I know Bioware was hoping to get new players with ME3 but, is there anyone who went into a game shop to buy the third game of a series they've either never heard about and/or never cared about beforehand?
Is there anyone who actually bought Mass Effect 3 who didn't play the first two?
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 10:30
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I wouldn't be surprised if half of all ME 3 players never touched the other games. BSN is it's own little bubble.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 10:38
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I cringed everytime some of bioware staff said new players won't miss out a thing if they never played Mass effect series and just want to start with ME3. Like hell.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 10:45
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I wouldnt be surprised if a large number of people bought ME3 without buying ME1-2.
I mean, for ME2, Bioware mentioned in an infographic that only 50% o players had played ME1 and the infographic for ME3 with Wrex indicates there was a large chunk of people that meet Wrex in ME3.
I mean, for ME2, Bioware mentioned in an infographic that only 50% o players had played ME1 and the infographic for ME3 with Wrex indicates there was a large chunk of people that meet Wrex in ME3.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 10:50
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I sincerely hope not.
Why? You don't like us new comers?
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 11:05
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o Ventus wrote...
I sincerely hope not.
Why? You don't like us new comers?
I don't like the attitude that devs (esp. Bioware) take for newcomers. Especially when the newcomer-friendly product is advertised as malleable, based on past decisions. If you've never played 1 or 2 and went in to buy 3, you're effectively saying "Yeah, I want something that won't be as good as what someone else might get", because you won't be importing a save file.
Not to mention that James, who is as dumb as a brick, is supposed to represent the newcomer. He insults the newcomer by being so ill-informed about things that are very well-known in-universe (the genophage, for example) when there's a codex in all 3 games. It's like someone was trying to say "This guy is you. He's really dumb." I say this as somebody who actually kind of likes James.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 11:16
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There is a strong likelihood that EA forced them to say this to the public even though they assuredly knew it was complete bollocks.serialkicker wrote...
I cringed everytime some of bioware staff said new players won't miss out a thing if they never played Mass effect series and just want to start with ME3. Like hell.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 11:37
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I'm curious. Do people somehow expect BioWare to say "You're not welcome if you don't play the previous entries"?
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 11:38
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MysticSpace wrote...
I know Bioware was hoping to get new players with ME3 but, is there anyone who went into a game shop to buy the third game of a series they've either never heard about and/or never cared about beforehand?
A friend of mine bought Mass Effect 3 by itself, and at the time, neither of us knew much at all about Mass Effect. After playing it, it was OK, but it got me to buy the original and second game because I was intrigued.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 11:52
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I'm curious. Do people somehow expect BioWare to say "You're not welcome if you don't play the previous entries"?
Apparently. I get the impression many gamers would prefer that a game is marketed to 3 people in the world. The Morrowind players on the Skyrim forum have managed to ensure I will never play that game.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 11:53
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Sometimes I have to take a look at the comments on the news section of my homepage to remind myself that video game players are not the only group of complete idiots in the world.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:05
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o Ventus wrote...
Not to mention that James, who is as dumb as a brick, is supposed to represent the newcomer. He insults the newcomer by being so ill-informed about things that are very well-known in-universe (the genophage, for example) when there's a codex in all 3 games. It's like someone was trying to say "This guy is you. He's really dumb." I say this as somebody who actually kind of likes James.
I keep seeing stuff about him being dumb, but I've never actually heard him say anything in particular that I would really describe as unintelligent.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:08
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I like James. I don't think he's stupid. Only thing I have against it is he takes up a character slot. Even some of the writers (or at least Patrick Weekes) had a problem with him at first and wanted an established character. But in the end, he's hard to not like (imo).
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:13
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David7204 wrote...
I'm curious. Do people somehow expect BioWare to say "You're not welcome if you don't play the previous entries"?
Apparently. I get the impression many gamers would prefer that a game is marketed to 3 people in the world. The Morrowind players on the Skyrim forum have managed to ensure I will never play that game.
I don't think that's what the OP was trying to say. The point was that ME3 isn't the best starting point for the Mass Effect series, since you'd be missing out on two thirds of the story. I started the series with ME2 since as a PS3 user it wasn't possible to play ME1 at the time.
When I did get to play ME1 I realised there was so much that I had been missing out on before, and there were things (like the Rachni and Cerberus) that I now understood where before with just ME2 I didn't quite understand what the big deal about them was and didn't just want to read about it on the ME Wiki.
In the case of TES, those games are much more standalone and a person can play Skyrim or Oblivion without needing to know anything about the games that came before. The Mass Effect games on the other hand are much more linked together when it comes to story though, so playing them in order would be ideal.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:13
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He and EDI (and by extension Joker) are the only real sources of humor on the ship.
Regarding Mass Effect 3 as a starting point, I think that advertising the game as a good starting point is very much a necessity. Aside from the fact that the other two games definitely show their age in comparison, there's no really good way to suggest that in order to enjoy the latest game, you have to pay the price of two others, and spend many hours of play to get to it. All in all, I think it was the right decision. Those who are interested will likely buy the other two.
Regarding Mass Effect 3 as a starting point, I think that advertising the game as a good starting point is very much a necessity. Aside from the fact that the other two games definitely show their age in comparison, there's no really good way to suggest that in order to enjoy the latest game, you have to pay the price of two others, and spend many hours of play to get to it. All in all, I think it was the right decision. Those who are interested will likely buy the other two.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:17
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I wonder if EA/Bioware have stats as to for how many players ME3 was the first entry in the series.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:19
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If James is dumb, then he's the good kind of dumb in that he's still likeable and fun to be around.
As for the OT, there's almost certainly are people who bought ME3 that didn't play the first two. I don't see how that's a problem; it's not as if people are always going to pick up a long-running series on the first installment. At best, it may well encourage them to try out the previous two and go for a proper import playthrough. I myself first saw the Lord of the Rings films in reverse order, which was quite an interesting experience.
As for the OT, there's almost certainly are people who bought ME3 that didn't play the first two. I don't see how that's a problem; it's not as if people are always going to pick up a long-running series on the first installment. At best, it may well encourage them to try out the previous two and go for a proper import playthrough. I myself first saw the Lord of the Rings films in reverse order, which was quite an interesting experience.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 12:34
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A while back, because I was curious to see the differences, I had a go at completing ME3 without using my saved games from ME2 (and, by extension, ME1) and it was horrible in my opinion, so much throughout the game is different if you just play ME3 as a standalone game - it pales in comparison to playing through with saved games from the previous two instalments.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 01:05
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KaiserShep wrote...
He and EDI (and by extension Joker) are the only real sources of humor on the ship.
Regarding Mass Effect 3 as a starting point, I think that advertising the game as a good starting point is very much a necessity. Aside from the fact that the other two games definitely show their age in comparison, there's no really good way to suggest that in order to enjoy the latest game, you have to pay the price of two others, and spend many hours of play to get to it. All in all, I think it was the right decision. Those who are interested will likely buy the other two.
I thought ME2 and ME3 were quite similar when it comes to gameplay, but I'd agree that ME1's combat is quite clunky compared to them. Books like the Harry Potter series and movie trilogies manage fine though, I get the impression that people are used to starting from the beginning with those. Bioware did release the Mass Effect Trilogy bundle later on though, on the back of the case it talks about how the story carries over from one game to the next and things like that.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 01:28
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KaiserShep wrote...
He and EDI (and by extension Joker) are the only real sources of humor on the ship.
Regarding Mass Effect 3 as a starting point, I think that advertising the game as a good starting point is very much a necessity. Aside from the fact that the other two games definitely show their age in comparison, there's no really good way to suggest that in order to enjoy the latest game, you have to pay the price of two others, and spend many hours of play to get to it. All in all, I think it was the right decision. Those who are interested will likely buy the other two.
Well, that certainly was the case for me. In fact, if I had started with ME1 I would have never gotten ME2 or 3 it is just that bad. After playing through ME1 I got Genesis hoping I wouldn't have to play it again, but unfortunately Genesis doesn't do a good job of setting up a lot of things. For instance, you don't get Conrad, the colony on Feros is assumed to have been destroyed, Kirahe is assumed to be dead, etc.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 01:28
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I started out with ME2 because it was the latest game when I discovered the Mass Effect series. You have a few questions and every now and then it was confusing but no great problem. Liked it so much I bought ME and the CE version of ME3. Not surprised if others start out with ME3 and take it from there. Don't see why it should be a problem either.
I think James was a good addition to the crew, he is fun.
I think James was a good addition to the crew, he is fun.
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Posté 23 septembre 2013 - 01:49
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I hope not, this kind of game, you can't go direct to the third game, its stupid.
It's like when i was playing Dead Space 3, i tried some multiplayer and end up with people that have never played the first ones, like, WTF? Why are you playing the third game in this franchise? You won't be able to understand sh.it, you are just here because of the monsters and shooting? Really? It was disgusting to play with those newcomers that didn't give a fu.ck about the story of the game, of the franchise or the characters.
It's like when i was playing Dead Space 3, i tried some multiplayer and end up with people that have never played the first ones, like, WTF? Why are you playing the third game in this franchise? You won't be able to understand sh.it, you are just here because of the monsters and shooting? Really? It was disgusting to play with those newcomers that didn't give a fu.ck about the story of the game, of the franchise or the characters.
