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[Kidd]

The inquisitor will probably run into a Qunari or two. When they do so, I imagine they may be able to express several different views about the Qun. Human, elf or dwarf, it doesn't really matter - they should all share dialogue options.

The Qunari PC could also potentially share the same dialogue options. But that would almost require the Qunari PC to be born outside of the Qun, would it not? After all, a Vashoth has actively left the Qun and will thus likely not have many good things to say about it. I can see BioWare giving the Qunisitor unique dialogue options in that event.

That's why I think it is important that the game telegraphs to the player what the Qunari PC's relation to the Qun is during character creation. If we've left it (and thus are likely to have unique dialogue), then we need to know that so we don't get a surprise if we believe we were born outside of the Qun or vice versa. 

Am I overthinking this, underthinking this, or what do you think? Do you agree, disagree?

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 24 septembre 2013 - 12:31 .

[Jonathan Seagull]

I assume the game will tell us early on, if not in character creation, what our status as far as things like that go. Though we don't know how much of a background any particular character will have, so I guess it's hard to say.

I am guessing that the Qunari Inquisitor will have been born outside the Qun, rather than being something like a Tal Vashoth. I tend to think they would react...poorly to the latter, whereas they might tolerate the former in the same way they tolerate non-Qunari humans, elves, and dwarves. Although I suppose that could be one of those places where your race has a big effect (a Qunari Inquisitor having a harder time interacting with and getting things from the Qunari).

[Eterna]

Bioware has already said that the Qunari PC's will be Tal-Vashoth.

[Versus Omnibus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware has already said that the Qunari PC's will be Tal-Vashoth.

Not that I don't believe you, but link please.

[Eterna]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Bioware has already said that the Qunari PC's will be Tal-Vashoth.

Not that I don't believe you, but link please.

Oh jeeeeezus that is going to be hard to find. But I'll try. I think it was said during pax or whenever the info dump was given. 

[DadeLeviathan]

The Qunari PC could have been sent by the Arishok to 'answer a question,' similar to Sten in DAO. It's entirely possible that the Qunari PC (if male, at least) is part of the Beresaad, and has been sent because the Arishok is concerned about the situation. Similarly, the Qunari PC could be part of the Ben-Hassrath (which would allow the PC to be either female or male).

My personal guess is that the Qunari PC is either Tal Vashoth, or part of the Ben-Hassrath (being able to choose which would be amazing). Having two separate origins for males and females might get confusing, or put a strain on the writing budget. I also think that being part of the Ben-Hassrath would offer more interesting RP within the game, compared to being part of the Beresaad,

[Navasha]

The Qunari PC will not be a follower of the Qun. They would practically have to write special dialog for 90% of the game just for that race. The developers have said they will be a non-practicing Qunari. Whether that means we were once a member and finally woke up and escaped, or whether that means we were simply born away from the Qun altogether, we will have to wait and see.

[Clockwork_Wings]

i feel like being allowed to be a racial qunari but not a cultural one is like in DAO if when we picked dwarf noble, we were sent to the human noble origin with an added line about being adopted. It's probably simpler to write for, but it's also such a terrible waste.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Ben-Hassrath were a little more lenient with interpretation of their orders. "Tallis" means "to solve," so it wouldn't be a stretch for the ariqun to go, "You know...those veil tears are a problem....go solve it."

[Either.Ardrey]

If the Qunari PC was a part of the Qun, it would be the most boring, limiting experience ever, because you'd have basically no choice or input in dialogue sequences. There would only be the demands of the Qun. This is pretty much why I'm sure it's going to be a Qunari raised outside the Qun, even if that hasn't been confirmed yet from Bioware, though I'm pretty sure it has been confirmed already, as Eterna5 pointed out. The Qun is something better experienced as an outsider, because as humans, we have no frame of reference for it.

[sandalisthemaker]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

The Qunari PC could also potentially share the same dialogue options. But that would almost require the Qunari PC to be born outside of the Qun, would it not?

Yep. As they should be.

After all, a Vashoth has actively left the Qun and will thus likely not have many good things to say about it.

There's nothing  good to say about the Qun anyway.
Hopefully the "Qunari", and indeed every race of Inquisitor, can publically denounce the Qun and perhaps even take measures to actively thwart it.

Modifié par sandalisthemaker, 24 septembre 2013 - 02:29 .

[Heimdall]

I believe it's been mentioned by devs that the volume of changes they would have to make just for the Qunari protagonist would so far dwarf the other race options as not to be worth it. That's just my memory though.

Besides, we can play a Mage and our character has a surname. The former would require us to be chained up and possibly have our tongues cut out. The later does not exist in Qunari society.

Ergo, born Tal Vashoth.

[Jonathan Seagull]

Either.Ardrey wrote...

If the Qunari PC was a part of the Qun, it would be the most boring, limiting experience ever, because you'd have basically no choice or input in dialogue sequences. There would only be the demands of the Qun. This is pretty much why I'm sure it's going to be a Qunari raised outside the Qun, even if that hasn't been confirmed yet from Bioware, though I'm pretty sure it has been confirmed already, as Eterna5 pointed out. The Qun is something better experienced as an outsider, because as humans, we have no frame of reference for it.

Lord Aesir wrote...
(snip)
Ergo, born Tal Vashoth.

Unless I've misunderstood the lore, being a Tal Vashoth is not the same thing as being born outside the Qun.  I'm actually not sure how much a Qunari born outside of Qun society has been discussed at all.  A Tal Vashoth, however, is a former follower of the Qun who has chosen to leave and abandon the Qun.  This is why I assume a Qunari born outside the Qun would be reacted to differently (with less aggression).

With that distinction in mind (again unless I've misunderstood and there actually isn't one), Eterna, I don't think that they confirmed the player would be Tal Vashoth.  Only that they would not be a follower of the Qun.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 24 septembre 2013 - 03:42 .

[Nefla]

I hope we're not defaulted to Tal'Vashoth, I wanted to be born outside the Qun

[Thomas Andresen]

I'm actually not sure how much a Qunari born outside of Qun society has been discussed at all.

I am quite sure it hasn't, actually.

A Tal Vashoth, however, is a former follower of the Qun who has chosen to leave and abandon the Qun.

They are also violently rebelling against the Qun. That is indeed the description we have available at the time. Though the only source of that is the writings of Brother Genetivi whom, as I believe Mike Laidlaw have pointed out in an interview, is highly biased.

In fact, most of what we "know" about the Qun and the Qunari are from the writings of Chantry scholars. I would take all of it with a truckload of salt.

[Vit246]

One of the reasons I want a Tal-Vashoth, and not a Qunari born outside of the Qun, is to possess knowledge of the Qunari ways and language.

Modifié par Vit246, 24 septembre 2013 - 03:44 .

[Thomas Andresen]

One of the reasons I want a Tal-Vashoth, and not a Qunari born outside of the Qun, is to possess knowledge of the Qunari ways and language.

And how would you have the game handle that? None of us, the players, really know anything of substance about the Qun and the Qunari.

[Clockwork_Wings]

I've also wondered if it would be possible to play a kossith. Either from a rebel faction that never converted, or a second- or third-generation tal'vashoth's relatives liked the old ways better.

Me, I'm disappointed that we probably won't be playing a cultural qunari. It seems like a wasted opportunity.

[Nightwriter]

I think the act of informing new players about lore through hearing the player character recite the lore is in general underutilized.

[Thomas Andresen]

I've also wondered if it would be possible to play a kossith.

Me: "You do not even know what that would entail."
You: "No, but it would be interesting to find out."
Me: "Fair enough."

As have been stated else were, several times over, aside from maybe a few high-ranking priests, not one follower of the Qun even know that "kossith" is a word. There haven't been a single Kossith since the beginning of the First Blight. That's, what, a thousand, fifteen hundred years? That's far too many generations for anyone at all to be grousing about "the old ways."

Me, I'm disappointed that we probably won't be playing a cultural qunari. It seems like a wasted opportunity.

Really? If you're talking about Tal-Vashoth, maybe. But playing as a follower of the Qun, you might as well be playing Tomb Raider as far as player agency goes. You might have some choice in the how, depending on your role, but not in the what. And playing as a mage? Not even in your dreams.

[Twofold Black]

Clockwork_Wings wrote...

i feel like being allowed to be a racial qunari but not a cultural one is like in DAO if when we picked dwarf noble, we were sent to the human noble origin with an added line about being adopted. It's probably simpler to write for, but it's also such a terrible waste.

Not really. It's possible that the qunari Inquisitor will just be cosmetically qunari, but this is a worst case scenario and it's a bit early to assume it's what we'll get. There's a lot of interesting material to be mined out of a protagonist who looks qunari but is culturally Fereldan or whatever (and even this is totally hypothetical) dealing with the assumptions of people who assume he or she is a practicing Qunari and the radically different repercussions this can have when the people assuming that are human nobility, Tal-Vashoth, actual practicing Qunari, etc.

[Laughing_Man]

Personally, I think that the abillity to choose non-human for the role of the inquisitor, makes very little sense considering what we know on DA lore.
Choosing a non-human to play the self-made-man in DA2 would have been more plausible.

[Wulfram]

DA:O gave you little text summary when picking your character's origin. Hopefully DAI will do the same.

[Kidd]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

There's nothing  good to say about the Qun anyway.
Hopefully the "Qunari", and indeed every race of Inquisitor, can publically denounce the Qun and perhaps even take measures to actively thwart it.

Oh I know you feel that way. =) Whereas I feel the Qun in many ways is a utopian society. In other ways, it is the most terrible one. That's why I want to play different characters that have lots of different views on the Qun.

And I fear if we're to play a Tal-Vashoth, then we won't really have a chance to ever be appreciative of the Qun. It'd make no sense, after all. But we could also have another kind of interaction as well, that would be unique only to Qunquisitors.

Jonathan Seagull wrote...

Unless I've misunderstood the lore, being a Tal Vashoth is not the same thing as being born outside the Qun.  I'm actually not sure how much a Qunari born outside of Qun society has been discussed at all.

Hasn't been mentioned at all, and I'm pretty sure I've not missed anything.

Jonathan Seagull wrote...

A Tal Vashoth, however, is a former follower of the Qun who has chosen to leave and abandon the Qun.  This is why I assume a Qunari born outside the Qun would be reacted to differently (with less aggression).

Indeed, a Qunari outside of Qun society would be bas. Bas with a twist, but still bas. They're not a walking insult.

Thomas Andresen wrote...

One of the reasons I want a Tal-Vashoth, and not a Qunari born outside of the Qun, is to possess knowledge of the Qunari ways and language.

And how would you have the game handle that? None of us, the players, really know anything of substance about the Qun and the Qunari.

Have the Qunquisitor say something short in Qunlat, then the NPC will answer in a similar matter. After that, the voice over can switch to English again so that the player will understand. The original exchange needs to be short and simple so that it's understandable even if it's in an alien language, or perhaps simply to not annoy you when virtual heads are speaking gibberish.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 24 septembre 2013 - 03:07 .

[Chashan]

TheRedVipress wrote...

Personally, I think that the abillity to choose non-human for the role of the inquisitor, makes very little sense considering what we know on DA lore. 
Choosing a non-human to play the self-made-man in DA2 would have been more plausible.

While return of race-selection is welcome, there is that indeed: just how in-depth said selection will be in the finished game.

If it indeed is primarily cosmetic across the board, and for oxmen/-women in particular, the question would have to be asked why that should be bothered with. Ultimately, only the final product can show how well it is handled, so still some time to go.

Thomas Andresen wrote...

Really? If you're talking about Tal-Vashoth, maybe. But playing as a follower of the Qun, you might as well be playing Tomb Raider as far as player agency goes. You might have some choice in the how, depending on your role, but not in the what. And playing as a mage? Not even in your dreams.

Were dwarves, coming from a more rigidly organized society than most, which is quite a feat for DA's setting oh-so limited in their agenda? Were traditionalist Dalish?

It is entirely possible to 'divorce' mage to a separate 'background', as shown in DA:O's apprentice-origin.

And as you said yourself, we only got impressions by biased outsiders to go by as far as workings of the Qun-philosophy are concerned.

It'll all depend on how 'backgrounds' as a whole are handled in the game as mentioned above, but BW got an opportunity to take more than one approach with oxmen/-women in particular, which I hope they'll take. Even a non-comitted 'amnesiac'/orphan-background could be made to work there, even if it's not the most original of approaches to the PC.

Nightwriter wrote...

I think the act of informing new players about lore through hearing the player character recite the lore is in general underutilized.

I'd like to see that again as well.

[Wulfram]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Oh I know you feel that way. =) Whereas I feel the Qun in many ways is a utopian society. In other ways, it is the most terrible one. That's why I want to play different characters that have lots of different views on the Qun.

And I fear if we're to play a Tal-Vashoth, then we won't really have a chance to ever be appreciative of the Qun. It'd make no sense, after all. But we could also have another kind of interaction as well, that would be unique only to Qunquisitors.

You could have a Tal-Vashoth who greatly misses the Qun but because of [circumstance] felt they needed to reject his/her role.  Maybe they were a farmer then they got zapped by a veil tear and now they're the only people who can save the world from the veil tears, so they must abandon the Qun to save it.

There could be more of an air of wistful regret at leaving rather than distaste.