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[Vulpe]

They don't actually have an official name. The other races refer to them as "giants" or "ox-men". I think that the latest is the best way to avoid confusion when refering at the race. The BSN should really adopt this term, at least until we get a more clear one, to prevent further confusion and trolling.

[Navasha]

In the world of Thedas they are called Qunari, plain and simple. In our world, just call them oxmen, if you want to refer specifically to the race and not the religion. Everyone will know who you mean.

[Heidenreich]

This debate is still going? seriously there's like 4 threads on it. People who post here know what you mean when you're referring to the Qunari as a people vrs Followers of the Qun.

In fact would it really be that hard to just type "Followers of the Qun" if you're referring to the religion? Stop being lazy.

[Klaus-Maria Pfertsegentakl]

As Sten spoke about vashoth:
"Those are not Qunari"

[Heidenreich]

Klaus-Maria Pfertsegentakl wrote...

As Sten spoke about vashoth:
"Those are not Qunari"

Not to followers of the Qun, no.

but to normal every day thedoshians, all Qunari are big oxe men. They DO NOT GET THE DISTINCTION, which is the point.

THUS - the debate is silly. Qunari are Qunari unless otherwise specified by a Follower of the Qun. A non follower Qunari - such as a Tal-vashoth, will either just kill you before you get a chance to ask, or correct you with out any real insult to themselves, because OBV a basra such as yourself doesn't understand the finer points of their religion (or lack there of)

If you really take issue in calling the Qunari people Qunari, then call them what they are, Big Oxe Men. Trust me when I say, no one will misunderstand you.

[Neon Rising Winter]

How about instead of Qunari, kossinth or ox men, we call them the big horny guys? At least the arguments over ambiguity would be funnier.

[Chari]

Heidenreich wrote...

Klaus-Maria Pfertsegentakl wrote...

As Sten spoke about vashoth:
"Those are not Qunari"

Not to followers of the Qun, no.

but to normal every day thedoshians, all Qunari are big oxe men. They DO NOT GET THE DISTINCTION, which is the point.

THUS - the debate is silly. Qunari are Qunari unless otherwise specified by a Follower of the Qun. A non follower Qunari - such as a Tal-vashoth, will either just kill you before you get a chance to ask, or correct you with out any real insult to themselves, because OBV a basra such as yourself doesn't understand the finer points of their religion (or lack there of)

If you really take issue in calling the Qunari people Qunari, then call them what they are, Big Oxe Men. Trust me when I say, no one will misunderstand you.

What if I want to discuss the race, not specifically qun followers or vashoths. Just the biological kossiths. And what if I want to use the correct term since calling a kossith qunari or vashoth would be inapproriate because we do not know if they are. 
After all a qunari is literally "a person of Qun". Not a race.
Yes, as a linguist in training I find it irritating 

[Amirit]

I suspect here is the whole mystery: the Iron Bull - our future companion - was supposed to tell to our Inquisitor about racial name. (Hell, he could even have some kind of personal mission of uniting other ex-qun (probably born out of the qun) under an ancient name - kossith.)
So, in BW studio they call those ox-men Kossith for sometime already because of that - this is why Mike Laidlaw automatically responded to the question. However players were supposed to learn about Kossith during the game, and this is why David Gaider said "You are killing me here, Mike" and Joseph Madison answered "Gaider's like the network lawyer that keeps the actors from spoiling secrets of new shows ;)"

Simple matter of spoilers but they are indeed Kossith

Modifié par Amirit, 26 septembre 2013 - 11:33 .

[Potato Cat]

Why the hell can't they just be? No? Fine.

I say qunari. I use qunari referring to the race, and Qunari as the follower of the Qun, or when both is true. (Emphasis on the capital letters or lack of if you're confused)

[legbamel]

I think that's an excellent solution. The only time I've evee seen someone try to disciss. The race as a whole is in threads like this where thry're arguing about what to call them and then use the desire to talk about the race as a whole, regardles of beliefs, as one of their reasons for diliking the name qunari. To the Qunari there is no "race", just Qunari and non-Qunari (or perhaps not-yet-Qunari). If they define their racial identity as such why would we insist on an extraneous name rather than extablishing context as necessary?

[Chala]

Let's call them "Grey ones" after all, these guys are just a bunch of big grey aliens (They are not from Thedas).

[DarthSliver]

What about since races are suppose have different outcomes maybe special set of missions for each race where the Qunari character would get to find historical information on what his race was once called and can than choose to try and reestablish that name for his people. Having a unique set of missions bound to the race you choose to play would give replay-ability of DA:I

That is the only solution I can think of that would give a middle ground to whether they should be called Qunari or Kossith

Modifié par DarthSliver, 26 septembre 2013 - 05:26 .

[Klaus-Maria Pfertsegentakl]

I just would have liked in the race selection window was not written Qunari (dreams, dreams), but real race name. As a species.

[Star fury]

Introducing tal-vashoth, non-qunari who can be qunari and other bull**** in DA2 was a bad idea. Not surprising it was all done in DA2.

[Rylor Tormtor]

Yaaaaa for otaku culture. There is no need for this discussion to really be occurring. Those who are pretending to be confused are being willfully obtuse to start an argument or prove how smart they really are.

I bet Gaider is hunting down whoever first leaked the word kossith and doing unspeakable things to them. In the comfy chair.

[sky_captain]

Narrow Margin wrote...

How about instead of Qunari, kossinth or ox men, we call them the big horny guys? At least the arguments over ambiguity would be funnier.

Then we would have people crying because calling them big horny guys is sexist, then the self-righteous brigade would come out and ruin the fun once more.

[sandalisthemaker]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Yesssss.
Thank god.

[Han Shot First]

Qunari is an ethnoreligious term. Like the word Jewish it can be used either to refer to an ethnic or a religious group, and which depends on the context.

Kossith is apparently an archaic name for the race of Oxmen. From what I understand it would be a bit like calling a modern Frenchman a Gaul.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 septembre 2013 - 01:13 .

[Klaus-Maria Pfertsegentakl]

Han Shot First wrote...

Qunari is an ethnoreligious term. Like the word Jewish it can be used either to refer to an ethnic or a religious group, and which depends on the context.

Kossith is apparently an archaic name for the race of Oxmen. From what I understand it would be a bit like calling a modern Frenchman a Gaul.

Not to be confused race with nationality. As I have written here, we do not call all the humans - the Jews. And the Frenchman is not a separate species, is a nationality.

Faerunner wrote...

Nah, using the same name for the race
and the culture interchangeably (sometimes meaning the culture only,
sometimes the race only, sometimes both) is way too confusing, so of
course we should keep it just as it is.

Yes!

[Han Shot First]

Klaus-Maria Pfertsegentakl wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Qunari is an ethnoreligious term. Like the word Jewish it can be used either to refer to an ethnic or a religious group, and which depends on the context.

Kossith is apparently an archaic name for the race of Oxmen. From what I understand it would be a bit like calling a modern Frenchman a Gaul.

Not to be confused race with nationality. As I have written here, we do not call all the humans - the Jews. And the Frenchman is not a separate species, is a nationality.

I used the term 'ethnic group,' which is not the same thing as either race or nationality. An ethnic group is a group of people with a shared cultural or ethnic heritage, who may or may not have the same nationality.

And Qunari is an ethnoreligious term, just like the word Jewish. It can refer to either an ethnic or a religious group and which depends on the context in which the word is used.

[Former_Fiend]

While I've taken to using qunari(lowercase) as a racial name, I think "giants" is a better term than "oxmen". Oxmen seems mostly used as a racial slur.

[Nefla]

It's my understanding that Qunari is like Jew. They can be either the ethnicity, the religion, or both.