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Air Quotes, he did it because it is wholly irrelevant to the topic. He could've done it on DE_Dust 2 for all the map matters, the map and enemy is completely pointless. The entire point of the topic is about the Argus itself.

Also I watched the video and there's nothing wrong with the spawns. Even on the early waves it's plain to see that a lot of them spawned basement and walked up to lab. Unless he somehow modified the AI themselves I don't see that as being illegitimate. Especially considering that changing AI behavior is incredibly difficult and not worth the time to put in it IIRC.

Edit because I saw the secod post:

The time doesn't matter! I don't understand what point about this you're not getting. The weapon is the entire point of this topic, HENCE THE TITLE! If this was supposed to be a speedrun I would say that it was a poorly optimized one, I don't know what it's going to take for you to get it through your skull that this is about the freaking Argus and not about the map or AI pathing.

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cowwy wrote...

Air Quotes, he did it because it is wholly irrelevant to the topic. He could've done it on DE_Dust 2 for all the map matters, the map and enemy is completely pointless. The entire point of the topic is about the Argus itself.

Also I watched the video and there's nothing wrong with the spawns. Even on the early waves it's plain to see that a lot of them spawned basement and walked up to lab. Unless he somehow modified the AI themselves I don't see that as being illegitimate. Especially considering that changing AI behavior is incredibly difficult and not worth the time to put in it IIRC.

 

He didn't show Argus on Atlases that would make him retreat if he had Argus only. And enemies spawn in front of his eyes in the basements. All Atlases spawn one after another in the same place. 

Normally when you play, you look at the lab for example (from the doorway), you kill a spawn, and enemies would VERY often respawn on the right hand side, which makes you switch. And enemies spawn at the closest spawn point, they won't spawn in the basement, when he's near the lab doorway. 

You can mod the likelihood of perfect spawns that are then easy to shoot like fish in the barrel. 

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If they are as easy to shoot as fish in a barrel I would really like to see you do the same. Please. Use the exact same setup and coalesced even. Or you could even make it easier like you've always wanted with reducing Phantom's DR and changing Atlas rockets as well. Because none of it matters when it comes down to whether or not you can shoot. I think it's put up or shut up time for you.

I'll even do it myself if you do it too.

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I have to read this.

Oh and I've survived an Atlas sync kill straight out of a revive.

Dunno how.

Dunno why.

I dun have it on film right now and I may have deleted the damn thing.

so here's a dancing wiggly man instead. ~(o.o)~

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cowwy wrote...

Air Quotes, he did it because it is wholly irrelevant to the topic. He could've done it on DE_Dust 2 for all the map matters, the map and enemy is completely pointless. The entire point of the topic is about the Argus itself.

Also I watched the video and there's nothing wrong with the spawns. Even on the early waves it's plain to see that a lot of them spawned basement and walked up to lab. Unless he somehow modified the AI themselves I don't see that as being illegitimate. Especially considering that changing AI behavior is incredibly difficult and not worth the time to put in it IIRC.

Edit because I saw the secod post:

The time doesn't matter! I don't understand what point about this you're not getting. The weapon is the entire point of this topic, HENCE THE TITLE! If this was supposed to be a speedrun I would say that it was a poorly optimized one, I don't know what it's going to take for you to get it through your skull that this is about the freaking Argus and not about the map or AI pathing.


 

21 minutes with no rockets and no running with pizza, with some enemies doing more damage, and as you say "poorly optimized" is a pretty damn good run. With rockets and pizza running as I said - that would be 17 or lower.  

www.youtube.com/watch 6 rockets Talon

www.youtube.com/watch 6 rockets - Saber

www.youtube.com/watch 6 rockets - Crusader

www.youtube.com/watch 6 rockets - TGI Harrier

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cowwy wrote...

If they are as easy to shoot as fish in a barrel I would really like to see you do the same. Please. Use the exact same setup and coalesced even. Or you could even make it easier like you've always wanted with reducing Phantom's DR and changing Atlas rockets as well. Because none of it matters when it comes down to whether or not you can shoot. I think it's put up or shut up time for you.

I'll even do it myself if you do it too.

 

I've already done it. And the spawns split all the time, so you have to swich like a turret from one side to another and fight 2 fronts. 

And it's not me who should use HIS coalesced. It's him who should play the same game as the rest of people if he wants to prove anything. And using 1 weapon only, not switching to whatever suits. 

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If it was a true speedrun there would have been much more exploiting of the stupid AI, buggy DoT, crappy spawning system, etc. The reason I say it is poorly optimized is because a true speedrunner( if they are just going for pure time) doesn't give a **** about abusing glitches in the game, actually to the contrary, that's the whole point of speedrunning, is to break the game in as many ways as possible to find the fastest possible route to the end.

But this isn't a speedrun, it never has been and you're just throwing up red herrings now because you cannot even acknowledge the fact that you're wrong. Your ego can't handle it so you distract and divert attention from the main point so we're arguing about something completely irrelevant.

You should be a politician.

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Element 0 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

If they are as easy to shoot as fish in a barrel I would really like to see you do the same. Please. Use the exact same setup and coalesced even. Or you could even make it easier like you've always wanted with reducing Phantom's DR and changing Atlas rockets as well. Because none of it matters when it comes down to whether or not you can shoot. I think it's put up or shut up time for you.

I'll even do it myself if you do it too.

 

I've already done it. And the spawns split all the time, so you have to swich like a turret from one side to another and fight 2 fronts. 

And it's not me who should use HIS coalesced. It's him who should play the same game as the rest of people if he wants to prove anything. And using 1 weapon only, not switching to whatever suits. 


Prove. It.

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cowwy wrote...

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cowwy wrote...

If they are as easy to shoot as fish in a barrel I would really like to see you do the same. Please. Use the exact same setup and coalesced even. Or you could even make it easier like you've always wanted with reducing Phantom's DR and changing Atlas rockets as well. Because none of it matters when it comes down to whether or not you can shoot. I think it's put up or shut up time for you.

I'll even do it myself if you do it too.

 

I've already done it. And the spawns split all the time, so you have to swich like a turret from one side to another and fight 2 fronts. 

And it's not me who should use HIS coalesced. It's him who should play the same game as the rest of people if he wants to prove anything. And using 1 weapon only, not switching to whatever suits. 


Prove. It.

 

FFS. It's not me who has to prove ANYTHING. For the last time. 

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If it was a true speedrun there would have been much more exploiting of the stupid AI, buggy DoT, crappy spawning system, etc. The reason I say it is poorly optimized is because a true speedrunner( if they are just going for pure time) doesn't give a **** about abusing glitches in the game, actually to the contrary, that's the whole point of speedrunning, is to break the game in as many ways as possible to find the fastest possible route to the end.

But this isn't a speedrun, it never has been and you're just throwing up red herrings now because you cannot even acknowledge the fact that you're wrong. Your ego can't handle it so you distract and divert attention from the main point so we're arguing about something completely irrelevant.

You should be a politician.

 

MY ego? The dude could do a sub 15 minute run with AC and Argus/Piranha on a Destroyer and probably 12 with AC and a Harrier or Typhoon or Talon or PPR /Piranha. That's fkn insane. How come we didn't know about him yet? 

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FFS. It's not me who has to prove ANYTHING. For the last time. 

No one has to prove anything. Argus is not bad. Fact. 

Modifié par N7didacus, 24 septembre 2013 - 09:06 .


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Yes it is. Yes it is. You keep throwing out these offhanded remarks about doing this and that and that Anno is wrong but you have no proof to back it up. You say the spawn system isn't working properly. Prove it. You say the enemies are "... easy to shoot like fish in a barrel." Prove it. I see a lot of typing and not a lot of action. I don't understand why you can't make videos of even a single wave of a gold solo proving Anno wrong.

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Jesus Christ people, this thread still going?

AQ, you still doing that?

Holy Spaghetti Monster AQ; GET A ****ING LIFE GODDAMIT!

Get laid sometimes!

Seriously!

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N7didacus wrote...

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We're not worthy.

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cowwy wrote...

Yes it is. Yes it is. You keep throwing out these offhanded remarks about doing this and that and that Anno is wrong but you have no proof to back it up. You say the spawn system isn't working properly. Prove it. You say the enemies are "... easy to shoot like fish in a barrel." Prove it. I see a lot of typing and not a lot of action. I don't understand why you can't make videos of even a single wave of a gold solo proving Anno wrong.

 

Watch the video. And watch other solo videos on Glacier. 

www.youtube.com/watch
 
QME with Hurricane + Acolyte - 6 rockets used. 

www.youtube.com/watch

TSent - Wraith - 6 rockets used. 
 

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Jesus Christ people, this thread still going?

AQ, you still doing that?

Holy Spaghetti Monster AQ; GET A ****ING LIFE GODDAMIT!

Get laid sometimes!

Seriously!

 

It's fun. Plus I have a day off. 

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He's not standing in the same spot they are. They're standing in the middle of lab, that's not even close.

Why won't you make videos yourself? You're really good at linking other people's videos and pointing to them as if they provide some kind of credence to your incoherent ravings. But I have yet to see any "evidence" linked by you that's actually relevant to the discussion. And again, as I've said before but I guess I'm going to have to say it again.

The AI doesn't matter, the weapon matters, it's about the capability of the weapon, not the capability of the player or the AI to do their job. Please for once address the actual topic of the thread.

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You see, threads like this is why I don't bother ever making videos for you AQ.

You'll just dispute them with irrelevant things until a point in time which is well beyond the point of me giving a damn about the debate anymore.

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You see, threads like this is why I don't bother ever making videos for you AQ.

You'll just dispute them with irrelevant things until a point in time which is well beyond the point of me giving a damn about the debate anymore.

 

The only relevant thing is - the video was done on modded game. That's it. That's not how tests are done. (no matter what he says he modded or not) Furher arguments are not even necessary. 'nuff said. 

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I wanna see that 33 milliseconds video again!

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I could do a game later and take screenshots.

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jamesbrown3 wrote...

I wanna see that 33 milliseconds video again!

As do I. Thread needs more Scottish accent.

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Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

You see, threads like this is why I don't bother ever making videos for you AQ.

You'll just dispute them with irrelevant things until a point in time which is well beyond the point of me giving a damn about the debate anymore.

 

The only relevant thing is - the video was done on modded game. That's it. That's not how tests are done. (no matter what he says he modded or not) Furher arguments are not even necessary. 'nuff said. 

That's not how logic works. The only relevant thing, which you seem to be forgetting, is how the weapon performs. The weapon's performance is the sole thing that matters in this discussion because that is what the discussion is about. The weapon's performance is easily replicated and you just keep piling on the excuses for why you can't be wrong.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question then. If the the test was solely about the recoil and he displayed it with its mods shooting at a wall but the enemies were modified so that they did no damage and only spawned one at a time would that be equally invalid?

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it appears I missed something over the weekend.

oh well, who cares