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[Anarchy__]

I noticed this in Me3 (and the other 2), that Shephard can be total ass to his squadmates, but they don't seem to react "appropiately". It seems being renegade has no difference to how other characters act and feel towards shephard then if you were being paragon. Seemed like a immersion-breaking design flaw that plagued the whole trilogy.

edit: Also, I can't remember specific examples, but I'm pretty sure you guys/girls also noticed it

Modifié par Anarchy__, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:06 .

[Remix-General Aetius]

while I'm generally leaning towards renegade, one thing I simply saw no call for was Shepard barking at Liara in ME1 after either Feros or Noveria "nobody tells me what to do on my ship" (or something along those lines), when I actually thought the barking was gonna be directed towards Ashley who shoots down Liara's input.

I got annoyed at Ashley for sticking her big nose in the galactic discussion and chose the renegade response, yet Liara was the one that got burned lol. I really did not get that.

Modifié par TheGarden2010, 26 septembre 2013 - 08:13 .

[Anarchy__]

StreetMagic wrote...

It depends on the character. Some are bigger welcoming mats than others. Jack and Grunt react differently enough in ME2. They have their own smart comebacks at least. They don't simply "take it". Joker doesn't take a lot of crap either. He knows who's in command, but he's his own person.

The relations aren't "dynamic", Shephard can be a total ass but in the end all squadmates will feel the same towards him as if he was paragon

[KaiserShep]

I can't imagine a whole lot of discord being able to be realistically written into the character dynamic, because there's so much variation that would be involved. Like, if you're not particularly kind to a more emotional or erratic character, how should this character react? Among the hodgepodge of the wild bunch Shepard shops for in ME2, I imagine at least one of them, realistically, would just ditch the whole mission and storm off the ship the next time the Normandy docks (which would be kind of funny). The biggest candidate for this kind of response would be Jack, who doesn't really give a crap about a whole lot anyway. I mean, look at her request to get info on Cerberus. If you deny it, I can't imagine why this character would stick around, but she does.

[KaiserShep]

How renegade do you have to be in order to get her to say that?

[Zazzerka]

When does it happen? Before or after her LM? I've never seen it, but that might be because my Renegade is a lolrenegade and picked Morinth.

[andy6915]

StreetMagic wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

How renegade do you have to be in order to get her to say that?

Not sure. It seems to happen everytime I play though. It's kind of an "awkward moment".

It's the one and only thing that makes renegades picking Morinth logical. Morinth won't directly try to kill you and will only be a threat if Shepard doesn't have a romance or loses porn and can't think with anything but the genitals, so she's a threat but only if you let her be. Samara though outright says she will try to kill you, and she will use far more direct methods like biotics and guns. So who do you choose, the one who will try to kill you by attacking or the one will only try to kill you through means that would require epic amounts of stupid? Logically, you should take the one who didn't say they will hunt you down.

[KaiserShep]

I find the best way to deal with Morinth, if you take her on the Normandy, is to have Jacob do the biotic bubble, and use her and Miranda as your squad. She'll just get taken out by the seeker swarm, and her purpose is fulfilled.

[andy6915]

Maybe there was a loophole in the code that made her realize even renegade Shepard is good and just somehow.

[cap and gown]

StreetMagic wrote...

It depends on the character. Some let you walk over them more than others. Jack and Grunt react differently enough in ME2. They have their own smart comebacks at least. They don't simply "take it". Joker doesn't take a lot of crap either. He knows who's in command, but he's his own person.

Jack has "eff you" comebacks no matter if you are paragon or renegade. I am currently romancing Jack and let me tell you, it has to be the hardest romance in the game. It takes forever to get anywhere, like 5 or 6 convo's, and each time she tells you "eff off" at the end. So I don't think Jack counts.

Grunt is just weird. I find his dialogue almost incomprehensible. It seems to be filled with non-sequitors. And the only time I have seen real "push back" from him was from a paragon dialogue option.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'll tell you this, if I was writing there would have been two types of renegades. Renegade, and Renegade AH. Renegades wouldn't be punished. Renegade AH would be punished. Team mates might leave if treated poorly enough. You would get replacements of generic named marines. There may even be another hero you'd start hearing about on the news who had his own ship and you might even hear about him with your former squad mates gathering allies and winning battles against the reapers. Someone like a real hero... like Conrad Verner. See his picture on the news after helping the Turians liberate blah blah blah. Your war assets start dwindling, but you see Conrad's growing. He's the consumate paragon. His teeth even sparkle. EDI may tell you she'd leave but can't.... at the moment.

[KaiserShep]

lol I'd pay to get that option.

[elrofrost]

knucks360 wrote...

Renegade Shepard in ME3 isn't an "ass" he's pure evil,but you're right,it's like he can do very atrocious things,and doesn't have to answer for them,and your squad acts like it's completely ok.

Actually that's not complety true. Samara, for example, will comment on it. Of course she doesn't do anything. Now that would be cool. if she actually challenged you. Though I like Samara so much it would break my heart to kill her. And of course, like most of the ME2 she gets little time on ME3. Sadly.

I mena, keep Liara and Ash. Give me more Samara, and Jack.

Also the dialog is different. Especially in some of the side quest on the Citadel.

But other than that.. not you can be a douche and still be the hero everyone loves.

By the way, Ashley needs to be smacked around. BADLY.

Modifié par elrofrost, 26 septembre 2013 - 10:12 .

[KaiserShep]

She'd like it. "Harder, skipper!"

[Wulfram]

IIRC Liara says she didn't always agree with you in the beacon scene if you're renegade.  Though she still thinks Shepard is awesome of course.

KaiserShep wrote...

How renegade do you have to be in order to get her to say that?

Not very.  I got it with a character who got the paragon option to solve the Tali/Legion fight and not the renegade option.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

ME3 doesn't let me be an ass (or enough of one) to all the people I want to be an ass too. I do feel as though the writers were conscientiously limiting the RP for a renegade or less-than-paragon for the sake of telling the story they wanted to tell.

[Bleachrude]

Interesting...

The OP thinks ME3 allowed us to be too renegade while MassivelyEffecti thinks ME3 limited renegade responses..

Personally, I was stunned to see an authority figure (Victus) actually remind Shepard exactly who the hell he was talking to.

coming from the previous games where you can be a total dick to authority figures, I was surprised.