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#376
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Annomander wrote...

At what frame rate?

The same thing that scuppers the reegar's damage at lower frame rates has the same effect on the piranha when it comes to triple hits. 3 hits being resolved simultaneously yields better results at 120 than it does at 60, same as the reegar does more damage at 120 than at 60 because the game doesn't register all of the pellets.


60 frames / second

Cap yours at 60 and test again - it's an interesting theory. 

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AaronEh wrote...

Annomander wrote...

At what frame rate?

The same thing that scuppers the reegar's damage at lower frame rates has the same effect on the piranha when it comes to triple hits. 3 hits being resolved simultaneously yields better results at 120 than it does at 60, same as the reegar does more damage at 120 than at 60 because the game doesn't register all of the pellets.


60 frames / second

Cap yours at 60 and test again - it's an interesting theory. 


Forget it Aaron. It's to do with the fact that I saved patch 02 first, then the base coalesced.

I only thought of this because a remark that Paynezz made about brutes dying really fast in husk mode; the order in which the files are saved is the order in which the game chooses which is the "latest" version.

Copied from above.

(StatName=\\"MaxHealth\\",StatRange=(X=14000.0f,Y=23000.0f)),(StatName=\\"MaxShields\\",StatRange=(X=14062.5f,Y=21094.0f)

The value in the patch 02 coalesced for the health / shields is the "correct" one. So technically, the atlas should have been tougher.

However, as I was putting this together it was the base coalesced that I saved last, so it was using the values for the atlas before it got it's shields / armour buffed. So technically, it's 5000 shields and armour short, hence the disparity in the TTK.

You may also notice that the atlas is moving slowly. Modding patch 02 causes some problems; primes still stun lock you, the atlas movement speed buff is lost, and by the looks of it the shields / health values were included in the same patch fix that is removed if you mod patch 02.

From balance changes:

Atlas
- (Silver) Armor increased from 11250 to 12940
- (Silver) Shields increased from 11250 to 12940
- (Gold) Armor increased from 16875 to 21094
- (Gold) Shields increased from 16875 to 21094

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Annomander wrote...

...edit...

However, as I was putting this together it was the base coalesced that I saved last, so it was using the values for the atlas before it got it's shields / armour buffed. So tecnically, it's 5000 shields and armour short, hence the disparity in the TTK.

...edit...


Fair enough.  The prospect of taking them down that fast without weapon amps was very appealing.

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cowwy wrote...

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lightswitch wrote...

 so, uhh, I'll just leave these here then:

http://social.biowar...3270/4#15595381

http://social.biowar...3270/4#15595952



People shouldn't be allowed to change their views on things. Once they say something once they should stick with it until they die.


either that or people shouldn't be incredibly condescending smartasses


And who would that be in reference to?


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 What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

I mean...you've got to admit it's a little bit funny that Annomander is now sagely advocating the exact build he was publically eviscerating before

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cowwy wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

cowwy wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

 so, uhh, I'll just leave these here then:

http://social.biowar...3270/4#15595381

http://social.biowar...3270/4#15595952



People shouldn't be allowed to change their views on things. Once they say something once they should stick with it until they die.


either that or people shouldn't be incredibly condescending smartasses


And who would that be in reference to?


Annomander wrote...
 What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

I mean...you've got to admit it's a little bit funny that Annomander is now sagely advocating the exact build he was publically eviscerating before

 

Not the first time. Not the last. 

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lightswitch wrote...
I mean...you've got to admit it's a little bit funny that Annomander is now sagely advocating the exact build he was publically eviscerating before


Well, I'll say it.

I was wrong.The build is pretty darn good. I guess I should send that guy a PM apologising. Oh wait, I can't do that anymore can I. And I guess he'd rightully decline my friend request if I wanted to send him a PM.

I guess I was wrong to be so arrogant and arse-ish towards him. His build actually works pretty well.

In blacklight, low recoil guns, with fast TTK and good accuracy are miles better than unstable, innaccurate high TTK guns, as putting more rounds into the target gives better results than stacking damage.

Although, in all fairness harrier is still > argus. And you can afford the mag and the damage barrel on the harrier. So I wasn't entirely wrong, I just shouldn't have been so dickish about it.

Modifié par Annomander, 24 septembre 2013 - 08:20 .


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Headshotting a Centurion is nothing special.

Headshotting a moving nemesis 0.2s later, and then a moving assault trooper 0.2s later and another one 0.2s later and another nemesis 0.2 later and getting the 5 headshot medal 3s after the game started IS special.

Not even Stentron can do that, and he's half machine.

The praise Jay gets is legit. No one else can do what he does, including guys who are far better than you.

What you're babbling about is exactly why so many people have a low opinion of the xbox community.


Exactly. Some people deserve praise, and it's a shame Ronnie Blastoff is too immature for that, and that he's jealous.

Anyone who can outdo Jay in game has earned the right to call him "nothing special". So Ronnie, we're waiting on you bringing us a video of you getting 5 kills, all 5 of which are headshots, within about 2 seconds and within the first 9 shots you fire using a saber w/ marksman on a QMS.

Until you've proven you're better than Jay, you don't really have the right to call him average, as doing so just makes you look like a whining little jealous b*tch.



For those still defending him... seriously, go watch Scrmz, or Hypno. Both players are professional FPS players who compete at tournaments around the world. The first replay is a demo playback, with spectator overlord (you can see the other player at all times) enabled.

Compare REAL professional gamers, to that video, and you'll see exactly why he's aimbotting.

Real FPS players can't make instant snap target switches, nor do they have pixel perfect head tracking.

Real FPS players also don't get banned on steam because their games are hooked.



Oh, and you all are welcome for me uploading the video to mediafire.

(Seen as how I was the only one with brain enough to know an aimbot when I see one and actually download the original video.)


For the longest of times I played devil's advocate for him, he seemed nice enough. Then Jay thought it would be intelligent to cheat against me in left for dead (precision head-shotting me, standing on the other side of a fence, when you can neither see, nor hear where I am? Nice try.). Just 2 weeks later he received a VAC ban on steam, because VAC found out his games were hooked.


You TOTALLY KNEW what was going on ALL ALONG.

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Element 0 wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Feneckus wrote...

Headshotting a Centurion is nothing special.

Headshotting a moving nemesis 0.2s later, and then a moving assault trooper 0.2s later and another one 0.2s later and another nemesis 0.2 later and getting the 5 headshot medal 3s after the game started IS special.

Not even Stentron can do that, and he's half machine.

The praise Jay gets is legit. No one else can do what he does, including guys who are far better than you.

What you're babbling about is exactly why so many people have a low opinion of the xbox community.


Exactly. Some people deserve praise, and it's a shame Ronnie Blastoff is too immature for that, and that he's jealous.

Anyone who can outdo Jay in game has earned the right to call him "nothing special". So Ronnie, we're waiting on you bringing us a video of you getting 5 kills, all 5 of which are headshots, within about 2 seconds and within the first 9 shots you fire using a saber w/ marksman on a QMS.

Until you've proven you're better than Jay, you don't really have the right to call him average, as doing so just makes you look like a whining little jealous b*tch.



For those still defending him... seriously, go watch Scrmz, or Hypno. Both players are professional FPS players who compete at tournaments around the world. The first replay is a demo playback, with spectator overlord (you can see the other player at all times) enabled.

Compare REAL professional gamers, to that video, and you'll see exactly why he's aimbotting.

Real FPS players can't make instant snap target switches, nor do they have pixel perfect head tracking.

Real FPS players also don't get banned on steam because their games are hooked.



Oh, and you all are welcome for me uploading the video to mediafire.

(Seen as how I was the only one with brain enough to know an aimbot when I see one and actually download the original video.)


For the longest of times I played devil's advocate for him, he seemed nice enough. Then Jay thought it would be intelligent to cheat against me in left for dead (precision head-shotting me, standing on the other side of a fence, when you can neither see, nor hear where I am? Nice try.). Just 2 weeks later he received a VAC ban on steam, because VAC found out his games were hooked.


You TOTALLY KNEW what was going on ALL ALONG.


Lol.


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Wait... Didn't I already...

Dejà Vu!

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You hackused Jay, when you had no evidence, out of jealousy and spite, AirQuotes.

As much as I disagree with his use of third party software, I can't fault him for being an ok guy... and after everything, guess who's the bigger d*ckhead? Yeah, me. Not the cheater. Me. I acted wrongly in regards to this, I handled it poorly, I acted wrongly in regards to other people like Feneckus and Deerber who I once called friends: who I'd like to call friends again, only I probably don't deserve them after the things I've said.


And the exact same applies to you too, AirQuotes. Not only are you a loud mouth, an idiot and a clown, you're also a complete b*tch because of the way you act towards people. What are you trying to prove here? That I've made mistakes? Yeah, and I'm fine with admitting to that. You on the other hand, lack the spine to do something as simple as acknowledge your mistakes... on the internet, where it costs you nothing.

If I ever get the chance, I'll probably try and smooth things over with him; just providing he doesn't join my shoot mania duel games or my PureHeloDeck games in BLR, or my UT2k4CampGr0unds servers, I guess I'm cool with him cheating all he likes.


I resented the fact he lied to me, however.


And trust me AQ, if you had ever played any UT, you'd see why I don't immediately hackuse people without evidence like you do. For one, there are many people who are just plain better than the average player. And I was of the mind set that if you don't have evidence, you don't level accusations at people. You learn that you're really not that great when Luxxiz headshots you 3-4 times in a row with an LG.


As for Deerber's comments, I guess he's trolling, but feel free to point out any point in the video where my crosshair insta-snaps directly onto any enemy head without mouse movement.

Modifié par Annomander, 24 septembre 2013 - 08:44 .


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The Argus truly brings out the best and worst of us.

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What the hell happened here?

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lightswitch wrote...

Annomander wrote...
 What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

I gotta say that was the first thing that came to my mind when reading the OP, something along the lines "lololol console peasant can't aim without stabililty mods, l2p". Still, it saddens me to see still so much hate on this board.

AQ, why are you so mad about Anno modding stuff? I'm sure he wasn't trying to brag with knowing it's easier gameplay.
Can't you guys just be friends?:lol:

OT: nice stuff, but I can't really see the difference between your Argus and a Sabre. Also, imo this requires too much modding (the good kind, with weapon mods and equipment), the Argus has very low standard accuracy and you reduced the spray almost to zero. A gun shouldn't need that much sacrifice to make it fun.

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Cyonan wrote...

What the hell happened here?


Err Coots happened. 

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Good stuff. All acceptable changes as far I am concerned but I appreciate a solo more if somebody does it with a default coalesced.

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nevermind, can we archive this thread?

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Ledgend1221 wrote...

The Argus truly brings out the best and worst of us.



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Cyonan wrote...

What the hell happened here?


I don't really know.

I failed at modding (atlasses in the video used non-buffed health / shields... hurrrrr, hence the really short TTKs).

And AirQuotes once again decided he would act like a two-year old and take a tantrum.

I admitted to some d*ck-headdery, and admitted to being wrong.

That's all I got.


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Good stuff. All acceptable changes
as far I am concerned but I appreciate a solo more if somebody does it
with a default coalesced.


To be fair, I messed up with the atlasses.


The argus is badass, and everyone who I ever mouthed off at for using stability on their guns...

I was wrong.

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Cyonan wrote...

What the hell happened here?


Annomander posted gameplay of a harder-than-normal situation where the Argus excelled.

Er Coots called him a dirty hacker modding the game in his favor.

Annomander challenged Er Coots to try the same setup to clear his name of the hackusation.

Er Coots refused to just boot up the game and try it and continued hackusing him.

Raw, concentrated, 100% unadulterated stupidity ensued.

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You hackused Jay, when you had no evidence, out of jealousy and spite, AirQuotes.

As much as I disagree with his use of third party software, I can't fault him for being an ok guy... and after everything, guess who's the bigger d*ckhead? Yeah, me. Not the cheater. Me. I acted wrongly in regards to this, I handled it poorly, I acted wrongly in regards to other people like Feneckus and Deerber who I once called friends: who I'd like to call friends again, only I probably don't deserve them after the things I've said.


And the exact same applies to you too, AirQuotes. Not only are you a loud mouth, an idiot and a clown, you're also a complete b*tch because of the way you act towards people. What are you trying to prove here? That I've made mistakes? Yeah, and I'm fine with admitting to that. You on the other hand, lack the spine to do something as simple as acknowledge your mistakes... on the internet, where it costs you nothing.

If I ever get the chance, I'll probably try and smooth things over with him; just providing he doesn't join my shoot mania duel games or my PureHeloDeck games in BLR, or my UT2k4CampGr0unds servers, I guess I'm cool with him cheating all he likes.


I resented the fact he lied to me, however.


And trust me AQ, if you had ever played any UT, you'd see why I don't immediately hackuse people without evidence like you do. For one, there are many people who are just plain better than the average player. And I was of the mind set that if you don't have evidence, you don't level accusations at people. You learn that you're really not that great when Luxxiz headshots you 3-4 times in a row with an LG.


As for Deerber's comments, I guess he's trolling, but feel free to point out any point in the video where my crosshair insta-snaps directly onto any enemy head without mouse movement.

 

Evidence? The guy makes a video with a Javelin and Saber where he headshots anything and everything moving, strafing, rolling, flipping, flinching, turning, smashing without his crosshairs ever leaving the head and snapping on like a condom. He gets 20 headshots before 25 kills where the whole map is in screenshake.  He outscores best people there are by 50k+ with inferior weapons while not even playing on a crappy laptop. 

As for '**** acting" 

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But enough of this. 

I admit, I go too far sometimes and too often. But I'm not gonna take everything people say or even do for granted when I know the game can be easily tampered with in a million ways possible (and when it's OBVIOUS), nor I will give them praise or suckle to them in every possible thread throwing big names from a "pro league" 

P.S. I don't even know why you started to rag on me all of a sudden a few weeks ago. It seemed we were doing okay, making a few jokes, you have even replied to my PM's about the Valiant, which I thanked you for. But it's your choice. 

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Cyonan wrote...

What the hell happened here?

Element 0 wrote...

This is not a thread about me



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Annomander wrote...
 What are you playing on, bronze? Who in their right mind uses stability and scope mods on an assault rifle...?

I gotta say that was the first thing that came to my mind when reading the OP, something along the lines "lololol console peasant can't aim without stabililty mods, l2p". Still, it saddens me to see still so much hate on this board.

AQ, why are you so mad about Anno modding stuff? I'm sure he wasn't trying to brag with knowing it's easier gameplay.
Can't you guys just be friends?:lol:

OT: nice stuff, but I can't really see the difference between your Argus and a Sabre. Also, imo this requires too much modding (the good kind, with weapon mods and equipment), the Argus has very low standard accuracy and you reduced the spray almost to zero. A gun shouldn't need that much sacrifice to make it fun.

 

I woudn't care if he posted modded gameplay as he posted many times before. But this should've been a proper test, done on default game (which he can EASILY do) with default weapons and enemies on default maps. 

And using the Argus only to show off ALL it's capabilities in a REAL game. 

I'm not jelly of Anno's shooting (which is really great), but it's not how it should've been handled and he knows it full well.
He can be a tool, but he knows a thing or two about the game and how it's done. 

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cowwy wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

You see, threads like this is why I don't bother ever making videos for you AQ.

You'll just dispute them with irrelevant things until a point in time which is well beyond the point of me giving a damn about the debate anymore.

 

The only relevant thing is - the video was done on modded game. That's it. That's not how tests are done. (no matter what he says he modded or not) Furher arguments are not even necessary. 'nuff said. 

That's not how logic works. The only relevant thing, which you seem to be forgetting, is how the weapon performs. The weapon's performance is the sole thing that matters in this discussion because that is what the discussion is about. The weapon's performance is easily replicated and you just keep piling on the excuses for why you can't be wrong.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question then. If the test was solely about the recoil and he displayed it with its mods shooting at a wall but the enemies were modified so that they did no damage and only spawned one at a time would that be equally invalid?


Air Quotes I'm still waiting for a response to this. Please.

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cowwy wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

You see, threads like this is why I don't bother ever making videos for you AQ.

You'll just dispute them with irrelevant things until a point in time which is well beyond the point of me giving a damn about the debate anymore.

 

The only relevant thing is - the video was done on modded game. That's it. That's not how tests are done. (no matter what he says he modded or not) Furher arguments are not even necessary. 'nuff said. 

That's not how logic works. The only relevant thing, which you seem to be forgetting, is how the weapon performs. The weapon's performance is the sole thing that matters in this discussion because that is what the discussion is about. The weapon's performance is easily replicated and you just keep piling on the excuses for why you can't be wrong.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question then. If the test was solely about the recoil and he displayed it with its mods shooting at a wall but the enemies were modified so that they did no damage and only spawned one at a time would that be equally invalid?


Air Quotes I'm still waiting for a response to this. Please.

 

You know my response. It showed SOME capabilities of killing conga line enemies that all funnel in. It didn't show how it does vs DEFAULT Atlases or whatever else that was or was not modded. 

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Element 0 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

You see, threads like this is why I don't bother ever making videos for you AQ.

You'll just dispute them with irrelevant things until a point in time which is well beyond the point of me giving a damn about the debate anymore.

 

The only relevant thing is - the video was done on modded game. That's it. That's not how tests are done. (no matter what he says he modded or not) Furher arguments are not even necessary. 'nuff said. 

That's not how logic works. The only relevant thing, which you seem to be forgetting, is how the weapon performs. The weapon's performance is the sole thing that matters in this discussion because that is what the discussion is about. The weapon's performance is easily replicated and you just keep piling on the excuses for why you can't be wrong.

Let me ask you a hypothetical question then. If the test was solely about the recoil and he displayed it with its mods shooting at a wall but the enemies were modified so that they did no damage and only spawned one at a time would that be equally invalid?


Air Quotes I'm still waiting for a response to this. Please.

 

You know my response. It showed SOME capabilities of killing conga line enemies that all funnel in. It didn't show how it does vs DEFAULT Atlases or whatever else was modded.


Yet you don't answer the question. Why is it so difficult for you to post a legitimate video or give a legitimate response to a question? You keep dancing around questions and not giving any answers. For once just answer a simple damn question.

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DullahansXMark wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

What the hell happened here?


Annomander posted gameplay of a harder-than-normal situation where the Argus excelled.

Er Coots called him a dirty hacker modding the game in his favor.

Annomander challenged Er Coots to try the same setup to clear his name of the hackusation.

Er Coots refused to just boot up the game and try it and continued hackusing him.

Raw, concentrated, 100% unadulterated stupidity ensued.



Hackusing :Accusing a fellow player of hacking (aimbots, wallhacks, autofire, stat changers ,etc) on an game. Mostly used on online games. Kids who have no idea thay are noobs (kids who think cursing attracts women) use this behavior on Pros/non-noobs to make themselves feel better but it actually only makes them look stupid infront of other people.Hackuser kid : " Dood u ****ing killed me in one shot from very far away! HACKER! Yoo have aimbot im reporting you."lolz

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