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[NKKKK]

whats the point in discussing? Bioware said "lol no female turians for you!

[Cheita_Corps]

I thought it was a technical issue with them not showing alot of female aliens. Lack of memory or something.

[MarginalBeast]

MarginalBeast wrote...

The whole "hurr durr you just can't tell them apart!" excuse is ridiculous. So every krogan, turian, salarian, etc just so HAPPENS to act and sound like a male, even if they are really female? Give me a break, BioWare. If that was the case, then you should have been smart enough to give some of them female voices at the very least.

Quoting myself because people still don't get it.

[Handren]

Cheita_Corps wrote...

I thought it was a technical issue with them not showing alot of female aliens. Lack of memory or something.

That was true for ME1, but In ME2 hopefully it is solved, especially since all the species have already been designed.

[Raptr569]

Well as far as I was aware a lot of the lack of females was purely time constraints however I've seen nothing of females in ME2 so I suspect it was a case of nobody cared last time so why should we second time around?



However... we are going to Tuchanka and I expect to see female Krogans there.



We should Defernetely see female Turians this time round Bioware blamed this on time constraints last time but this time they have no excuse.



Hanar kinda could be hemaphridites but all male sounding? Or there is no real difference.



Volus I suppose it could be explained by the fact they are wearing suites so you cant actully see that some are male and some are female.



Elcor could defernetely all be alike seeing as they are such a subtle species anyway.



Salarians it make perfect sense why we see none because they are 11% of the populatioin (or something like that) and they stay on their homeworld.



With Mass Effect 2 we should also expect some other species too



Female Drell? Female Vorschas? Even scariers female collectors?!

[Lightice_av]

Hanar kinda could be hemaphridites but all male sounding? Or there is no real difference.

It's a translator machine. They communicate with each other by bioluminence. They don't "sound" like anything.

[LucidStrike]

It's confusing when people use gender as a synonym for sex. Gender is just a social construction, people.

[daytona123]

I would like to see "male" asari, and before you guys say anything, I know they have 1 sex and can "mate" with any sentient species but the whole topic about suze/jack maybe being Intersexual got me thinking what would happen if too many of the genetic traits of the "father" are passed on maybe the child would end up having more of that species physical attributes, it would be cool to see an actual crossbreed.

Modifié par daytona123, 20 janvier 2010 - 12:15 .

[LucidStrike]

daytona123 wrote...

I would like to see "male" asari, and before you guys say anything, I know they have 1 sex and can "mate" with any sentient species but the whole topic about suze/jack maybe being Intersexual got me thinking what would happen if too many of the genetic traits of the "father" are passed on maybe the child would end up having more of that species physical attributes, it would be cool to see an actual crossbreed.

The Jack as transsexual thing started because people's minds were rattled by the concept of names not being attached to genitalia, not because of any rational deduction.

I think the concept of "male" Asari is stupid.

[LucidStrike]

MarginalBeast wrote...

MarginalBeast wrote...

The whole "hurr durr you just can't tell them apart!" excuse is ridiculous. So every krogan, turian, salarian, etc just so HAPPENS to act and sound like a male, even if they are really female? Give me a break, BioWare. If that was the case, then you should have been smart enough to give some of them female voices at the very least.

Quoting myself because people still don't get it.

You're projecting the physiological differences of our species onto others species. Big no no.

[LucidStrike]

Celrath wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...



I think the concept of "male" Asari is stupid.

Why, people surgically change gander on earth.  

They change SEX surgically, not gender. I'm not criticizing transsexuals or queers at all, anyway. I'm criticizing the need of some to see human characteristics superimposed onto other species, especially if those characteristics are only social constructs.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 20 janvier 2010 - 01:23 .

[daytona123]

LucidStrike wrote...

daytona123 wrote...

I would like to see "male" asari, and before you guys say anything, I know they have 1 sex and can "mate" with any sentient species but the whole topic about suze/jack maybe being Intersexual got me thinking what would happen if too many of the genetic traits of the "father" are passed on maybe the child would end up having more of that species physical attributes, it would be cool to see an actual crossbreed.

The Jack as transsexual thing started because people's minds were rattled by the concept of names not being attached to genitalia, not because of any rational deduction.

I think the concept of "male" Asari is stupid.

I only used the term male to deviate from the norm of calling asari female, and as most hybrids tend to be sterile these would probally not beable to give birth(but still "father" children with other asari).  Its completely illogical to think that all asari turn out "normal".  And besides it states that they perfer mating with non-asari for the genetic-traits gained where there doesn't seem to be any actual benifits as the purebloods don't seem to be inferior, maybe there is something they aren't telling all the other species.....

As for the Jack transexual thing, I didn't state that the thread was from some rational deduction, it just got me thinking of genetic aberants in other species and as for my whole opinion the topic I stated it was likely a reference to Jack in  the Pitch Black series.

[Hyper Cutter]

Would the Salarians even be physically dimorphic? They're "amphibians", iirc, maybe the only external difference between the sexes is their color pattern.



I'm kind of reminded of the Hork-Bajir from Animorphs. The only external difference between the sexes is that males have one more facial horn than females, all other differences are implied to be both less obvious and much more private (the individual relating this insists these are only for their own kind to know).

[LucidStrike]

daytona123 wrote...

I only used the term male to deviate from the norm of calling asari female, and as most hybrids tend to be sterile these would probally not beable to give birth(but still "father" children with other asari).  Its completely illogical to think that all asari turn out "normal".  And besides it states that they perfer mating with non-asari for the genetic-traits gained where there doesn't seem to be any actual benifits as the purebloods don't seem to be inferior, maybe there is something they aren't telling all the other species.....

As for the Jack transexual thing, I didn't state that the thread was from some rational deduction, it just got me thinking of genetic aberants in other species and as for my whole opinion the topic I stated it was likely a reference to Jack in  the Pitch Black series.

It wouldn't be illogical. A more appropriate word would be 'presumptuous', which also happens to describe certain premises necessary for your supposition.

What do you mean by "hybrid"? Apparently, it's normal for Asari to reproduce with other species, making them 'hybrids' in a sense, perhaps as "hybrid" as Asari can possibly get. How many interspecies human hybrids are there in the world?

My issue with what you're saying is just how speculative and complicated it is. It seems to necessitate that the Asari have been lying about their reproductive process or don't truly understand it, which are both far-fetch'd speculations, to say the least. It also requires further complication of what we know of the Asari mating process, complications I actually can't concieve of. Occam's razor is not being nice to your supposition.

I commented on the Jack thing to express my irritation over that particular meme, not because I assumed you supported it.

If ever anyone sees a "male" Asari, it will almost certainly be mere concept art, probably from a fan, rather than from a developer. It simply clashes with the lore to discordantly.

Modifié par LucidStrike, 20 janvier 2010 - 05:25 .

[ODST 3]

The only dual-gendered species in the galaxy is humanity!

[ODST 3]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

tom.bleaker wrote...

I'm slightly terrified of what a female volus might look like.

Volus are like the dwarves, the females are only myths.

Dwarves simply sprout out of holes in the ground!

[daytona123]

LucidStrike wrote...

It wouldn't be illogical. A more appropriate word would be 'presumptuous', which also happens to describe certain premises necessary for your supposition.

What do you mean by "hybrid"? Apparently, it's normal for Asari to reproduce with other species, making them 'hybrids' in a sense, perhaps as "hybrid" as Asari can possibly get. How many interspecies human hybrids are there in the world?

My issue with what you're saying is just how speculative and complicated it is. It seems to necessitate that the Asari have been lying about their reproductive process or don't truly understand it, which are both far-fetch'd speculations, to say the least. It also requires further complication of what we know of the Asari mating process, complications I actually can't concieve of. Occam's razor is not being nice to your supposition.

I commented on the Jack thing to express my irritation over that particular meme, not because I assumed you supported it.

If ever anyone sees a "male" Asari, it will almost certainly be mere concept art, probably from a fan, rather than from a developer. It simply clashes with the lore to discordantly.

Illogical would be the correct term, as currently science seems to indicate that all species undergo mutations.  It would be presumptous to assume that the asari somehow bypass the laws of science when the develepers tried to make everything else seem scientifically possible.

As for how many interspecies hybrids of humans there are in the world: there have been several with all being made by science(example being placing human genes into a pig embyro so when it reaches adulthood the organs can be transplanted into a human with a lower rejection rate.) And with that: I agree that you could be right and that asari "hybrids" could be the max that is created if the transfer of genetic material from the "father" is less than 50% which would likely need to be far lower than even 10%.

As for you saying they would need to be lying or simply not understand their reproductive process is simply not true, All cultures have taboos and that might be one of them. As for complicating the Asari mating process it does no such thing but it would complicate the game universe and i guess if you wanted to explain it all away you could just say because how adavanced their tech is they "fix" flawed embyros like that human male wanted his sister-in-law to do in that one quest in ME. (which already introduces the concept of genetic flaws into the universe so it doesn't really complicate it much more in that sense either.)

As for clashing with the Lore it does no such thing as this game doesn't go into that much detail about the ME universe and we did'nt even see the asari homeworld(which we get to see in ME2).  The Lore we learn about is from a codex that has several innacuraces that we eventually discover in game. Unless a book was writen on asari biology and reproduction there is no possible way to know for sure if the idea contraditcs anything at all.

With all that said, you could have just you didn't like the idea and i wouldn't have had to type all that stuff out.

[Master Smurf]

The only reason for us not seeing them (the acceptable fems) is technical - All of the excuses for us not seeing them are just that - We can have some that are genderless but if it is setup that many of them do have male and female then why not show us.



And really - what would be wrong with a "male" Asari - maybe "he" just has a rebel nature or is an anomaly - could easily look similar to the commandos or Thorian avatar - if not male then like an effeminate male - whats up with the big curve Asaris

[Oldskoolepitaph]

well... since everyone is talking about sexual dimorphism here...

i think bioware might have problem making certain alien species familiarly female for many people

(mammary glands in this case).



we saw that Quarians evolved convergent to humans and developed breasts and a similar physique to what we humans perceive as "female" as seen with Tali.

Even more so with the theory of convergent evolution in the way Batarians and Asari have basically the same bodies as humans do, minus their heads of course, even having five digits on their hands (am also assuming they have five digits on their feet as well).



Now the problem with character designing female Krogan, Salarian, Drell, Turian,etc. Is that they aren't a mammalian species (best to my knowledge) and sexual dimorphism may also be a huge possibility of being non-existent in familiar human terms, meaning "putting boobs" on an avian-reptilian species like the Turians with their females won't make much sense in a science driven game like Mass Effect unless they have a good explanation like they always do...



But, I also hope to see some distinctively familiar traits if Bioware decides to create female versions of all the aliens we love... I just hope they turn out with something and they end up being "sexy" or beautiful characters in a way we don't really expect in a way someone like Tali'Zorah did.

[karabekian77]

There was a dead mother Krogan on Tuchanka. Mordin refers to her with the pronouns "her" and "she". She died testing a cure for the genophage, if I remember correctly.



There's your female Krogan.

[tthammy]

Juancor wrote...

I think it'd be hilarious and ironic if the female krogans looked like some sort of beautiful Goddess from a fairy tale.

it would be funny if they look like female quarrian XD or yellow or brown or green asari or soemthing lol. or lady of the forest of DA