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Launching a precision strike... Soloing gold with dat M55 Argus.

Débuté par BridgeBurner , sept. 23 2013 08:10

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 02:29

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cato_84 wrote...

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I have a video uploading now showing the exact same thing but without any modifications to the game minus my FoV and split up spacebar. It shows that the spawns he was getting are legitimate, wave 1 I had most of the wave funneling down lab until I overextended and made them come through LZ. My aim was a lot less pretty and I stopped during wave 6 because I got bored and annoyed.


Being 6 ops packs and 5 gels down at that point couldn't have helped either :whistle:

Still, kudos to you. Someone finally made a comparison video, though I somehow doubt it will have the desired effect.

 

He used 2 ops packs cos he "missed" the button. But he died mostly because he was getting swarmed from multiple directions and Argus is quite slow for switching targets. 

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 02:53

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Argus min refire is 0.65s, time for burst with no ROF bonus is 0.24s for a total time of 0.89s.

Saber has ROF of 80 base for shot times of 0.75s, although that isn't always practical given the inaccuracy at high ROF.

Argus isn't really all that slow for switching targets, unless you also say Saber is. Either way the time is manageable and given that you are killing a basic in one shot, that makes total time on one target lower than a lot of weapons.

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capn233 wrote...

Argus min refire is 0.65s, time for burst with no ROF bonus is 0.24s for a total time of 0.89s.

Saber has ROF of 80 base for shot times of 0.75s, although that isn't always practical given the inaccuracy at high ROF.

Argus isn't really all that slow for switching targets, unless you also say Saber is. Either way the time is manageable and given that you are killing a basic in one shot, that makes total time on one target lower than a lot of weapons.

 

Saber doesn't need a "mandatory" scope on top. And Saber can one shot stuff. 

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:10

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Element 0 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Argus min refire is 0.65s, time for burst with no ROF bonus is 0.24s for a total time of 0.89s.

Saber has ROF of 80 base for shot times of 0.75s, although that isn't always practical given the inaccuracy at high ROF.

Argus isn't really all that slow for switching targets, unless you also say Saber is. Either way the time is manageable and given that you are killing a basic in one shot, that makes total time on one target lower than a lot of weapons.

 

Saber doesn't need a "mandatory" scope on top. And Saber can one shot stuff. 

This really is like arguing with a eight-year-old kid :lol:

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:13

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Aedolon wrote...

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capn233 wrote...

Argus min refire is 0.65s, time for burst with no ROF bonus is 0.24s for a total time of 0.89s.

Saber has ROF of 80 base for shot times of 0.75s, although that isn't always practical given the inaccuracy at high ROF.

Argus isn't really all that slow for switching targets, unless you also say Saber is. Either way the time is manageable and given that you are killing a basic in one shot, that makes total time on one target lower than a lot of weapons.

 

Saber doesn't need a "mandatory" scope on top. And Saber can one shot stuff. 

This really is like arguing with a eight-year-old kid :lol:

 

Yeap. Now you're gonna tell me that Argus is better than Saber. Go on. 

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:14

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I need a popcorn gif. over here!

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:16

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VaultingFrog wrote...

I need a popcorn gif. over here!

Here ya go.

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:28

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Element 0 wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

capn233 wrote...

Argus min refire is 0.65s, time for burst with no ROF bonus is 0.24s for a total time of 0.89s.

Saber has ROF of 80 base for shot times of 0.75s, although that isn't always practical given the inaccuracy at high ROF.

Argus isn't really all that slow for switching targets, unless you also say Saber is. Either way the time is manageable and given that you are killing a basic in one shot, that makes total time on one target lower than a lot of weapons.

 

Saber doesn't need a "mandatory" scope on top. And Saber can one shot stuff. 

This really is like arguing with a eight-year-old kid :lol:

 

Yeap. Now you're gonna tell me that Argus is better than Saber. Go on. 


capn233 is making the point that Argus' target switching isn't really that bad - it's practically no worse than Sabre's. And then you start to defend Sabre.

It baffles my mind how someone can miss a point so completely.

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Aedolon wrote...

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Aedolon wrote...

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capn233 wrote...

Argus min refire is 0.65s, time for burst with no ROF bonus is 0.24s for a total time of 0.89s.

Saber has ROF of 80 base for shot times of 0.75s, although that isn't always practical given the inaccuracy at high ROF.

Argus isn't really all that slow for switching targets, unless you also say Saber is. Either way the time is manageable and given that you are killing a basic in one shot, that makes total time on one target lower than a lot of weapons.

 

Saber doesn't need a "mandatory" scope on top. And Saber can one shot stuff. 

This really is like arguing with a eight-year-old kid :lol:

 

Yeap. Now you're gonna tell me that Argus is better than Saber. Go on. 


capn233 is making the point that Argus' target switching isn't really that bad - it's practically no worse than Sabre's. And then you start to defend Sabre.

It baffles my mind how someone can miss a point so completely.

 

Argus target switching isn't really that bad when you DON'T HAVE A SCOPE ON IT. Meaning DEFAULT weapon. But it's almost MANDATORY for Argus to WORK. And scope ADDS time. And Saber doesn't need it. 

Are we clear? 

Modifié par Element 0, 25 septembre 2013 - 03:41 .

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Soon you will tell me that it's as fast to switch targets with a sniper as is with a shotgun. Also in CQC.

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:43

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Element 0 wrote...

Saber doesn't need a "mandatory" scope on top. And Saber can one shot stuff.

You don't need the scope on the Argus.

Trigger pulls on target are the same between the two weapons.

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Element 0 wrote...

Soon you will tell me that it's as fast to switch targets with a sniper as is with a shotgun. Also in CQC.


The gun in question is an assault rifle.

Why are sniper rifles being brought into this?

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:46

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Element 0 wrote...

Argus target switching isn't really that bad when you DON'T HAVE A SCOPE ON IT. Meaning DEFAULT weapon. But it's almost MANDATORY for Argus to WORK. And scope ADDS time. And SAber doesn't need it. 

Are we clear? 


My, my. You're getting mad now?

Who cares how "default" weapons perform. No one uses them. Most weapons suck by default. Harrier can't penetrate f***ing Guardian shields without slapping a piercing mod or AP ammo on it, how ridiculous is that!? Obviously that's because Harrier just sucks as a weapon, right?

You're being silly, as usual. Weapon mods exist so we can use them to overcome weapons' inherent weaknesses and boost their strengths. Comparing "default" weapons is just plain idiotic.

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:46

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Project_Lazarus wrote...

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I need a popcorn gif. over here!

Here ya go.

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Just what I needed.

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 03:47

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Element 0 wrote...
Argus target switching isn't really that bad when you DON'T HAVE A SCOPE ON IT. Meaning DEFAULT weapon. But it's almost MANDATORY for Argus to WORK. And scope ADDS time. And Saber doesn't need it. 


My test with the Argus was done without the scope, and using console with the auto-aim madness. There wasn't a spread issue, and I performed better than I usually do. It's especially noteworthy I hadn't used the weapon in months, and then only to finish its challenge.

I would actually say a scope on the Argus would be a detrimen to the process. At least, for me, it would be, by adding to the aiming time.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 25 septembre 2013 - 03:48 .

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capn233 wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Saber doesn't need a "mandatory" scope on top. And Saber can one shot stuff.

You don't need the scope on the Argus.

Trigger pulls on target are the same between the two weapons.

 

:lol: 

You need it for maximum accuracy which is needed for Argus to really work. And when stuff comes in your face to melee you - the scope is a hindrance. And hipfiring is again not a perfect solution. The scope helps it, but it also has more tunnel vision and so on. 

Plus Argus needs more tests in real games with full teams on different maps, when there's screenshake and also vs different enemies, such as Reapers. 

Only then you can draw conclusions about something. 

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Aedolon wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Argus target switching isn't really that bad when you DON'T HAVE A SCOPE ON IT. Meaning DEFAULT weapon. But it's almost MANDATORY for Argus to WORK. And scope ADDS time. And SAber doesn't need it. 

Are we clear? 


My, my. You're getting mad now?

Who cares how "default" weapons perform. No one uses them. Most weapons suck by default. Harrier can't penetrate f***ing Guardian shields without slapping a piercing mod or AP ammo on it, how ridiculous is that!? Obviously that's because Harrier just sucks as a weapon, right?

You're being silly, as usual. Weapon mods exist so we can use them to overcome weapons' inherent weaknesses and boost their strengths. Comparing "default" weapons is just plain idiotic.


"Facepalm" The piercing mod on the Harrier has NO DRAWBACKS. The scope does. 

Plus typing in capital letters has NOTHING to do with being mad. I'm just stressing my points. 

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Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

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Argus target switching isn't really that bad when you DON'T HAVE A SCOPE ON IT. Meaning DEFAULT weapon. But it's almost MANDATORY for Argus to WORK. And scope ADDS time. And Saber doesn't need it. 


My test with the Argus was done without the scope, and using console with the auto-aim madness. There wasn't a spread issue, and I performed better than I usually do. It's especially noteworthy I hadn't used the weapon in months, and then only to finish its challenge.

I would actually say a scope on the Argus would be a detrimen to the process. At least, for me, it would be, by adding to the aiming time.

 

You could be just getting better as a player. Perfomed better than you usually do? Compared to what? Saber? Harrier? Or SS'ing Shadow? What are we comparing? Strict weapon usage on the same character or different kit? Power usage character or weapons kit? Details pls. 

Just doing better than usuall doesn't say much. :)

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 04:03

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Aedolon wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

Argus target switching isn't really that bad when you DON'T HAVE A SCOPE ON IT. Meaning DEFAULT weapon. But it's almost MANDATORY for Argus to WORK. And scope ADDS time. And SAber doesn't need it. 

Are we clear? 


My, my. You're getting mad now?

Who cares how "default" weapons perform. No one uses them. Most weapons suck by default. Harrier can't penetrate f***ing Guardian shields without slapping a piercing mod or AP ammo on it, how ridiculous is that!? Obviously that's because Harrier just sucks as a weapon, right?

You're being silly, as usual. Weapon mods exist so we can use them to overcome weapons' inherent weaknesses and boost their strengths. Comparing "default" weapons is just plain idiotic.


No, not really.   For some guns mods are a 100% must to operate effectively, others not as much.  All being equal a person would like to use damage and piercing mods to enhance a weapon and use their ammo mods to further enhance the weapon and class powers.  If the weapon requires mods to stabilize it then you are not adding piercing or damage mods for the weapon so instead of using the incendairy ammo you would like to use you may have to use piercing. 

Any weapon, modded or not will wreck in this game if the better players are using it.  This leads to a false feeling that all guns are great when comparing them.  You can make a post about any gun in this game and call it garbage or even not good and you will get 10 people showing you why it is great and posting vids of them wrecking with it.  It simply does not make all guns equally good and that is the crux of this argument.  (Or it was before things went off on multiple tangents.)

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 04:14

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IQ and AQ keep on plummeting....

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DHKany wrote...

IQ and AQ keep on plummeting....

 

Oh look a WILD Kany appears, who doesn't know what the discussion is about, just to post some insults. 

Great job. Continue in your fluent troll.  

P.S.My plummeting IQ is still much higher than yours. It could go all the way to 0 and still be higher, 

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 04:17

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I believe the implication is that your IQ has already hit bottom.

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prostheticlimbs wrote...

I believe the implication is that your IQ has already hit bottom.

 

Keep throwing insults. But you have nothing to back up the actual discussion. 

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Posté 25 septembre 2013 - 04:20

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Lol this thread.
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