what better than I, or anyone." This implies that Morrigan could be acting on her own: she read the grimoire of her mother, learned of the ritual and came up with a plan to make it work in her own advantage, thinking herself smarter than her mother. I doubt she is, and I have honestly no idea what sort of advantage a child with the soul of an Old God could be for Morrigan, but perhaps we will learn that in Inquisition.

[Dayze]

Considering the nature of Flemeth's body jumping being referenced as a "gift" is it simply possible morrigan misinterpreted the nature of how Flemeth "survives"?

Or to put it another way; what if Flemeth doesn't body jump at all, what if aside from the amulets that allow her to cheat death somewhat, all she does is something ala the cult of haven and actually just transmits her memories into a daughter once it seems like Flemeth is going to die of old age or some such thing?

[Nethalf]

I think she's an old god baby and all she wants to do is make Morrigan to bring her into the world:wizard:

Modifié par Nethalf, 27 septembre 2013 - 06:28 .

[maliluka]

Well it will certainly prove to be interesting however it works out... Morrigan is certainly manipulative enough and I don't trust that was the only thing that she read in Flemeths book, if that is truly what she did read. I recall when you first wake up in the shack and she tells you "mother rarely tells me her plans", but yet in the end she is all about dark ritual, and this is why mother sent me with you....

Something else always bothered me when you go back to confront Flemeth, when you mention that you know how she has lived her "un-natural life span" She pretty much tells you Morrigan knows, but do you?So has Morrigan always known and just used the book as a ruse to do her bidding?

[azarhal]

maliluka wrote...

Something else always bothered me when you go back to confront Flemeth, when you mention that you know how she has lived her "un-natural life span" She pretty much tells you Morrigan knows, but do you?So has Morrigan always known and just used the book as a ruse to do her bidding?

I always took it to mean that Morrigan is lying to the Warden. Flemeth can see the "future" and planned Morrigan's path. Flemeth knows Morrigan will get the book from the Circle, she planted the idea in her mind (by telling her it was there). If the Warden shows up for the other book, it means that Morrigan read the first one so she knows , but it doesn't mean she told the Warden the truth about what was in the book.

Also, if you are a mage and ask for "spell tips",  Flemeth will say that she doesn't teach magic throught books like the Circle does. The fact that she has grimoires seems to go against this comment. So I take them to be "directions" for her daughters to follow. By this I mean that she raise her kids to believe in power above all, talks about her grimoires with powerful spells in them and the foolish girls seek the books and followed them doing their mother's bidding while believing their are workin against her.

[budzai]

MasterScribe wrote...

Taura-Tierno wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Unfortunately they have to pick something, and different people are going to find different explanations more compelling.

"Flemeth the God" is just plain lazy writing, in my opinion.

How is that lazy writing? It would totally make sense, and it's been hinted at enough, although subtly, that people could speculate about it in the first place. That's pretty good writing, in my opinion. What would be better? Some outlandish, bizarre explanation that could never have been guessed? I mean, that's what the Starchild was, and look how that went ...

Not that I'd oppose another explanation, but I cannot see why Flemeth being and Old God, or even something like the Fen'Harel, could possibly be "lazy writing".

None of that has been hinted at, though. It's pure conjecture on the part of forumites, presupposed by assumptions they have made (rather than actual evidence).

In my mind, the existence of "gods" in this world has not been truly confirmed yet.

Suddenly making a prominent character a god would destroy that agnostic integrity.

Of course, I have my own theory (she is a rebellious Tevinter magister seeking to undermine the efforts of all evil and chaotic forces). However, I hope that BioWare has some other justified explanation which is not so easily deduced on a forum.

you know that the "old gods" are not realy gods right?

[budzai]

Nethalf wrote...

I think she's an old god baby and all she wants to do is make Morrigan to bring her into the world:wizard:

ohhhoooh I LOVE it..

[Angrywolves]

Don't believe the Flemeth body jumping is real. It's a myth.
Of course Morrigan decided to have OGB, when she could have said no for one reason .
Power.
Morrigan wants power.
Power has meaning to Morrigan , Flemeth knew it and is using it to manipulate her.
I think Flemeth , in her own way, is trying to save Thedas .
As Inquisitor you can support that, reject it in favor of your own solution , or let the world be destroyed.

[Clockwork_Wings]

Dayze wrote...

Considering the nature of Flemeth's body jumping being referenced as a "gift" is it simply possible morrigan misinterpreted the nature of how Flemeth "survives"?

Or to put it another way; what if Flemeth doesn't body jump at all, what if aside from the amulets that allow her to cheat death somewhat, all she does is something ala the cult of haven and actually just transmits her memories into a daughter once it seems like Flemeth is going to die of old age or some such thing?

Someone did say that in the comic, Yavana says that what Flemeth does is "a gift."  So you may be on the right track. 

Instructions left for her daughter are also a good idea.  My headcannon says that the wardens that follow her through the mirror, the ones that genuinely love and are loved by her, find out on the other side.

I think if she wanted world domination, she'd have it already.  I think she's trying to save the world because, if nothing else, as she points out in DAO, darkspawn, or anyt other final boss/problem, really, are as much a problem for her as anyone else.

[Bionuts]

I do not believe that Flemeth literally "jumps bodies".

We don't know what she is, but she's definitely not a human. If she can shapeshift, perhaps her human form is just that.

Perhaps this is all just a mystery so the writers will come up with something later. It's all confusing to me

[Reznore57]

To be honest , in some artwork Morrigan looks so much like Flemeth ( The World of Thedas cover for example)...it's a bit creepy.
I think Morrigan is not her daughter , but a clone or a piece of Flemeth ...

[Angrywolves]

Oh what is it called .
Parthenogenesis.
long word. rotfl.
Combine two eggs together, to get a diploid number, aka enough dna to produce a child with male sperm.
No father necessary.
I like the idea of Morrigan somehow being a
piece of Flemeth all grown to human form.
Hopefully we'll meet more "witches of the wilds " as our Inquisitor travels around Thedas, learn their relationship to Morrigan and Flemeth , and why Allistair killed a so called witch in one of Gaider's books.

[Br3admax]

Flemeth has a human body. Humans don't do that.

[Reznore57]

Well I was thinking of the whole Zeus taking Athena out of his head stuff...
I mean anyway Flemeth hasn't got a human body able to reproduce , I mean Morrigan doubt she birthed her , probably because she looks like she went through menopause a few centuries ago.

[Bionuts]

Br3ad wrote...

Flemeth has a human body. Humans don't do that.

Says who?

She is not a human. We know she can shapeshift into different forms. Perhaps her human form is just her shapeshifting into one.

[Br3admax]

Bionuts wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Flemeth has a human body. Humans don't do that.

Says who?

She is not a human. We know she can shapeshift into different forms. Perhaps her human form is just her shapeshifting into one.

If she steals her daughter's bodies, and they are human, which Morrigan admits, how does this make any sense?

[Angrywolves]

Never believed the body stealing stuff.
That came from Morrigan.
There's an alleged reference in one of of Gaider's books apparently of a "gift" with little explanation .

[Br3admax]

Angrywolves wrote...

Never believed the body stealing stuff.
That came from Morrigan.
There's an alleged reference in one of of Gaider's books apparently of a "gift" with little explanation .

That came from Flemeth's own Grimoir, and I trust Morrigan a lot more than your assumption. 

[Bionuts]

Br3ad wrote...

If she steals her daughter's bodies, and they are human, which Morrigan admits, how does this make any sense?

I do not trust Morrigan. I do not hate her, but trusting her is not so wise.

It's not like she's worse than most of my Wardens, though.

[Br3admax]

I trust Morrigan more than any of the others, except for Wynne or Shale of course. All of the others kept secrets, all of the others but you into harms way, and all of the others use you in a similar fashion.

[BlueMagitek]

Morrigan is the only one who can read the grimoire, though.

None of the others actually put you up against a High Dragon, though.

[Dayze]

Another hypothetical possibility is Flemeth is like the Baroness; so joined with her spirit/demon that she isn't truly either anymore.

Or to put it another way; her physical bodies are just "manifestations" on this plane and when she gets killed simply ends up back in the veil until she can create another body or tear a rip or some such thing.

Another possibility; all her bodies possessions or manifestations but her soul is trapped in something ala that one elf in the temple?

Also that thing about the elves mentioned earlier; it is strange they seem to have had so little trouble with both dragons and demons whereas everyone else is practically plagued by the things at one time or another.....