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[LemurFromTheId]

Beerfish wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Weapon mods exist so we can use them to overcome weapons' inherent weaknesses and boost their strengths. Comparing "default" weapons is just plain idiotic.

No, not really.   For some guns mods are a 100% must to operate effectively, others not as much.  All being equal aperson would like to use damage and piercing mods to enhance a weapon and use their ammo mods to further enhance the weapon and class powers. If the weapon requires mods to stabilize it then you are not adding piercing or damage mods for the weapon so instead of using the incendairy ammo you would like to use you may have to use piercing. 

In other words, comparing "default" weapons is just plain idiotic. Why are you disagreeing with me again?

Beerfish wrote...

Any weapon, modded or not will wreck in this game if the better players are using it.  This leads to a false feeling that all guns are great when comparing them.  You can make a post about any gun in this game and call it garbage or even not good and you will get 10 people showing you why it is great and posting vids of them wrecking with it.  It simply does not make all guns equally good and that is the crux of this argument.  (Or it was before things went off on multiple tangents.)

I must have missed something. Has someone been saying that all weapons are equally good?

Modifié par Aedolon, 25 septembre 2013 - 04:25 .

[capn233]

Element 0 wrote...

You need it for maximum accuracy which is needed for Argus to really work.

I don't run the scope on the Argus.  Accuracy isn't that big a deal.  Inaccuracy on the Saber when moving or near max ROF is a bigger issue than the accuracy on the Argus.  Especially since you only need to land 2 of 3 of the burst to make a headshot kill.

And when stuff comes in your face to melee you - the scope is a hindrance. And hipfiring is again not a perfect solution. The scope helps it, but it also has more tunnel vision and so on.

That's nice, but I already said you don't need it, so I don't give a damn.

Plus Argus needs more tests in real games with full teams on different maps, when there's screenshake and also vs different enemies, such as Reapers.

I honestly couldn't care less about what videos are out there on any weapons, including the ones in this thread.  No offense to the people that made them, but I draw my own conclusions about them.

Only then you can draw conclusions about something.

Yeah... I have actually used the Argus in game, so I didn't need a thread to tell me that it might work.

Modifié par capn233, 25 septembre 2013 - 04:26 .

[Creator Limbs]

Element 0 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I believe the implication is that your IQ has already hit bottom.

 

Keep throwing insults. But you have nothing to back up the actual discussion. 

I'm not insulting you. I was just trying to make Kany's point clearer. Quit thinking everyone is attacking you.

[Creator Limbs]

Element 0 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

Element 0 wrote...

prostheticlimbs wrote...

I believe the implication is that your IQ has already hit bottom.

 

Keep throwing insults. But you have nothing to back up the actual discussion. 

I'm not insulting you. I was just trying to make Kany's point clearer. Quit thinking everyone is attacking you.

 

Your post makes no sense. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Element 0 wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Element 0 wrote...
Argus target switching isn't really that bad when you DON'T HAVE A SCOPE ON IT. Meaning DEFAULT weapon. But it's almost MANDATORY for Argus to WORK. And scope ADDS time. And Saber doesn't need it. 

My test with the Argus was done without the scope, and using console with the auto-aim madness. There wasn't a spread issue, and I performed better than I usually do. It's especially noteworthy I hadn't used the weapon in months, and then only to finish its challenge.

I would actually say a scope on the Argus would be a detrimen to the process. At least, for me, it would be, by adding to the aiming time.

 

You could be just getting better as a player. Perfomed better than you usually do? Compared to what? Saber? Harrier? Or SS'ing Shadow? What are we comparing? Strict weapon usage on the same character or different kit? Power usage character or weapons kit? Details pls. 

Just doing better than usuall doesn't say much. 

I elaborated in a couple of previous posts, but basically, I used my Cabal, to stack stability bonuses.

I hosted, to minimize the chance that the stability bonuses would bug out. The character is melee-specc'd, but with weapon passives, as well. I combined it with Sability III and Recoil V on the Argus, but no scope.

It was Reapers London, and it was a pretty bad game, all around. Nothing unusual for a London PuG, in my experience, but I was synch-killed on three different waves, and particularly struggled after Wave 6. The match ended up taking 30 minutes.

My personal performance, however, was actually surprising me. My accuracy with the gun wasn't great, but it was more than enough to top-score and then some. I scored more and higher medals than I usually would. Most importantly, I quickly felt comfortable with the gun, and my aim improved after I learned to stop over-compensating for recoil that wasn't there.

I only managed a 10 headshot medal, but that is actually good for me with an AR (usually the Sabre is the only AR with which I will get a 10-headshot medal.)

I was testing it out to see if, in my hands, it was a powerful, effective weapon with stacked stability. I would very confidently say that, with stacked stability, my Argus IX on my PS3 manifest is one of my most powerful guns. On Xbox, it would probably be surpassed, because I have the Sabre at X and Harrier at IV, but on PS3 I do not have an AR that compares to it, except perhaps my Harrier II.

But I scored higher in my London Argus PuG than I ever have with my Harrier II, so it's possible that the Argus actually does exceed it in effectiveness (at least, for now.) Fundamentally, I found it an easy, accurate gun to use under those circumstances. I will use it that way again in the future.

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 25 septembre 2013 - 04:34 .

[Tonymac]

Can it be done? Sure. But why? What makes it so special that you want to solo with it?

Personally, I despise the Argus.

[The-Fantasm]

You just can't fix stupid.

[Stanry Roo]

This thread isn't even entertaining anymore...

[Creator Limbs]

FINALLY. Now I can share my opinion: I hate the Argus. I acknowledge that in the right hands, it can be beastly, but I hate it.

I also hate the Saber.

[cowwy]

cato_84 wrote...

cowwy wrote...

I have a video uploading now showing the exact same thing but without any modifications to the game minus my FoV and split up spacebar. It shows that the spawns he was getting are legitimate, wave 1 I had most of the wave funneling down lab until I overextended and made them come through LZ. My aim was a lot less pretty and I stopped during wave 6 because I got bored and annoyed.

Being 6 ops packs and 5 gels down at that point couldn't have helped either

Still, kudos to you. Someone finally made a comparison video, though I somehow doubt it will have the desired effect.

You're right, it didn't help but just about all of the annoyance I had was with my own play, specifically completely wasting 2 ops packs and even a gel or two because I screwed up a couple reload cancels.

[Beerfish]

Aedolon wrote...


I must have missed something. Has someone been saying that all weapons are equally good?

In effect yes 100% in an indirect manner.  Pick a weapon, start a topic and say that weapon is not a good weapon and you will get a ponderous thread full of people telling you to l2p and that you are a fool for making such a statement and posting videos showing them soloing plat and racking up 250,000 points.  Do the same thing saying such and such a weapon is better than most others and you will get the same result.  This forum is filled great players that can make anything work well and have different preferences.

Even in the Bio telemetry data that shows usage of guns people on here can't believe that such and such a weapon is included or is not included.

[DHKany]

Element 0 wrote...

DHKany wrote...

IQ and AQ keep on plummeting....

 

Oh look a WILD Kany appears, who doesn't know what the discussion is about, just to post some insults. 

Great job. Continue in your fluent troll.  

P.S.My plummeting IQ is still much higher than yours. It could go all the way to 0 and still be higher, 

with some of the posts you've made it doesn't seem like you know what its about either. Not to mention that your posts are pretty downright flame bait/immad.

also, ironic how you berate my personal insults and then proceed to make one yourself within three lines. Hypocrisy is frowned upon.

[capn233]

Internet has ruined civilized society.

[Creator Limbs]

capn233 wrote...

Internet has ruined civilized society.

I very much agree. People consistently read comments in the worst way possible and/or are ruder than necessary to get their point across. What ever happened to the buffer of being able to think things through before responding? What happened to the idea of ignoring someone that irritates you?

[MaxShine]

Regarding the original topic... The Argus still performs quite well when you take off the scope and the Barrage Upgrade. With the Barrage Upgrade and Stability mod the recoil is eliminated without the Barrage Upgrade there is just a little bit of recoil.

The scope I found to be not very helpful especially vs Cerberus Glacier. It is like I zoom in kill a few troopers, nemesis... Then I zoom out and next to me I see a psycho lashing a yellow whip and a very unfriendly lady with a sword. It takes away too much of your peripheral vision. On this map on maps that are a little bit bigger it would be nice to have because the scope will give you laser like accuracy even at long range.

Modifié par MaxShine, 25 septembre 2013 - 05:35 .

[sobit]

just tried it. too much spread on kits without bonuses for consistent headshots and the aiming speed is so abominably slow with a scope that I stopped. i guess masterrace prevails again.

[DragonRacer]

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MaxShine wrote...

Regarding the original topic... The Argus still performs quite well when you take off the scope and the Barrage Upgrade. With the Barrage Upgrade and Stability mod the recoil is eliminated without the Barrage Upgrade there is just a little bit of recoil.

The scope I found to be not very helpful especially vs Cerberus Glacier. It is like I zoom in kill a few troopers, nemesis... Then I zoom out and next to me I see a psycho lashing a yellow whip and a very unfriendly lady with a sword. It takes away too much of your peripheral vision. On this map on maps that are a little bit bigger it would be nice to have because the scope will give you laser like accuracy even at long range.

Try out Geth scanner. To me the whole thing about Annomanders vid comes down to how good wallhack is on this confined map and especially Cerberus.
I gave the argus a try without any wallhacking gear and found it was mediocre. Since Argus (and probably Saber) among ARs have a decent damage per shot, they still have enough damage when piercing cover to kill mooks in reasonable time.

[Deerber]

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[Creator Limbs]

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[DullahansXMark]

DragonRacer wrote...

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