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Jewlie Ghoulie wrote...

maliluka wrote...

I am seriously torn on the whole Cullen issue. I don't dislike Cullen I see his appeal, but if I had my choice I would like to see and meet new characters

I don't dislike Cullen either. He's just THERE for me. I don't feel the hate he gets, nor do I feel the ammount of praise he gets. But, as far as the L.I thing goes, I wouldn't want him to be an option, but as I just stated, I'm not caring all that much . I just want a good game : P


Cullen gets some hate simply because he has a large and vocal fanbase. Its kind of like physics, for every action there must be an equal and opposite reaction. The more one group of fans professes its fandom for one character, the more some other people can't wait to post how much they hate said character.

As for me, I don't care one way or the other. I won't mind if he ends up a companion and won't mind if doesn't. His relatively small role in the previous two games wasn't enough for me to form strong opinions on the character.

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Not interested in Varric or Cullen as an Li.
Ok if others do.How old is Viv suppose to be anyway.
Not as old as Wynne was certainty .
Of course as an old guy I wanted Wynne as an Li and was disappointed that she wasn't .
Since Wynne did say she had had younger men in her bed, when we revisited Ostagar, it should have been ok but it must have offended Gaider's sensibilities .
In this day of "cougars " why not ?
rotfl. So Viv might not be too old, unless Bioware says she is.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

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Cullen, though not confirmed as a party member yet, seems a sure thing and will certainly be a LI if included.


How BioWare Fans Set Themselves Up for Disappointment: A Case Study


that's gold

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Out of genuine interest, why not, as the companion is announced, just confirm the romance or lack of romance? Surely that would prevent at least some of the disappointment.

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I think some people get so invested that any announcement is likely to provoke anger if it doesn't go their way. Best to just let them find out when the game is released.

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Elfman wrote...

Out of genuine interest, why not, as the companion is announced, just confirm the romance or lack of romance? Surely that would prevent at least some of the disappointment.


Are you kidding?
Gaider is probably sitting at his computer going all:

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Just watching the sheer rage and confusion as the forums tear themselves into pieces trying to find out the truth.
Not that I begrudge him doing that really...I would do it to.:devil:

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Han Shot First wrote...

I think some people get so invested that any announcement is likely to provoke anger if it doesn't go their way. Best to just let them find out when the game is released.


Isn't that how they've always done it?
I can't seem to recall "romanceable" being on the companion profiles when they released them for DA2.
Either way, I suspect that the most popular partymembers will be revealed shortly before the game goes live - to make the hype levels spike and rack in those pre-orders.

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The guy theorizing that Viv is Duncan 's daughter, brings it to a whole new level if that is true.

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Meh, sh!t happens.

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I think some people get so invested that any announcement is likely to provoke anger if it doesn't go their way. Best to just let them find out when the game is released.


Isn't that how they've always done it?
I can't seem to recall "romanceable" being on the companion profiles when they released them for DA2.
Either way, I suspect that the most popular partymembers will be revealed shortly before the game goes live - to make the hype levels spike and rack in those pre-orders.


The only one I can think of as sort of being confirmed before release is Isabela, since she kisses Hawke in one of the cinematic trailers. But I suspect that scene was in the trailer because it added drama, not because they wanted to confirm Isabela as a LI before release.

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Han Shot First wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Tootles FTW wrote...

Cullen, though not confirmed as a party member yet, seems a sure thing and will certainly be a LI if included.


How BioWare Fans Set Themselves Up for Disappointment: A Case Study


A sure thing?

Has Cullen even shown up in any concept art or gameplay videos yet? I was under the impression that he hadn't, which makes me wonder where all this 'sure thing' speculation is coming from. Wishful thinking more like.

The only male who has been identified in the concept art or gameplay videos is Varric. Everyone else - Vivienne, Cassandra, Morrigan, Leliana, and arguably Sera - is female. Obviously, not all the females will be companions, but that's definitely where the attention is focused.

Which kinda makes me rage, but that's just the way it is.<_<

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I'm hoping for some new males to get to know. Cullen's sweet and has the potential for being more than he has been written so far but the evidence is lacking. I'll set my sights on the new companions and hope that Dorian or Iron Bull is something to swoon over. I don't even dare hope for the grey warden dude....

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@ angrywolves - kind of sick of young playthings myself. Maybe they'll give us someone who hasn't only been around the block but can draw us a map?

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PLEASE can we not get Cullen?  He's not interesting!  More importantly, it would shut up the fangirls. :pinched:

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Thank you Magdalena.
Being an old man you still see beauty in older women.
I thought Wynne's lines with Zev were hilarious and I admit I'm amazed and disappointed some players missed out on that because they were biased against Wynne, either because she was " too preachy ", or simply because of her age.
So I hope Viv, if she is older gets better treatment than Wynne did.

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The writers decide which characters get romances based on their opinion of which characters have the most interesting romance arcs, not player "fetishes," as Mr. Gaider likes to call it (I think of it more as "preferences," but tomayto/tomahto, as they say), so I'm certain whatever romances they include, I'm bound to like at least one of them (and by this, I mean "become obsessive about and go into mad fangirl squee mode over"), but if I had my druthers, I'd make one of them an "exotic" and one more "mainstream." They're not going to write niche romances for anybody, so if the character can't love a man/woman/human/elf/dwarf/qunari/mage/templar/squid, that character probably gets ruled out automatically, but just because a character is available doesn't mean they're going to have to be typical. "Exotic" choices are those that are one or more steps away from attractive human young-adult. That includes non-human races, older characters, or those that deviate from conventional standards of beauty in some way. Why not? As long as there's a more typically-desired character available, there's no reason not to offer dwarves, mature men or women, or what have you. Hey, if the Thedosian equivalent of Samwell Tarly were a romance, I'd probably try it at least once (he's intelligent, sensitive, and kind). But I wouldn't make every romance "exotic". Because a lot of players do prefer the predictable.

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DooomCookie wrote...

PLEASE can we not get Cullen?  He's not interesting!  More importantly, it would shut up the fangirls. :pinched:


I want Cullen just to get under your skin now. ^_^

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Since I haven't played the female Mage origin (yet), Cullen has always been one of those characters I don't know much about.
But I can see the appeal in his character (beyond obviously being good looking that is) - I found it rather touching when I saw the link someone posted of him talking about the Amell he once knew, and I can imagine it endeared him all the more to those that actually played that Amell he's talking about.

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Mabari.

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Jack is in Inquisition.

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maliluka wrote...

I am seriously torn on the whole Cullen issue. I don't dislike Cullen I see his appeal, but if I had my choice I would like to see and meet new characters


This is pretty much my view.  Cullen wouldn't be horrible, but I'd prefer to see someone new. 

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" Rolls eyes at niche romance and player fetishes talk"
Bioware has certainly violated that " stuff " in DAI.
Anything ANY fan might remotely want is promised in DAI.
With sympathy to Berinde that they stated that bombast and actually seemed to believe it.
That was such pretentious bravo sierra it was laughable.
Whether it might have been a Wynne romance or will be a Cullen romance is / was up to Gaider.
I'm sure he felt Wynne was too old and it would be inappropriate for her to be involved in a romance with a much younger warden.
Cullen has a small but devoted fanbase so he's in.
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David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
How BioWare Fans Set Themselves Up for Disappointment: A Case Study


Yes. It's not lost on us that, when it ultimately does come out as to who is romanceable and who isn't, there will be people who have built up speculation to the point that those romances all but existed in their minds-- and we'll have taken it away from them like a beloved teddy bear. Yanked it right out of their hands as if a romance had already been written and we deliberately deleted it.

The idea that every character that is so much as glimpsed must provide concrete proof as to why they shouldn't be romanceable is a bit eyeroll-inducing, but such is life in these parts.


For the record, before I say what I am going to say, I have not once posted on BSN who I thought should or should not be romance-able “specifically” so I am not saying this out of being overly defensive about such things. I personally have always just gone by the philosophy "I'm just happy we have the ability to have a F/F romance at all". I also have stated on here before that I highly respect David's opinions on many things.

However, I don't understand why David as the head writer for the DA series needs to come on here and basically make fun of or even insult potential DAI customers. I am not saying that he or anyone else should go out of their way to make DAI a game for "all people" or even to particularly "kiss the customer's arse" so to speak. But why so snarky? People get very emotional about these games because YOU as writers have made it very personal experience for them. That is precisely why so many of us like DA games compared to other mindless "kill, stab, kill, slice, kill" games. But David's above quote seems to me to be at least a passive/aggressive, if not actually direct, way of telling potential customers that they are somehow bad or stupid for being so emotionally invested in a product that has been designed to do that very thing !?!

Let me be clear that I agree that fans get carried away and I understand that the writers/developers at BW must get super tired of people complaining and moaning about things that ultimately does or does not end up happening. And maybe after so many years the writers/devs are maybe a bit too sensitive about it now but it seems to me comments like this just seem so unprofessional and mean spirited in nature. 

I think as moderators and as very influential employees of BW there is an expectation that in a public forum/place a certain degree of professionalism should be upheld. It is unfair in one aspect that as fans most people here do not give you that same courtesy back but as fans it’s really not something expected from them.

Please, please don't take this as me being upset at what Davis said, but just the way he said it. In the past when I worked for a company and had the ability to represent them in the cyber world, I always imagined as I typed (for a public posting) my boss peering over my shoulder. And one cardinal rule is to never post anything that will unnecessarily insult or alienate a potential customer unless you are making a statement that you intentionally do NOT want that type of customer buying your product. (Which I admittedly assume is not the case here.)

I really would like David to address this. Do you not care that you alienate these potential customers? Do you disagree that as the head writer you don’t have a responsibly to at least appear professional in the public forums? Are actually saying you do not want these people to buy the product you are working on? Or is it possible now that as a society we have come to the point where as a business it’s just not important any longer to be nice to customers?

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Gaider is a very mercurial person imo.
Go and read the BSN toxic environment interview .
Might tell you something .
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DooomCookie wrote...

PLEASE can we not get Cullen?  He's not interesting!  More importantly, it would shut up the fangirls. :pinched:


Much as I do not get the Cullen infatuation, I also don't get the rage over the infatuation.  It's not a personal insult that some people want to see him in the game.