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[abch4]

cap and gown wrote...

Gamer072196 wrote...

The noobs have no appreciation for the trilogy and thus, make decisions that would us cringe.

I call BS. How many players simply pick the top right option every time? Lots. Veteran and newcomer alike. Don't give me this crap.

And I love how yall assume that soap operas that run for twenty years don't exist. Unless you start at the beginning there is no way you can understand the awesomeness of MY game. Yeah, right.

This.

Superiority complex on this board is often embarrassing, Mass Effect deserves better fans

Modifié par abch4, 25 septembre 2013 - 04:14 .

[AlanC9]

StreetMagic wrote...

"Top right option"? What's that?

Paragon option, presumably.

[cap and gown]

StreetMagic wrote...

"Top right option"? What's that?

Alan is correct: paragon.

[Azaron Nightblade]

I'm sure there are plenty of people that bought it without having played the other two.
A lot of people buy stuff on impulse or because they are looking for a game to play but they haven't decided on which one before heading over to the local game store - then they pick up ME3, read the description on it and go "Oh, that looks pretty neat. I'll try it."

Modifié par Azaron Nightblade, 25 septembre 2013 - 05:39 .

[Erez Kristal]

I acutally always assumed me3 was cartered for newcomers and complete paragons. because of all the railroading in that direction.

Best way to play me3 is without an import on action mode with an avenger, predator soldier. that way there are no false pretenses about shepard being your shepard. and you get to watch mass effect like a movie the way it was meant to be played in the first place

[Red Panda]

The multiplayer is pretty great in ME3.

[Deverz]

erezike wrote...

I acutally always assumed me3 was cartered for newcomers and complete paragons. because of all the railroading in that direction.

Best way to play me3 is without an import on action mode with an avenger, predator soldier. that way there are no false pretenses about shepard being your shepard. and you get to watch mass effect like a movie the way it was meant to be played in the first place

Hah. I wish we could see the stat percentage of how many people played on Action Mode. I've always seen it as a completely pointless feature, but it would've been interesting to see how many actually used it.

[AllThatJazz]

OP - sure. Not Mass Effect, but there are plenty of games where I've jumped in part way through a series. I played Morrowind before Arena, Redguard and Daggerfall; Fallout 3 before 1 & 2; I've never played Wasteland but will consider picking it up if Wasteland 2 interests me enough in the world. Ultima 7 was my first Ultima game. My nephew bought ME3 without having played ME1/2 (he's only just turned 18). He bought the game for the MP but enjoyed the SP so has now bought the first titles. There are a fair number of people who haven't played the first Witcher title because it wasn't released on console.

All sorts of reasons exist why a person would pick up a later entry in a series. Any company would be extremely foolish to send a 'sod off' vibe to potential new customers.

[ruggly]

A lot of people do that. I myself just finished saints row 3 and 4 without having played 1 or 2 ( just got 2 for the PC, but the port is so awful I may not even bother.) Hopped right into DS3 as well,,though my friend played the other two so he explained it to me.

[Yggdrasil]

Years ago, I tried to start ME2 without having played ME1, but I quit after meeting up with Tali because I had no idea who she was supposed to be even though my character obviously knew her well. With the release of the trilogy, I'm able to play them in order.

I personally want to know every little detail about the game world for the games I play, but I realize a significant number of other gamers aren't that retentive and play games for different reasons than I do. So in response to the OP's question, I could definitely see people playing only ME3 and being satisfied without having to have all of the context.

[Vespervin]

To tell you the truth, I never played Mass Effect before and I never intended to. The only other games that I played before that were like this would be both of the KotOR games and SWG. But, because I purchased Battlefield 3, I was given access to the Mass Effect 3 Beta (demo). I played the MP and the SP and I fell in love with the game. I thought it was amazing.

Once I found out that playing the first two games can change how the third game is (especially the part about saving both the Quarians and Geth) I immediately sought out the first two. Once again, I fell in love.

Hundreds (maybe more) of hours later, and purchasing all three games + DLC on both the Xbox 360 and PC, I'm still in love with the series. I'd rather not voice my opinion on the ending of ME3, because that's done and I respect BioWare for sticking to their guns, but I'm anxiously awaiting the next Mass Effect game. 

Modifié par Vespervin, 26 septembre 2013 - 05:45 .

[o Ventus]

ruggly wrote...

A lot of people do that. I myself just finished saints row 3 and 4 without having played 1 or 2 ( just got 2 for the PC, but the port is so awful I may not even bother.) Hopped right into DS3 as well,,though my friend played the other two so he explained it to me.

I'm not sure how valid Saint's Row and Dead Space are as examples. Saint's Row is a comedy knock-off of GTA (and each one is pretty standalone). Dead Space, while being one continual series, is wholly linear. Neither of them have any kind of character creation and interaction on the level of ME.

For some reason, I also greatly doubt that someone who becomes immersed and invested in fiction will be so about Saint's Row or Dead Space (less so for Dead Space, that actually does have some very interesting lore bits and decent characters).

[Br3admax]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I was with you all the way up until you started talking about SR characters. Most of them are much deeper than the 30 seconds each DS character actually spends alive.

[o Ventus]

Br3ad wrote...

Whoa, whoa, whoa, I was with you all the way up until you started talking about SR characters. Most of them are much deeper than the 30 seconds each DS character actually spends alive.

I didn't say anything about Saint's Row characters having no depth. I didn't even mention Saint's Row's characters at all.

[Br3admax]

Saint's Row or Dead Space (less so for Dead Space, that actually does have some very interesting lore bits and decent characters).

Fooled me.

Eiterway, I'm inclined to agree though, ME is miles away from SR or DS. 

[o Ventus]

Br3ad wrote...

Saint's Row or Dead Space (less so for Dead Space, that actually does have some very interesting lore bits and decent characters).

Fooled me.
Eiterway, I'm inclined to agree though, ME is miles away from SR or DS. 

I think Isaac is actually a really cool protagonist. It's just too bad that a lot of his backstory is tucked away in the EU and out of the games. The Awakening DLC for 3 ended on a gigantic cliffhanger though, so I'm anxious to see how they follow through with that, both for Isaac and the state of Earth.

Besides Isaac, I also find Altman to be rather intriguing, what with his discovery of the Marker and the inadvertent founding of Unitology.

Really, DS has some pretty nice lore. Again, it's just tucked away in the EU and isn't mentioned a whole tone in the games until DS2. The animated movie (the first one) also isn't bad. Alissa, the protagonist in the movie, would have been an awesome companion for Isaac in 3, instead of what's-his-name.

[ruggly]

Carver.

[Han Shot First]

I'm always amused by people on the BSN complaining about Bioware trying to attract new fans with a sequel. If a game company only catered to existing fans in a multi-game series the number of fans who bought their games would steadily decrease with each title. Not everyone who buys a game goes on to buy that game's sequel.

[AllThatJazz]

AWT42 wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

OP - sure. Not Mass Effect, but there are plenty of games where I've jumped in part way through a series. I played Morrowind before Arena, Redguard and Daggerfall; Fallout 3 before 1 & 2; I've never played Wasteland but will consider picking it up if Wasteland 2 interests me enough in the world. Ultima 7 was my first Ultima game. My nephew bought ME3 without having played ME1/2 (he's only just turned 18). He bought the game for the MP but enjoyed the SP so has now bought the first titles. There are a fair number of people who haven't played the first Witcher title because it wasn't released on console.

All sorts of reasons exist why a person would pick up a later entry in a series. Any company would be extremely foolish to send a 'sod off' vibe to potential new customers.

Yeah, Wii U users don't really have much of a choice. It's just ME3 that was released on the Wii U so as much as the Mass Effect fans on that platform want to play ME1 and ME2 it's not going to happen any time soon, if at all.
I think it's a bit of an issue the Mass Effect series had in general, the game releases on different platforms were all over the place (e.g. ME1 five years later on PS3, ME2 1 year later, not at all on Wii U) and made it harder than it would normally be to play the series in order for those who want to.

Games like TES are standalone though, I guess they have to be since Arena and Daggerfall have issues with running on modern versions of Windows. Bethesda would have been aware of this so made each game standalone so that playing the previous games isn't necessary to fully understand the story, while in ME it helps.

I think even with relatively story heavy games that form an overall arc (as opposed to standalone games like, as you said, TES), a story recap takes all of a couple of minutes or less. And ME's storyline isn't very complicated at all- Big Bad discovered in the depths of space, gather allies and defeat it! Even the guys over at CDPR are saying TW3 will be friendly to new players and that trilogy is more narratively complex than ME's. So yeah, I agree that it helps to know what's happened before, but it isn't by any means essential to the enjoyment of a game. And that's as it should be, imo. As others have pointed out, any company that solely aims its games to its current hardcore fanbase and alienates potential new customers, is looking at diminishing sales as that current hardcore shrinks and there's no-one to replace it because the games/devs are unfriendly to newcomers. 

What new players really miss out on is nuance, I think; context, Easter Eggs, stuff like 'getting the joke' when you see Refund Guy in ME3, additional options such as being able to make peace between Geth and Quarians. And that's fair enough - those are the rewards for being a long-time fan of the series. That exists in standalone games too, to an extent - references to the Warp in the West and the appearance of M'aiq the Liar in TES; Tracer Tong's side mission in Deus Ex:HR - these things are accessible to all players, but are only meaningful to those familiar with earlier titles.

[KaiserShep]

Han Shot First wrote...

I'm always amused by people on the BSN complaining about Bioware trying to attract new fans with a sequel. If a game company only catered to existing fans in a multi-game series the number of fans who bought their games would steadily decrease with each title. Not everyone who buys a game goes on to buy that game's sequel.

And then there's the fact that the other two games were not universally available. Doesn't do much good to state that either of the others are the best place to start when not every player could even get it.

[Tonymac]

I actually started with ME2, then went to one, then three.

ME2 was amazing, but I had no background on Tali, Garrus, Joker, Liara, Ashley, Wrex, Chakwas - not to mention Anderson, Udina, Dr. Michelle - the lest gets rather prodigious.

Once I had played a few full runs in ME1, ME2 had new dialogue options - it breathed new life into the game for me. I will admit to over 40 runs (complete) for ME2. ME1 not so many, but I get drawn back every so often and will play a level 60 soldier or whatnot just for kicks.

ME3...... well. yeahhhhhhh. Lets just say I love the MP.

[KaiserShep]

In ME1, at level 60 with good armor you're pretty much invincible.