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[SlottsMachine]

Greylycantrope wrote...

There probably is OP, ME3 had a much grander marketing campaign, it went into space. SPACE!

And didn't one of there weather balloon copies get stranded on a mountain or something. 

[cooldonkeyfish]

 My brother-in-law bought ME3 without the first two, and when he tried to play it he had no idea wtf was going on so never touched it again.
I've lent him my copies because everybody deserves to play Mass Effect.

Modifié par cooldonkeyfish, 24 septembre 2013 - 01:48 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

General Slotts wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

There probably is OP, ME3 had a much grander marketing campaign, it went into space. SPACE!

And didn't one of there weather balloon copies get stranded on a mountain or something. 

Private property, another had vicious bird trouble:
"Ground crew being attacked by cows," EA added. "Remember this balloon doesn't have copies we have to mail them to you. Cows did not eat copies."

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 24 septembre 2013 - 01:58 .

[elrofrost]

StreetMagic wrote...

I like James. I don't think he's stupid. Only thing I have against it is he takes up a character slot. Even some of the writers (or at least Patrick Weekes) had a problem with him at first and wanted an established character. But in the end, he's hard to not like (imo).

I've warmed up to James. What I don't like is his GI Joe look to appeal to the tons of COD players. He's the only one running around in a t-shirt with dog tags hanging out. And that hyper-masculine marine BS. Com'on Bioware.

The only scene I didn't like him in was the Leviathan DLC.  He just shows up. I wound't been like "James who the hell asked you to get involved?"

But his dialog - James is funny.

But I would've perferred his spot taken up my a ME2 chararter. If none were alive, then bring in James.

To the OP: I think players are missing out on much of the game without playing ME1 and 2. 

Modifié par elrofrost, 24 septembre 2013 - 06:36 .

[KaiserShep]

Do characters in Call of Duty dress inappropriately for their roles somehow? I've never played or cared about Call of Duty, but I have to say it's been amusing to see how many people were hung up on the superficial aspects of the character since revealing his design.

There's no real way to just replace him with an ME2 character of your choice. How would it be determined anyway?

Modifié par KaiserShep, 24 septembre 2013 - 06:38 .

[elrofrost]

KaiserShep wrote...

Do characters in Call of Duty dress inappropriately for their roles somehow?

You know, come to think of it they don't. But it's the same appeal I suppose.  So drop the COD ref and keep the GI Joe.

About replacing him. Only replace him if you are importing a ME2 saved game. See who's alive. If no other meat shield is alive, then bring in James. Or better, look at the class of your Shepard and the saved game. Or even better, let me, the player decide.

Modifié par elrofrost, 24 septembre 2013 - 06:42 .

[KaiserShep]

I still don't see what the big deal is with the way James Vega is dressed. He's not exactly out of uniform.

Regarding his replacement, I still don't see that really working. Would it be some sort of story-driven way that you have a teammate survive, or is it just some menu that you choose from when setting up your imported game? 

Menu: Who would you like to replace Vega with? > select from list of surviving ME2 characters

Seems to me that in order to do this at all, the beginning of this story would have to be flat out rewritten so that the Normandy is not retrofitted, Shepard never returns to earth, or anything of the sort. This would, of course, retcon the end of Arrival.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 24 septembre 2013 - 06:48 .

[Display Name Owner]

In all honesty, I've never played any Deus Ex game except Human Revolution and probably a few other things like that, so I guess I can't come down too hard on people who skipped 1 and 2. But then in Mass Effect's case, the games being a direct trilogy with an import feature was the whole point, so it does seem stupid to skip ME2 at least. DH:HR was a standalone story and a prequel no less. ME3 is, contrary to what the devs said (although I completely get why they said it) a pretty stupid place to jump in. Especially when ME2 was only a year or so old when ME3 came out.

[AlanC9]

KaiserShep wrote...

I still don't see what the big deal is with the way James Vega is dressed. He's not exactly out of uniform.

I guess the complaint is that he doesn't look sci-fi enough or something?

[AlanC9]

KaiserShep wrote...

Seems to me that in order to do this at all, the beginning of this story would have to be flat out rewritten so that the Normandy is not retrofitted, Shepard never returns to earth, or anything of the sort. This would, of course, retcon the end of Arrival.

It's cheaper to just keep Vega where he is and add the ME2 character at the Citadel or something. Of course, this whole concept comes from a fantasy universe where Bio had enough zots to add all the ME2 characters as full companions, so fantasizing about Bio spending a little more isn't a problem. But I don't see why Bio should spend the zots to make Vega removable. What's the upside, for anyone who isn't an irrational Vega-hater?

Edit: I guess the bad premise comes from here:

But I would've perferred his spot taken up my a ME2 chararter. If none were alive, then bring in James.

"His spot" is obvious nonsense. Garbage in, garbage out.

Modifié par AlanC9, 24 septembre 2013 - 07:50 .

[Han Shot First]

I know two people who only own ME3. Both were primarily into multiplayer (they've since moved on to other games), and were 'Screw the lore add playable Protheans' types.

[Bleachrude]

I honestly don't get how Vega could be an appeal to the dudebro fans....

Seriously, he jokes/is best friend with an openly gay man and actually says things like "I know you love the show Cortez" while working out...

THIS is an appeal to CoD fans?

I didn't realize BSN thoguht so highly of the typical dudebro CoD fan...given how low BSN generally thinks of CoD fans, I would've thought Vega would be embraced by BSN as the anti-CoD character...

[KaiserShep]

Bleachrude wrote...

I honestly don't get how Vega could be an appeal to the dudebro fans....

Seriously, he jokes/is best friend with an openly gay man and actually says things like "I know you love the show Cortez" while working out...

THIS is an appeal to CoD fans?

I didn't realize BSN thoguht so highly of the typical dudebro CoD fan...given how low BSN generally thinks of CoD fans, I would've thought Vega would be embraced by BSN as the anti-CoD character...

The gripes with the character that I've seen typically focus squarely on the superficial aspects of the character, and very little on the character himself. The "Jersey Shore" comparison stems from his build and haircut, yet Vega doesn't do or say anything that's remotely similar to those daft orange wastes of air time. It's made even better when Cortez jokes about Vega liking grizzlies.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 24 septembre 2013 - 12:26 .

[Zan51]

Just before my Hard Drive died last week, I added the Citadel and MEHEM mods and played them through. I dislike James because he is so "muscles count" "My body is a temple, why don't you all worship me" at the party. He doesn't value anything else, not the Biotiocs as per the rest of his party dialogue with them. Just sheer dumb. He has a part to play, byt damn, he is not the kind of person my Shep would either cultivate or want on her team. He's too brash, socially embarrasing. Makes a great grunt, but we don't need grunts on my team.

So with new HD had to install everything again and got caught up playing a new play through of ME1 it is so good.
I started with ME2 but after an hour, I needed to play ME1 so got the intant download version, back in 2010. Loved the series since then, hated the endings, but love the Modded ending.

I have no problem with a trilogy game where "Your choices matter through all 3 games" being also marketed as a Starter game with 2 and 3, BUT I expect the new player part to be one path compared with the returning player for whom the game should be written, or at least be honest and tell us that it is now a "new" game, not written for returning players.

Who helps sell games most? Us. Word of mouth. I bought them because my son said I would love them. I had not seen any adverts for the game. I buy no games unless I get a personal endorsement of them, unless it is a follow on game. I will be more cautious now, though, given ME3 and the endings, and Dragon Age 2 and the ending. I sincerely dislike being pushed into a set ending when the game is marketed as there being choices that affect my ending. Choices didn't matter a damn in ME 3 but I still enjoyed most of it.

Modifié par Zan51, 24 septembre 2013 - 08:44 .

[abch4]

I like James, don't get why people talking 'bout 'CoD dudebros'. Parodies of themselves.

It's trying to appeal to a bigger audience, oh well obviously it must be the CoD players, gtfo

[cap and gown]

Imanol de Tafalla wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I sincerely hope not.

I did.

Though because I had no idea what was going at all, I went out and bought the previous 2 games.

Therefore, Bioware was wrong when they said that 3 is the best place to start.

I did not find much of a problem with starting with 3. Yes there is lots of backstory referenced, but its not like you can't figure things out. Read the codex's, listen to the dialogue. Its not that convoluted. The only thing that I was upset about was that I couldn't make peace btw the Geth and Quarians which is only possible with an import. And when I did go get ME1 it sucked so bad I was glad I started with 3 otherwise I would not have put up with it.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

o Ventus wrote...

cap and gown wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

I sincerely hope not.

Why? You don't like us new comers?

I don't like the attitude that devs (esp. Bioware) take for newcomers. Especially when the newcomer-friendly product is advertised as malleable, based on past decisions.

If I remember right, 42% of all ME3 players do not even finish the game. For ME2, that number is around 58%. And completion alone doesn't mean much, either. I've completed plenty of games that I am not even half as passionate about as I am about Mass Effect. Superfans don't make up the majority of a game's players; newcomers and fandom outsiders do.

As such, no developers with any business sense will tailor the game to reserve the best experience for superfans.

Which leads me to...

If you've never played 1 or 2 and went in to buy 3, you're effectively saying "Yeah, I want something that won't be as good as what someone else might get", because you won't be importing a save file.

Really? That's what they're saying? Because I don't remember expecting a substandard experience out of ME2 when I borrowed it just because I hadn't played ME1 beforehand. I think a more accurate description of my intial feelings would be more like: "Let's see what the hype is all about, and if it's good, maybe I'll entertain the prequels as well."

ME2 did not reserve the best game for imported games. If I had not enjoyed the game as much as I did, you think I would have bothered with ME1, or became as big a fan? The answer is no on both fronts. Hell, even after my third/fourth playthrough of ME2, I wasn't even completely sure yet about getting ME1. Going back and playing older games kind of lacks appeal since you'd naturally expect it to be less developed than the experience you've gotten used to. Someone told me it's worth it, though, and so I did. I've seen threads on this site with the OP asking if they should play the ME prequels.

Ultimately, I've paid decent money for their games and DLC. If they shortchanged me, I may not have at all.

Not to mention that James, who is as dumb as a brick, is supposed to represent the newcomer. He insults the newcomer by being so ill-informed about things that are very well-known in-universe (the genophage, for example) when there's a codex in all 3 games. It's like someone was trying to say "This guy is you. He's really dumb." I say this as somebody who actually kind of likes James.

I "love" how people rail on James for supposedly being an uninformed character, when he's not particularly uninformed at all. His character has gotten flak for this since before the game ever came out, just because some genius at BioWare (Mac?) described him that way. I have to wonder if people would make these complaints at all if that were never said about him because, again, James's dialogue is no less generic than any other party member. He doesn't offer any insight on things from experience as the others do, because he wasn't there, of course. However, it's not like he didn't know what the genophage was. And he's well aware of what's what with the geth and quarians in Rannoch, and of Cerberus (a little too much, in fact, such as somehow knowing about the Illusive Man's drinking habit).

I mean, you want to talk about a companion that reflects newcomer opinion -- what of EDI? She's mandatory, and has a funny habit of spelling out the plainly obvious. Let's not forget the way that she -- after peace was achieved on Rannoch -- spelled out the fact that Legion transformed from gestalt to indvidual... you know, in case the slow ones missed it. xD

Her character would only be less subtle if they'd replaced her with Data from Star Trek.

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 25 septembre 2013 - 03:24 .

[Excella Gionne]

Heck, some only play Mass Effect 3 for the Multiplayer. And when they go in, they're major scrubs. I started Mass Effect with Mass Effect 2 first, because Mass Effect wasn't on PlayStation 3 yet during 2012 until December. I started in September. I played through Mass Effect 2 with Mass Effect: Genesis. And then moved onto Mass Effect 3. Didn't bother touching the Mass Effect 3 Multiplayer until early January of 2013.

It's hard to even play Mass Effect, or even be engaged in it if you started from Mass Effect 3. I can't see myself only playing 3. I bought the Trilogy when it came out and played through Mass Effect and then the entire Trilogy. A great experience. I see some people starting Mass Effect 2, but then, they never finish, and so, they never played Mass Effect 3.

[BronzTrooper]

Unfortunately there is almost too much of that type of person. I personally didn't hear about Mass Effect until AOTS talked about people raging about ME3's ending. I thought it was odd that people were complaining about the ending of a game so I decided to try it for myself to see why everyone was pissed. I did the smart thing though, and started with ME2 (I'm on PS3 so ME1 wasn't available for me). I was confused on my first playthrough though I eventually got the hang of it.

I have a friend who only has ME3 and that's the only one he played though he's trying to get ME2. That's the main reason why the stats for what people did in ME3 were so skewed, more than half the people who played the game started the trilogy there. It's like watching Star Wars: Return of the Jedi without watching any of the prequels. You'll think it's good, but you won't understand why things are the way they are in the story.

The noobs have no appreciation for the trilogy and thus, make decisions that would us cringe.

[cap and gown]

Gamer072196 wrote...

The noobs have no appreciation for the trilogy and thus, make decisions that would us cringe.

I call BS. How many players simply pick the top right option every time? Lots. Veteran and newcomer alike. Don't give me this crap.

And I love how yall assume that soap operas that run for twenty years don't exist. Unless you start at the beginning there is no way you can understand the awesomeness of MY game. Yeah, right.