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[KaiserShep]

cap and gown wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

He and EDI (and by extension Joker) are the only real sources of humor on the ship.

Regarding Mass Effect 3 as a starting point, I think that advertising the game as a good starting point is very much a necessity. Aside from the fact that the other two games definitely show their age in comparison, there's no really good way to suggest that in order to enjoy the latest game, you have to pay the price of two others, and spend many hours of play to get to it. All in all, I think it was the right decision. Those who are interested will likely buy the other two.

Well, that certainly was the case for me. In fact, if I had started with ME1 I would have never gotten ME2 or 3 it is just that bad. After playing through ME1 I got Genesis hoping I wouldn't have to play it again, but unfortunately Genesis doesn't do a good job of setting up a lot of things. For instance, you don't get Conrad, the colony on Feros is assumed to have been destroyed, Kirahe is assumed to be dead, etc.

I actually love the first game, and have replayed it multiple times, but I'll admit that a completionist run requires a fair dose of patience and compulsion to collect as much crap as you can throughout a fictional galaxy (which I did). Aside from that, the first Mass Effect game was not universally available for all systems when Mass Effect 3 was even released. But yeah, regarding Conrad, Kirrahe, etc., they're part of the reason why I could never settle with the genesis comic. Of course, this does serve well enough if I create an alternate Shepard that I don't care too much about, but for a Shepard I'm taking seriously, I have to play ME1.

[JamesFaith]

MysticSpace wrote...

I know Bioware was hoping to get new players with ME3 but, is there anyone who went into a game shop to buy the third game of a series they've either never heard about and/or never cared about beforehand?

Happened all the time.

First reason should be simple corelation of time and age. Some today players of ME3 should be 10, 11 years old when ME1 came out. With such long time series is quite normal that young gamers having first contact with later volumes.

Or people can be longtime fans of different game genre (strategist, car racer) and when they change their preferences, they again would chose some new game, even if it meant third part of series.

Ot they can simply visit friend, see him playing ME3, try it, like it and buy it later for themselves.

I'm personally play first f.e. KOTOR 2 or Shadows over Riva (3th volume) and then return to previous games. Some claims here about newcomers are just snobbish arrogance.

[AlanC9]

cap and gown wrote...

Apparently. I get the impression many gamers would prefer that a game is marketed to 3 people in the world. The Morrowind players on the Skyrim forum have managed to ensure I will never play that game.

Going way OT, but what's the Morrowind fans' problem?

[AlanC9]

On-topic, Bio's figures showed that just under 50% of ME2 players were new to the series, even before the PS3 launch. ME3 didn't do quite as well at attracting new players, since 36% of ME3 players did get to meet Wrex.

Modifié par AlanC9, 23 septembre 2013 - 04:00 .

[cap and gown]

AlanC9 wrote...

cap and gown wrote...

Apparently. I get the impression many gamers would prefer that a game is marketed to 3 people in the world. The Morrowind players on the Skyrim forum have managed to ensure I will never play that game.

Going way OT, but what's the Morrowind fans' problem?

Morrowind was the BEST GAME EVER! If you like Skyrim you show just how stupid your are. More charming stuff like that.

[BeastSaver]

I don't have any problem with a game that has a component for new-to-the franchise gamers. Those who have import files are not affected in any way. I sure there are those who are convinced that the effort to bring in new gamers impacted their gaming experience (i.e., Bioware should have spent that development time and money on the game ME veterans prefer to play). I prefer import games, but it was interesting to see how it was changed for those who had no information on the previous two games.

[Reorte]

Fair enough that it tries to offer a path in for newcomers but any third part in a trilogy should really need the first two parts to really get the best out of it, even if it can manage to provide enough to go on on its own. If you're not missing anything and it really makes no difference which game you play first then you've got three entirely independent games, not a trilogy.

[abch4]

BeastSaver wrote...

I don't have any problem with a game that has a component for new-to-the franchise gamers. Those who have import files are not affected in any way. I sure there are those who are convinced that the effort to bring in new gamers impacted their gaming experience (i.e., Bioware should have spent that development time and money on the game ME veterans prefer to play). I prefer import games, but it was interesting to see how it was changed for those who had no information on the previous two games.

This, wtf is with the 'hope not's'?

[AlexMBrennan]

Probably polearms.

[mass perfection]

I wonder if BW is telling the truth that pro-enders are in the majority.

[cap and gown]

mass perfection wrote...

I wonder if BW is telling the truth that pro-enders are in the majority.

What is a pro-ender?

[dreamgazer]

mass perfection wrote...

I wonder if BW is telling the truth that pro-enders are in the majority.

Neither pro-enders nor anti-enders are in the "majority".

[BeastSaver]

abch4 wrote...

BeastSaver wrote...

I don't have any problem with a game that has a component for new-to-the franchise gamers. Those who have import files are not affected in any way. I sure there are those who are convinced that the effort to bring in new gamers impacted their gaming experience (i.e., Bioware should have spent that development time and money on the game ME veterans prefer to play). I prefer import games, but it was interesting to see how it was changed for those who had no information on the previous two games.

This, wtf is with the 'hope not's'?

??? 'hope not's' ??? What does that mean?

Just to add: Another new component of the game is MP. I don't play MP and never intend to, but if others find it enjoyable, it's no skin off my nose.

[JamesFaith]

BeastSaver wrote...

abch4 wrote...

BeastSaver wrote...

I don't have any problem with a game that has a component for new-to-the franchise gamers. Those who have import files are not affected in any way. I sure there are those who are convinced that the effort to bring in new gamers impacted their gaming experience (i.e., Bioware should have spent that development time and money on the game ME veterans prefer to play). I prefer import games, but it was interesting to see how it was changed for those who had no information on the previous two games.

This, wtf is with the 'hope not's'?

??? 'hope not's' ??? What does that mean?

Just to add: Another new component of the game is MP. I don't play MP and never intend to, but if others find it enjoyable, it's no skin off my nose.

Post number 3 in this thread.

[abch4]

The people saying 'hope not' in this thread, the usual self righteous crew.

Must say I was pleasantly surprised with MP, after 3 whole games of SP I really got turned off when I heard about it, but I've spent 100+ hours grinding them waves. I imagine it's the RNG more than gameplay that keeps me playing though.

Modifié par abch4, 24 septembre 2013 - 01:06 .

[SlottsMachine]

I am.... the majority! Now get on your knees and tell me you love me.

[dreamgazer]

General Slotts wrote...

I am.... the majority! Now get on your knees and tell me you love me.

You could at least buy me a drink first. 

[Eterna]

Anyone who really cares would just read the codex to get caught up like I did in ME2.

By the way, I met a group of people in MP and chatted with them. They hadn't even played the single player campaign because it didn't interest them. They bought the game just for the MP. It made me sad. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 24 septembre 2013 - 01:31 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Neither pro-enders nor anti-enders are in the "majority".

Ignoring the possibility that the numbers of supporters and hater are exactly equal (i.e. not 5 bazillion vs 5 bazillion and one) then no: "A majority is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set's elements."

[Melbella]

BeastSaver wrote...

I don't have any problem with a game that has a component for new-to-the franchise gamers. Those who have import files are not affected in any way. I sure there are those who are convinced that the effort to bring in new gamers impacted their gaming experience (i.e., Bioware should have spent that development time and money on the game ME veterans prefer to play). I prefer import games, but it was interesting to see how it was changed for those who had no information on the previous two games.

I had not really known about ME until the release hype for 3 started making it more well known to me. I played the demo and decided right then I had to get the first 2 games. I love sci-fi and rpgs so it was surprising I hadn't known more about ME before. I rushed thru both 1 and 2 (had no dlc for first runs) and forced myself to not play past "Leaving Earth" in 3 until I had an import save ready.

Waiting was a very good decision on my part. Considering what happens with Mordin and Thane (who isn't even in a non-import game) those missions just wouldn't be as meaningful, imo, if you don't have a past with those characters. I played 1 non-import game and it was the worst playthrough I had. So many people missing, hardly anyone to talk to at the FOB, so many names on the wall.....it was even more depresssing than the pre-EC endings. The only good thing about it was Mordin didn't die on Tuchanka.

[GreyLycanTrope]

There probably is OP, ME3 had a much grander marketing campaign, it went into space. SPACE!

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 24 septembre 2013 - 01:40 .

[dreamgazer]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Neither pro-enders nor anti-enders are in the "majority".

Ignoring the possibility that the numbers of supporters and hater are exactly equal (i.e. not 5 bazillion vs 5 bazillion and one) then no: "A majority is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set's elements."

You're assuming that individuals have to be either one or the other, which in itself is inaccurate. 

[AresKeith]

Well they did say ME3 is the best spot for new players