One of the things the games gone over is how memories can be carried by the blood and its part of how you get the reaver class if you desecrate the ashes.
So question is; if you do so does that mean that Haven, the warden and the dragon would get Andrastes memories over time?
Desecrating Andrastes' Ashes and blood memories
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, sept. 25 2013 06:55
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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 02:56
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You get the Reaver class because you drank some ritually prepared blood that came from the still-beating heart of a wyvern, if I remember correctly.
Unless the wyvern was Andraste I don't think anyone's getting her memories.
Unless the wyvern was Andraste I don't think anyone's getting her memories.
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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 05:39
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True but since the blood they had you drink contained the villagers memories and could combine them with you ala kind of like how you can feel the darkspawn/archdemon I was wondering if putting that blood into the ashes would effectively join with it and the warden/cult/dragon.
See you get the Reaver class in that instance because it imparts memories of the cult and things they've learned unto you, not all of it but apparently at least "some" of it was going into you so I was wondering if a similar effect might happen with the blood that gets put into the ashes.
I mean it does seem to break whatever bond there is between the dragon and the mountain so it would seem to imply that its not simply blood and they did something to it as well.
See you get the Reaver class in that instance because it imparts memories of the cult and things they've learned unto you, not all of it but apparently at least "some" of it was going into you so I was wondering if a similar effect might happen with the blood that gets put into the ashes.
I mean it does seem to break whatever bond there is between the dragon and the mountain so it would seem to imply that its not simply blood and they did something to it as well.
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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 06:22
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Implying any other memories excepting the ones about training your skills into "reaving" are transmitted, it would probably create a bond with Andraste, the cult and the Warden.
But I think in order to share memories, some sort of ritual has to occur while both ends are still alive, meaning that pouring the blood on the ashes won't share any knowledge with dust from a long dead woman.
But I think in order to share memories, some sort of ritual has to occur while both ends are still alive, meaning that pouring the blood on the ashes won't share any knowledge with dust from a long dead woman.
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Posté 26 septembre 2013 - 10:52
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I guess that makes sense; the main thing I was thinking about was that...if it worked as I hypothesized, than ironically enough in a sense the Dragon they worship would become something like a reincarnated Andraste.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 02:59
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We don't really know what sort of ritual the cultists put the wyvern blood through before giving it to prospective Reavers.
I think it was supposed to be the dragon's blood that goes into the ashes though.
OTOH, DA:O might not have really differentiated between 'dragon' and 'wyvern', the latter not being an actual monster type until a DA2 DLC.
I think it was supposed to be the dragon's blood that goes into the ashes though.
OTOH, DA:O might not have really differentiated between 'dragon' and 'wyvern', the latter not being an actual monster type until a DA2 DLC.
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Posté 02 octobre 2013 - 01:08
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I think Dayze is proposing that the magically-treated dragon/wyvern blood is a spirit super-glue that binds together all that it touches: dragon, cultists, ashes of dead Andraste. After dead Andraste gets doused with blood, her memories could enter the gestalt.
I doubt it works that way, though. There seems to be a spirit component to all of this* - the way the blood magic lore reads, the blood forms a physical bridge that allows the spirit elements to connect. Dead things don't have spirits**, which is why demons like to possess them. Andraste's Ashes are probably spirit-inert***, and so they can't join any spirit-gestalt via a blood link.
*The darkspawn being a possible exception. Canonically spiritless (that's how the Archdemon body-hops into one without annihilating itself), they are yet members of the Taint Brigade. Maybe metaphysically, they just all share the spirit of the active Old God/Archdemon? Dunno.
**Ghosts - if they aren't just Fade spirits taking the form and attitude of particular mortal spirits they fancied - are spirits of the dead, but the point stands - their spirits are no longer in their bodies.
***I'm not sure the bond between Risen Dragon Andraste and Dead Ashes Andraste is anywhere but in Kolgrim's head, to explain why Risen Dragon Andraste hasn't gone out to conquer the world yet. If you believe that the Ashes are actually exerting some influence on the dragon, then maybe they're not so inert after all.
I doubt it works that way, though. There seems to be a spirit component to all of this* - the way the blood magic lore reads, the blood forms a physical bridge that allows the spirit elements to connect. Dead things don't have spirits**, which is why demons like to possess them. Andraste's Ashes are probably spirit-inert***, and so they can't join any spirit-gestalt via a blood link.
*The darkspawn being a possible exception. Canonically spiritless (that's how the Archdemon body-hops into one without annihilating itself), they are yet members of the Taint Brigade. Maybe metaphysically, they just all share the spirit of the active Old God/Archdemon? Dunno.
**Ghosts - if they aren't just Fade spirits taking the form and attitude of particular mortal spirits they fancied - are spirits of the dead, but the point stands - their spirits are no longer in their bodies.
***I'm not sure the bond between Risen Dragon Andraste and Dead Ashes Andraste is anywhere but in Kolgrim's head, to explain why Risen Dragon Andraste hasn't gone out to conquer the world yet. If you believe that the Ashes are actually exerting some influence on the dragon, then maybe they're not so inert after all.
