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Heck, even when the information on DA:I was minimum there were topics like "We need a Female Qunari -- KOSSITH -- LI!" and "Cullen for LI!" and "Ideal S/S romances?!". And so on.

It's totally cool to like the feature, I can dig that, but when you let it overshadow everything else - the only thing that possibly came close in terms of game features were the class specializations. And then thanks to the usual suspects, most of the plot based topics turn into endless Mage/Templar or Chantry/Dalish/Qunari topics. It's rather tiring.


To be honest that isn't limited to the BSN, nor to Bioware games.
For every major franchise out there you're going to find entire forums full of talk about what romances should happen and similar stuff.
Twilight's whole "Team Edward and Team Jacob" would be one example of it, the anime series "Naruto" also has fan fictions about fans' favorite couples* beyond counting - and that's not even mentioning the obscene amounts of AMV's that people have posted on Youtube about their favorite couples.


* And by "couples" I mean characters that the fans feel should end up together, just like on the BSN they're also not limited to M/F romances.

Modifié par Azaron Nightblade, 27 septembre 2013 - 02:53 .


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DA2 is a nuisance.

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PLEASE can we not get Cullen?  He's not interesting!  More importantly, it would shut up the fangirls. :pinched:


Giving them Cullen would shut them up faster. At the least, we wouldn't have (as much) speculation he'd return as a romancable character ever again. If they keep holding him back, they'll keep asking for him. Every. Single. New. Dragon Age.

Besides, he'd be the perfect LI!

The once idealistic, now tortured Templar who had an unrequited crush on a mage in Kinloch Hold...he was captured by demons and tortured for days unnumbered, almost driven mad before being freed by the Hero of Ferelden! Rehabilitation was tough*, but eventually he was reassigned to Kirkwall with a renewed belief in the dangers mages possessed.

But then! Disaster! After defending the Knight Commander's actions, the young templar witnesses her betray the Templar Order's vows and he stands against her! For Right! 

Now here he is...a witness to the savagery of magic and that even templars can fall from grace...he is a man who has seen both sides, a man who stands on the edge and who doesn't know who can be trusted anymore.

HE IS CULLEN!  CONFLICTED (ex)TEMPLAR LI! And nursing him from his tragic past with lotsa cuddles could be YOUR ROMANCE.

C'mon. After DA:O and DA2 this thing writes itself! ;)

(*especially after he killed all those mages in the epilogue)

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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

DooomCookie wrote...

PLEASE can we not get Cullen?  He's not interesting!  More importantly, it would shut up the fangirls. :pinched:


Giving them Cullen would shut them up faster. At the least, we wouldn't have (as much) speculation he'd return as a romancable character ever again. If they keep holding him back, they'll keep asking for him. Every. Single. New. Dragon Age.

Besides, he'd be the perfect LI!

The once idealistic, now tortured Templar who had an unrequited crush on a mage in Kinloch Hold...he was captured by demons and tortured for days unnumbered, almost driven mad before being freed by the Hero of Ferelden! Rehabilitation was tough*, but eventually he was reassigned to Kirkwall with a renewed belief in the dangers mages possessed.

But then! Disaster! After defending the Knight Commander's actions, the young templar witnesses her betray the Templar Order's vows and he stands against her! For Right! 

Now here he is...a witness to the savagery of magic and that even templars can fall from grace...he is a man who has seen both sides, a man who stands on the edge and who doesn't know who can be trusted anymore.

HE IS CULLEN!  CONFLICTED (ex)TEMPLAR LI! And nursing him from his tragic past with lotsa cuddles could be YOUR ROMANCE.

C'mon. After DA:O and DA2 this thing writes itself! ;)

(*especially after he killed all those mages in the epilogue)


Will he have lines like Revan does in SWTOR? About mastering both sides of the For... err conflict? :lol:

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Will he have lines like Revan does in SWTOR? About mastering both sides of the For... err conflict? :lol:


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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Will he have lines like Revan does in SWTOR? About mastering both sides of the For... err conflict? :lol:


New Specialisation Unlocked: TEMPLAR MAGE ;)


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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Will he have lines like Revan does in SWTOR? About mastering both sides of the For... err conflict? :lol:


New Specialisation Unlocked: TEMPLAR MAGE ;)

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Heck, even when the information on DA:I was minimum there were topics like "We need a Female Qunari -- KOSSITH -- LI!" and "Cullen for LI!" and "Ideal S/S romances?!". And so on. 

It's totally cool to like the feature, I can dig that, but when you let it overshadow everything else - the only thing that possibly came close in terms of game features were the class specializations. And then thanks to the usual suspects, most of the plot based topics turn into endless Mage/Templar or Chantry/Dalish/Qunari topics. It's rather tiring.

 

To be honest that isn't limited to the BSN, nor to Bioware games.

For every major franchise out there you're going to find entire forums full of talk about what romances should happen and similar stuff.

Twilight's whole "Team Edward and Team Jacob" would be one example of it, the anime series "Naruto" also has fan fictions about fans' favorite couples* beyond counting - and that's not even mentioning the obscene amounts of AMV's that people have posted on Youtube about their favorite couples.

And by "couples" I mean characters that the fans feel should end up together, just like on the BSN they're also not limited to M/F romances.


It is one thing to celebrate a given character in a fictional series, or to go to great lengths to imagine two of these characters involved in a non-canonical romance. Definitely not my cup of tea, but I can at least see the merit in that.

But the BSN says "strangers we haven't even seen? Races that are exotic? I want to "romance" them! Bioware, make it happen." It would be like being on the Twilight forums and sayin "We've seen vampire-human sex... but I want to see more vampire-werewolf pairings! That would be hot! Make it happen, author!"

That, to me, isn't celebrating characters the fans love, but has the vibe of being in a singles bar and picking out strangers to take home with you. Except... in pixelated, video game form. "I don't know you, but I want to 'love' you, baby."  

Also, to address an earlier comment... it doesn't boggle my mind that someone would play a Bioware/DA cameo my for the romances. I can understand the reasons why and the mindset that would appeal to. I can grasp the concept... it just scares me a little. A game where the player spends hours and hours in gameag elements that don't even involve Dialgoue just to obtain short dialogue scenes that involve flirting and fade to black scenes seems... well, I don't want to say unhealthy, but at least a little worrying.

I would say that if this is the only reason you are playing, it might be more productive to play another type of game. And I'm not referring to romance sim games. There are plenty of games out there that deal with human relationships and offer optional romances (for M/F and S/S options) that feature the interaction between characters as the primary point of the game, not as a side feature. For instance, the Persona games have combat, but the mechanic is much further relegated back than your average DA game, instead the player spends a vast majority of the time talking to other NPCs. If that's what you really like in a game, there could be other games out there that could be much more in line with the experience you are looking for... and yes, the series has S/S romance options in spades. 

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I admit it does sound a bit creepy that someone would play a 50 hour game for 1 hour of romance.

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Bionuts wrote...

I admit it does sound a bit creepy that someone would play a 50 hour game for 1 hour of romance.


That is not to say people can't enjoy the romances more than the rest of the game, or that they even might not play the game if there wasn't any romances. Again, not my cup of tea. But to say it is the ONLY reason? That just seems horribly inefficient. 

And asking that characters we haven't even met in game be made LI's just, again, reminds me of a sleazy singles bad scene. Going up to random characters you don't know and saying "What's up, pretty lady/man? You wanna have a good time tonight?"

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

I admit it does sound a bit creepy that someone would play a 50 hour game for 1 hour of romance.


That is not to say people can't enjoy the romances more than the rest of the game, or that they even might not play the game if there wasn't any romances. Again, not my cup of tea. But to say it is the ONLY reason? That just seems horribly inefficient. 

And asking that characters we haven't even met in game be made LI's just, again, reminds me of a sleazy singles bad scene. Going up to random characters you don't know and saying "What's up, pretty lady/man? You wanna have a good time tonight?"


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Fast Jimmy wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

I admit it does sound a bit creepy that someone would play a 50 hour game for 1 hour of romance.


That is not to say people can't enjoy the romances more than the rest of the game, or that they even might not play the game if there wasn't any romances. Again, not my cup of tea. But to say it is the ONLY reason? That just seems horribly inefficient. 

And asking that characters we haven't even met in game be made LI's just, again, reminds me of a sleazy singles bad scene. Going up to random characters you don't know and saying "What's up, pretty lady/man? You wanna have a good time tonight?"


I think it's mostly women in their 30s-40s.

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

But the BSN says "strangers we haven't even seen? Races that are exotic? I want to "romance" them! Bioware, make it happen." It would be like being on the Twilight forums and sayin "We've seen vampire-human sex... but I want to see more vampire-werewolf pairings! That would be hot! Make it happen, author!"


Can you honestly say that doesn't happen on those forums though?
I would imagine there will be people "suggesting" ideas for the author's next book all the time, or speculating what it will be.
I agree that playing the game just for the romance and the romance alone seems very silly to me - the first time I saw someone say it I immediately thought "What... why would someone want to do that?".
For me it's all about the whole "package", of which the romances are an enjoyable part, but just a part of the Bioware formula. ^_^

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

But the BSN says "strangers we haven't even seen? Races that are exotic? I want to "romance" them! Bioware, make it happen." It would be like being on the Twilight forums and sayin "We've seen vampire-human sex... but I want to see more vampire-werewolf pairings! That would be hot! Make it happen, author!"

* Can you honestly say that doesn't happen on those forums though?
I would imagine there will be people "suggesting" ideas for the author's next book all the time, or speculating what it will be.
I agree that playing the game just for the romance and the romance alone seems very silly to me - the first time I saw someone say it I immediately thought "What... why would someone want to do that?".
For me it's all about the whole "package", of which the romances are an enjoyable part, but just a part of the Bioware formula. ^_^



I, honestly, don't care to know what happens on the Twilight forums, nor do I neccessarily think any behavior found on there should be an example of forum etiquette across the Internet.

That being said, Twilight is a romance novel series. For its fans to ask for more romance doesn't seem like a far-fetched idea. Bioware games are not a romance video game. So it seems out of place that such a high levek of focus on romance exists here. 

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 27 septembre 2013 - 04:26 .


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Ha, you were the one who brought up the Twilight example to begin with, now you're saying it's not comparable at all when the table is turned?

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Fast Jimmy wrote...

I, honestly, don't care to know what happens on the Twilight forums, nor do I neccessarily think any behavior found on there should be an example of forum etiquette across the Internet.

That being said, Twilight is a romance novel series. For its fans to ask for more romance doesn't seem like a far-fetched idea. Bioware games are not a romance video game. So it seems out of place that such a high levek of focus on romance exists here. 


My point was simply that people are always going to be people, and some will always turn obsessive about a certain aspect of something that they like.
The "I want this romance, MAKE it happen!" crowd is a very small group of people at best - they just happen to stand out more because they're more memorable.
If you walk through a busy street and someone goes streaking by you, you're also going to be more likely to remember the naked idiot that ran by than you will the other people on that street. ^_^

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I don't know why people are so confident that there will only be 3-4 LIs in the game.

The game is still a year+ from completion.  For all we know, barring mabaris and golems and family members of your PC and whatnot, all of your companions will be romance-able.

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I don't know why people are so confident that there will only be 3-4 LIs in the game.


Writers said there wouldn't be more romance than in DAI/DAO that's why.

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azarhal wrote...

Shark17676 wrote...

I don't know why people are so confident that there will only be 3-4 LIs in the game.


Writers said there wouldn't be more romance than in DAI/DAO that's why.

Source please.

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If the game takes its cues from ME3, there could be non-companion romances available. It's a neat idea that I endorse.

Not counting ME2 relationships you have the option of continuing, ME3 had 5 companion romances and 2 non-companion ones. That's also not counting Diana Allers because... really.

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Bionuts wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

I admit it does sound a bit creepy that someone would play a 50 hour game for 1 hour of romance.


That is not to say people can't enjoy the romances more than the rest of the game, or that they even might not play the game if there wasn't any romances. Again, not my cup of tea. But to say it is the ONLY reason? That just seems horribly inefficient. 

And asking that characters we haven't even met in game be made LI's just, again, reminds me of a sleazy singles bad scene. Going up to random characters you don't know and saying "What's up, pretty lady/man? You wanna have a good time tonight?"


I think it's mostly women in their 30s-40s.


I think you would be surprised and find the group is composed of many people of all ages, orientations, and genders.  For every Cullen or Varric thread I see, I also see a "sexy Flemeth" or "can we romance Celene?" thread. 

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Mr Fixit wrote...

If the game takes its cues from ME3, there could be non-companion romances available. It's a neat idea that I endorse.

Not counting ME2 relationships you have the option of continuing, ME3 had 5 companion romances and 2 non-companion ones. That's also not counting Diana Allers because... really.


Definitely.
Maybe one of our Agents will be romanceable, or one of the major NPCs.

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I hope OP is wrong about Dorian having a romance similar to those of Leliana and Merrill. Dorian is the (possible) companion that I'm most interested in, and the one I will probably romance if possible. However, I didn't really enjoy Leliana's romance in DAO and even though I never romanced Merrill, which is the character in the DA universe I dislike the most, what I gathered from posts/videos/pictures about her romance made me cringe. I won't judge Dorian as a character or his possibly nonexistent romance before we know more about him, but I just don't want a romance like that of Merrill or Leliana.

Modifié par Get fired up, 27 septembre 2013 - 06:10 .


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Azaron Nightblade wrote...

Mr Fixit wrote...

If the game takes its cues from ME3, there could be non-companion romances available. It's a neat idea that I endorse.

Not counting ME2 relationships you have the option of continuing, ME3 had 5 companion romances and 2 non-companion ones. That's also not counting Diana Allers because... really.


Definitely.
Maybe one of our Agents will be romanceable, or one of the major NPCs.


It also fiddles with the format a bit. Instead of all possible romanceables following you around all the time, it'd be nifty if some are close to you only in certain situations/locations before circumstances put some distance between you again.

Actually, I'd like BioWare to give each romance a different structure. Until now they all followed pretty much the same pattern: you talk to your love interest every now and then, maybe do a little side quest at their behest, and then proceed together to the nearest available horizontal surface. Why not give each romance a decidedly unique treatment, with different peaks and valleys, ons and offs?

It's also interesting to note that in BioWare games romances peak and reach the end of their game content in the point where in reality they'd be just starting in earnest. In the games, the content ends with you and your LI deciding to go for it and "become an item". But why is that? Isn't that in truth only the beginning of a real relationship? I'd like to see BioWare follow up on "and they lived happily ever after". It's easy to fall in love and have a steamy sexy time. How you deal with what comes after is the big question.

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Azaron Nightblade wrote...
To be honest that isn't limited to the BSN, nor to Bioware games.
For every major franchise out there you're going to find entire forums full of talk about what romances should happen and similar stuff.
Twilight's whole "Team Edward and Team Jacob" would be one example of it, the anime series "Naruto" also has fan fictions about fans' favorite couples* beyond counting - and that's not even mentioning the obscene amounts of AMV's that people have posted on Youtube about their favorite couples.


* And by "couples" I mean characters that the fans feel should end up together, just like on the BSN they're also not limited to M/F romances.


 I just got back on and I was writing a response when I read past and Fast Jimmy pretty much nailed my point.  Like usual. ^5 FJ. <3

In regards to Naruto, it's like "Man, Hinata just needs to like, get into a romance with a Cloud Ninja!  I mean, she was kidnapped as a child and her uncle was killed over it, so she has resentment against them, and like, the Cloud Ninja could heal that and teach her that not all of Cloud are a bunch of kidnappers!" as opposed to "I really like Naruto and Hinata as characters and I think they do well with each other because he fills her with hope and he needs her unconditional love to heal the pain from his childhood."

One of the above uses established characters and has some viability depending on how the author plays it out, the other uses an established character and what is a world breaking premise.

What tends to go on here isn't an appreciation for a character, it's a want of a creature based entirely on what they are (Female Qunari LI).  :wizard: